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it's bad enough when someone doesn't do the job they are meant to...but when that involves someone's life at stake.....quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:
tis very very sad
my mum had a suspected heart attack and the first response paramedic was great, even though it turned out to be a massive stroke so she didn't have much hope and died the next day...i am grateful to the paramedic (and the ones who turned up later) for trying their best and talking to her before she went into a coma.
this case is a rarity, hence why it is news, just makes me mad that this woman didn't even bloody try and made stupid lame excuses
quote:Originally posted by Pengy:
Sounds to me like this is a health and safety case - the fact that it was in a pub suggests that the paramedic wasn't going in unaccompanied which begs the question, why was she sent in the first place? I appreciate that she has her own safety to think of but it's not as if it was a pub with for instance, lots of football fans.
Are we gonna get to the stage where all fast response/paramedics will only attend call outs when the police accompany them?
I have great respect for fast response units btw as they saved my life when I had a bad asthma attack.
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:
The paramedic has a right to safety herself and if she didn't feel safe going into that pub alone there must be a reason!!
At the end of the day none of us were there and we only have the story from the family right now who are incredibly upeset and grieving - until we have both sides i don't really think we should judge!!
i have to agree, ambulance crews are threatened with violence daily and one woman on her own could be very vunerable, she had no idea what she was going to walk into.quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:
The paramedic has a right to safety herself and if she didn't feel safe going into that pub alone there must be a reason!!
At the end of the day none of us were there and we only have the story from the family right now who are incredibly upeset and grieving - until we have both sides i don't really think we should judge!!
quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:
One should always have one's heart attacks in the florists.
quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
I have a very different view to many on this thread. I rely on Patient Transport Ambulances to take me to and from hospital 3 days a week and see a variety of drivers. They aren't as trained as paramedics, but they are trained in first aid and CPR.
Some of the drivers refuse to work on Saturdays, even though there are patients needing treatment on Saturdays. Some of the drivers refuse to work overtime, AT ALL.
All of them are employed by the NHS. They KNEW what the job entailed before signing up. People do not need treatment only between the hours of 9 to 5, and not always are they in a location that is "appropriate".
quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
I have a very different view to many on this thread. I rely on Patient Transport Ambulances to take me to and from hospital 3 days a week and see a variety of drivers. They aren't as trained as paramedics, but they are trained in first aid and CPR.
Some of the drivers refuse to work on Saturdays, even though there are patients needing treatment on Saturdays. Some of the drivers refuse to work overtime, AT ALL.
All of them are employed by the NHS. They KNEW what the job entailed before signing up. People do not need treatment only between the hours of 9 to 5, and not always are they in a location that is "appropriate".
he is due to reapply soon. it's the sort of job you'd apply to do cos you want to, rather than just a job. so they are probably employing the wrong people quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:
The paramedic has a right to safety herself and if she didn't feel safe going into that pub alone there must be a reason!!
At the end of the day none of us were there and we only have the story from the family right now who are incredibly upeset and grieving - until we have both sides i don't really think we should judge!!
many people, who are not trained or get paid, save the lives of people in danger...despite a major danger to their own wellbeing. and most people who haven't done that yet...probably would.
this paramedic was trained and was getting paid for it...yeah i understand she had her own safety to worry about, but it's not like diving inot a river after a child when you can't swim, or knocking someone out the way of a moving vehicle...it was walking into a pub to see to a woman who had a heart atack. if the atmosphere was intense it was probably due to a woman lying there dying!!!
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:
The paramedic has a right to safety herself and if she didn't feel safe going into that pub alone there must be a reason!!
At the end of the day none of us were there and we only have the story from the family right now who are incredibly upeset and grieving - until we have both sides i don't really think we should judge!!
many people, who are not trained or get paid, save the lives of people in danger...despite a major danger to their own wellbeing. and most people who haven't done that yet...probably would.
this paramedic was trained and was getting paid for it...yeah i understand she had her own safety to worry about, but it's not like diving inot a river after a child when you can't swim, or knocking someone out the way of a moving vehicle...it was walking into a pub to see to a woman who had a heart atack. if the atmosphere was intense it was probably due to a woman lying there dying!!!
how can you judge - you don't know the pub and you only have one side of the story - you have absolutely no idea of the dangers she may have faced going into that pub alone - no idea whatsoever!!
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:
how can you judge - you don't know the pub and you only have one side of the story - you have absolutely no idea of the dangers she may have faced going into that pub alone - no idea whatsoever!!
quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:
The paramedic has a right to safety herself and if she didn't feel safe going into that pub alone there must be a reason!!
