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Its shocking that they let this story out before even investigating and before the race.
Poor cow...how must she feel?
she isn't, they have printed a hotline number to someone who has seen her in the shower couldn't believe that had been printed in a newspaper!
couldn't believe that had been printed in a newspaper!
I think it was her muscular development, the narrowness of her figure, a deep voice and a masculine look that got people wondering 
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Apparently she may have a condition called mosaicosis I think its called. A mixture of X and Y chromosomes. Literally half-man, half woman. either way as its a natural condition I reckon he/she shouldnt be emm... penalised 
I remember the TV series...The XYY Man
quote:Originally posted by Butter$:
Apparently she may have a condition called mosaicosis I think its called. A mixture of X and Y chromosomes. Literally half-man, half woman. either way as its a natural condition I reckon he/she shouldnt be emm... penalised
She doesn't have male genitalia so she is a woman I assume.
Yup, its all she 'down there' but the other features as mentioned above are present also. Felt really sorry for her when she was doing her lap of honour as people werent sure whether to applaud or not., poor thing.
quote:Originally posted by Butter$:
Yup, its all she 'down there' but the other features as mentioned above are present also. Felt really sorry for her when she was doing her lap of honour as people werent sure whether to applaud or not., poor thing.
I'm wondering if she knew she has this condition? She's so very young and it may have come as a shock to her.
Couldn't they have at least waited until she had run?
Im sure growing up in S.A. you'd be well aware there were things amiss. She probably got a roasting growing up from her 'buddies'. What a pity.
He/she is getting a gender verification test which involves a gynaecologist, psychologist, geneticist and endocrinologist verifying whether her birth certificate is right in declaring her female.
I think Jamie Lee Curtis had similar confusions at her birth. I don't think she is able to bear children as she has no womb etc. Just what I heard and I could be wrong. I think when there is confusion there can be minor surgery and the parents told to raise the child as a girl. Don't all shout at once, just what I was told.
It's all a bit distasteful, isn't it? 
Just a thought though, as an international athlete she will have been subjected to random drug testing and were she a bloke I would have thought that the levels of testosterone would have been a bit of a clue.
I think there's a clue in Semenya's surname
quote:Originally posted by DanceSettee:
I think there's a clue in Semenya's surname
She should change it to Sugar.
quote:Originally posted by DanceSettee:
I think there's a clue in Semenya's surname
Feel really sorry for her as she must be mortified at all this attention if in fact she is female. Your quip made me laugh though!
quote:Is the winner of the women's 800m a geezer?
Well, you could have worded that a lot better...
I do feel sorry for Ms Semenya; she's getting an awful lot of unwanted attention over this from the media.
It's certainly possible that she may have an intersex condition; but it's also possible that she may just be built that way. A lot of women from the African tribes have what could be decribed as a masculine build; and the intense training she would have undertaken would certainly exaggerate that. Personally, I think that's a far more likely explanation, but I suppose we'll have to wait for the results of the IAAF 'gender test' (which, incidentally, aren't foolproof; in the 1992 Olympics, 5 women out of the 2500 tested failed to produce an unambiguous 'female' result, and in the 1996 games, that number went up to 8...and all of them were subsequently shown to be unquestionably female).
Incidentally,
Maria Mutola was not the most feminine but I don't recall her being subject to all this old tosh.
Poor lady, she must feel horrible.
quote:Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
Maria Mutola was not the most feminine but I don't recall her being subject to all this old tosh.
Remember back in the 70's Croc (or are you too young?). Kratochvilova (sp) was very masculine and no one said anything about it in the papers - but of course it was commented on by the Gen Public.
Nowadays, they presume, print and then go and research.
They have done this very untastefully.
You would think and international governing body would be able to handle this in the best possible way, today I saw on tv that the South African body hadn't even recieved a LETTER for the tests, they all heard by hearsay and such.
If it comes back that she is a female unquestionably, or she has a slight hormonal imbalance I really hope they grovel so hard, she's only 18 and if that was me I really do not know what I would do, that is horrible.
You would think and international governing body would be able to handle this in the best possible way, today I saw on tv that the South African body hadn't even recieved a LETTER for the tests, they all heard by hearsay and such.
If it comes back that she is a female unquestionably, or she has a slight hormonal imbalance I really hope they grovel so hard, she's only 18 and if that was me I really do not know what I would do, that is horrible.
quote:Originally posted by Sarum:quote:Is the winner of the women's 800m a geezer?
Well, you could have worded that a lot better...
I do feel sorry for Ms Semenya; she's getting an awful lot of unwanted attention over this from the media.
It's certainly possible that she may have an intersex condition; but it's also possible that she may just be built that way. A lot of women from the African tribes have what could be decribed as a masculine build; and the intense training she would have undertaken would certainly exaggerate that. Personally, I think that's a far more likely explanation, but I suppose we'll have to wait for the results of the IAAF 'gender test' (which, incidentally, aren't foolproof; in the 1992 Olympics, 5 women out of the 2500 tested failed to produce an unambiguous 'female' result, and in the 1996 games, that number went up to 8...and all of them were subsequently shown to be unquestionably female).