At the end of the day none of us were there and we only have the story from the family right now who are incredibly upeset and grieving - until we have both sides i don't really think we should judge!!
many people, who are not trained or get paid, save the lives of people in danger...despite a major danger to their own wellbeing. and most people who haven't done that yet...probably would.
this paramedic was trained and was getting paid for it...yeah i understand she had her own safety to worry about, but it's not like diving inot a river after a child when you can't swim, or knocking someone out the way of a moving vehicle...it was walking into a pub to see to a woman who had a heart atack. if the atmosphere was intense it was probably due to a woman lying there dying!!!
how can you judge - you don't know the pub and you only have one side of the story - you have absolutely no idea of the dangers she may have faced going into that pub alone - no idea whatsoever!!
Nor do you know what sort of pub it was, nor do you know the full story. You are, however, attacking other people's opinions.
She was paid to do a job. She refused to do the job. She is paid to face those type of "dangers" everyday.
quote:Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
Well, who knows what the full story is, though most people who go into professions like that do it as a vocation and not a 9-5 job...well, at least the people who i know who've gone into the Emergency Services etc do!
Who knows if she would've saved her life, however, I hope she can live with herself for not doing the job she was sent to do!
quote:Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
Well, who knows what the full story is, though most people who go into professions like that do it as a vocation and not a 9-5 job...well, at least the people who i know who've gone into the Emergency Services etc do!
Who knows if she would've saved her life, however, I hope she can live with herself for not doing the job she was sent to do!
quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
I find your use of !! at the end of every sentence to be judgemental, but that is MY opinion.
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
Well, who knows what the full story is, though most people who go into professions like that do it as a vocation and not a 9-5 job...well, at least the people who i know who've gone into the Emergency Services etc do!
Who knows if she would've saved her life, however, I hope she can live with herself for not doing the job she was sent to do!
she has a right to remain safe though and if the case is that she felt her safety would be jepordised she has the right to wait for back up - at the end of the day she most probably has a family at home and may even have children who she needs to look after!! Like I say we don't really know what exactly happened at the minute and so based on that we should not be judging her!!
quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:quote:Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
Well, who knows what the full story is, though most people who go into professions like that do it as a vocation and not a 9-5 job...well, at least the people who i know who've gone into the Emergency Services etc do!
Who knows if she would've saved her life, however, I hope she can live with herself for not doing the job she was sent to do!
Not only sent to do, but paid to do - by the taxpayers.
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
I find your use of !! at the end of every sentence to be judgemental, but that is MY opinion.
Please - this conversation is for adults - chilidish comment should be left in the playground - seriusly with that comment you really have just embarassed yourself!!!
quote:Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
Well, who knows what the full story is, though most people who go into professions like that do it as a vocation and not a 9-5 job...well, at least the people who i know who've gone into the Emergency Services etc do!
Who knows if she would've saved her life, however, I hope she can live with herself for not doing the job she was sent to do!
she has a right to remain safe though and if the case is that she felt her safety would be jepordised she has the right to wait for back up - at the end of the day she most probably has a family at home and may even have children who she needs to look after!! Like I say we don't really know what exactly happened at the minute and so based on that we should not be judging her!!
Whatever the story, why send a lone Woman if she wasn't able to do the job at hand? Maybe the blame should fall higher up, not just on her shoulders!
quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
Well, who knows what the full story is, though most people who go into professions like that do it as a vocation and not a 9-5 job...well, at least the people who i know who've gone into the Emergency Services etc do!
Who knows if she would've saved her life, however, I hope she can live with herself for not doing the job she was sent to do!
she has a right to remain safe though and if the case is that she felt her safety would be jepordised she has the right to wait for back up - at the end of the day she most probably has a family at home and may even have children who she needs to look after!! Like I say we don't really know what exactly happened at the minute and so based on that we should not be judging her!!
quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
I find your use of !! at the end of every sentence to be judgemental, but that is MY opinion.
Please - this conversation is for adults - chilidish comment should be left in the playground - seriusly with that comment you really have just embarassed yourself!!!
Oh wow - three that time. Don't bother to respond, I am putting you on ignore with the the other wind up merchants.
quote:Originally posted by PinkBabe1966:quote:Originally posted by Pretty_P:quote:Originally posted by The Devil In Diamante:
Well, who knows what the full story is, though most people who go into professions like that do it as a vocation and not a 9-5 job...well, at least the people who i know who've gone into the Emergency Services etc do!
Who knows if she would've saved her life, however, I hope she can live with herself for not doing the job she was sent to do!
she has a right to remain safe though and if the case is that she felt her safety would be jepordised she has the right to wait for back up - at the end of the day she most probably has a family at home and may even have children who she needs to look after!! Like I say we don't really know what exactly happened at the minute and so based on that we should not be judging her!!
Does that explain why she turned up at the wrong pub first and after all she would have been advised re her control, what the problem was and also if it was a rough pub in a rough area, I would imagine control room operators would also advise police were attending and she could make a choice from there.
It seems to me she made some very wrong judgements and a person lost her life because of these judgements.
quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:
I wanted to be a Firefighter, but was told that I couldn't just do the kitten rescues.