Incidentally,
I don't agree with African women having a masculine built, I lived in Nigeria for a long time and practically all the woman there were just that, all woman. Having said that, I think this story is horrible for this girl. I can't conceive of a scenario whereby they would let her compete as a girl when in fact she's not. Just nonsense.
quote:Originally posted by ~Cosmopolitan~:quote:Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
Maria Mutola was not the most feminine but I don't recall her being subject to all this old tosh.
Remember back in the 70's Croc (or are you too young?). Kratochvilova (sp) was very masculine and no one said anything about it in the papers - but of course it was commented on by the Gen Public.
Nowadays, they presume, print and then go and research.
Yeah I remember her...they did mention her earlier....built like a brick outhouse!
quote:Originally posted by Butter$:
Apparently she may have a condition called mosaicosis I think its called. A mixture of X and Y chromosomes. Literally half-man, half woman. either way as its a natural condition I reckon he/she shouldnt be emm... penalised
does that mean she can enter both male and female events.
quote:Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:quote:Originally posted by ~Cosmopolitan~:quote:Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:
Maria Mutola was not the most feminine but I don't recall her being subject to all this old tosh.
Remember back in the 70's Croc (or are you too young?). Kratochvilova (sp) was very masculine and no one said anything about it in the papers - but of course it was commented on by the Gen Public.
Nowadays, they presume, print and then go and research.
Yeah I remember her...they did mention her earlier....built like a brick outhouse!
That's the one. And a jaw to rival Desperate Dan.
quote:Originally posted by mozart:quote:Originally posted by Butter$:
Apparently she may have a condition called mosaicosis I think its called. A mixture of X and Y chromosomes. Literally half-man, half woman. either way as its a natural condition I reckon he/she shouldnt be emm... penalised
does that mean she can enter both male and female events.
But thats the thing isn't it, if she chooses to live as a woman, and is half woman and can't help that, then she should be able to run as a woman, unless they start up a complete catergory for hermaphrodites and hormone imbalanced people
quote:Originally posted by mozart:quote:Originally posted by Butter$:
Apparently she may have a condition called mosaicosis I think its called. A mixture of X and Y chromosomes. Literally half-man, half woman. either way as its a natural condition I reckon he/she shouldnt be emm... penalised
does that mean she can enter both male and female events.
She is nowhere near good enough to compete as a bloke in any case.
Jarmila Kratochvilova
quote:Originally posted by Pip*:quote:Originally posted by mozart:quote:Originally posted by Butter$:
Apparently she may have a condition called mosaicosis I think its called. A mixture of X and Y chromosomes. Literally half-man, half woman. either way as its a natural condition I reckon he/she shouldnt be emm... penalised
does that mean she can enter both male and female events.
But thats the thing isn't it, if she chooses to live as a woman, and is half woman and can't help that, then she should be able to run as a woman, unless they start up a complete catergory for hermaphrodites and hormone imbalanced people
so nothing is proven one way or another then, if the events organisers let her run in a womens race, they obviously thought her to be a woman. so who made the allegations that she was a man. If its all false information then she should sue for damages or defamation surely.
quote:Jarmila Kratochvilova
And her world record still stands....funnily enough in the 800m...they all seem to be 800m runners...maybe its the nature of the event that attracts the build of these ladies who are too heavy set to be out and out sprinters and too heavy also for longer distances....horses for courses.
reminds me of a futurama episode where bender (the robot) had a sex change to get into the female olympics
on a serious note though how bloody awful for her to have this sort of coverage debating whether she is male or female
on a serious note though how bloody awful for her to have this sort of coverage debating whether she is male or female
quote:Originally posted by Darthhoob:
reminds me of a futurama episode where bender (the robot) had a sex change to get into the female olympics
on a serious note though how bloody awful for her to have this sort of coverage debating whether she is male or female
It would be easier for an older person to take but she's 18 and barely out of a small village in South Africa !
quote:Originally posted by mozart:
so nothing is proven one way or another then, if the events organisers let her run in a womens race, they obviously thought her to be a woman. so who made the allegations that she was a man. If its all false information then she should sue for damages or defamation surely.
IAAF.
I would make them pay, oh boy would I make them pay, it's the most embarrassing allegation
quote:Originally posted by cologne1:
I don't agree with African women having a masculine built, I lived in Nigeria for a long time and practically all the woman there were just that, all woman. Having said that, I think this story is horrible for this girl. I can't conceive of a scenario whereby they would let her compete as a girl when in fact she's not. Just nonsense.
True, but there are tribes, particularly in the South, where a tall, lean, and muscular build is not uncommon.
It's still no excuse for the rather shabby treatment she's been getting; whatever happened to "innocent until proved guilty"?
quote:Originally posted by Sarum:quote:Originally posted by cologne1:
I don't agree with African women having a masculine built, I lived in Nigeria for a long time and practically all the woman there were just that, all woman. Having said that, I think this story is horrible for this girl. I can't conceive of a scenario whereby they would let her compete as a girl when in fact she's not. Just nonsense.
True, but there are tribes, particularly in the South, where a tall, lean, and muscular build is not uncommon.
It's still no excuse for the rather shabby treatment she's been getting; whatever happened to "innocent until proved guilty"?
The Kenyan's tend to be very slim; they're fantastic athletes.
And I agree, it's shabby treatment. But of course, this won't stop the greasy-pole climbing hacks. All they think of is their own notoriety in breaking the "news".
It could make you weep.