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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
I have loved all housemates but I have seen some semi-racist written about some of the black housemates and I felt I had to defend them...

I can understand that it may be different for you pretty~cocoa~eyes if you have experienced any dislike to people based on skin colour, but I find it quite divisive to 'see' people's colour as paramount. I tend to 'see' the whole person and not just whether they are a black or a white person, if you see what I mean.

I have been known to look at Starsigns of HMs and felt pleased when I knew a person of the same starsign as me was in the house....and strangely disappointed when they turned out to be plonkers.....and strangely proud when they turned out to be popular ......

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

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Originally posted by Girlrider29:

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Originally posted by electric6:
I can sort of relate.

I'm white, but I am a walking stick user due to a genetic condition...when I heard about Pete, Mikey, Darnell etc...I did think "oooh great, I wonder how this pans out/how the forumers react/how they are as HMs/ how the public reacts/how will they be/will they challenge preconceptions and stereotypes"

I don't actually favour HMs with disabilities, nor will I blindy defend them...but I do like to see them in the house NO MATTER WHAT they are like...because to me...the more often minorities are on the telly the more "normal" it becomes. The more we see, the less of an issue it is.

And that's what we all want eventually, isn't it? So that eventually no one cares and just judges the HMs for their personalities and the Black/Asian/Gay/Tourettes/Albinsim/Blind/Disabled or whatever...becomes a non issue.

I may have the wrong end of the stick, apologies if I have (I've had a few voddies)

Yes - I think this is absolutely true and can relate. Having said - I wanted to feed Alex (from last year) to the dogs. I actually couldn't watch it while she was on To say she made my blood boil would be a complete understatement. But yes, I think you have that right.

when i watched alex, i came to the conclusion she was pretty unlikeable,regardless of colour, did the fact that she was black make you more aware of how she came across, sort of letting the side down?
because being white and male, when i see yobs about, being yobs, that's how i feel

Yes JacksonB! I felt utterly disgraced!

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Originally posted by Roxi:
There does seem to be more coloured people in this series than from other series. I am not being racist by saying this. Just pointing it out

I don't think that's actually a very acceptable term to use nowadays

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Kaytee:
I liked Makosi because I found her entertaining...until the pool episode, but the Tickle was my favourite HM of all time. On the other hand I couldn't stand Alex, Victor or Science.
I disliked Mikey,not because he was blind, but because he gave me the creeps (I have eye problems too). Of the other HMs I voted for Nadia to win and Sakia and Maxwell to be evicted.

I don't see colour, disability or sexual orientation, just people who I either like or dislike whatever

Oh yes me too, its not the thing I most notice about people, the colour of their skin, more likely to notice their hair or dress sense or whatever.

Now you're talking Squiggs Michelle Bass and her Croydon Facelift and Lisa's clothes(EEEEEEK!)

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
I have loved all housemates but I have seen some semi-racist written about some of the black housemates and I felt I had to defend them...

I can understand that it may be different for you pretty~cocoa~eyes if you have experienced any dislike to people based on skin colour, but I find it quite divisive to 'see' people's colour as paramount. I tend to 'see' the whole person and not just whether they are a black or a white person, if you see what I mean.

Eh ? I see housemates not colour but somethings that some FMers write can be painful and almost a reminder of what goes on in the real world so I feel I have to defend them...

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
I have loved all housemates but I have seen some semi-racist written about some of the black housemates and I felt I had to defend them...

Well if that's a pic of you in your av...you're a stunner

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
Eh ? I see housemates not colour but somethings that some FMers write can be painful and almost a reminder of what goes on in the real world so I feel I have to defend them...

I was not meaning to suggest that you only see colour and not housemates but just trying to say that I don't tend to notice a person's colour as one of the first things I notice about them.

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Originally posted by Kaytee:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Kaytee:
I liked Makosi because I found her entertaining...until the pool episode, but the Tickle was my favourite HM of all time. On the other hand I couldn't stand Alex, Victor or Science.
I disliked Mikey,not because he was blind, but because he gave me the creeps (I have eye problems too). Of the other HMs I voted for Nadia to win and Sakia and Maxwell to be evicted.

I don't see colour, disability or sexual orientation, just people who I either like or dislike whatever

Oh yes me too, its not the thing I most notice about people, the colour of their skin, more likely to notice their hair or dress sense or whatever.

Now you're talking Squiggs Michelle Bass and her Croydon Facelift and Lisa's clothes(EEEEEEK!)

Now here I have to contradict myself because I did notice Lisa's colour (and Mario's) because they were ORANGE Oh dear have I been orangist

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
I have loved all housemates but I have seen some semi-racist written about some of the black housemates and I felt I had to defend them...

I can understand that it may be different for you pretty~cocoa~eyes if you have experienced any dislike to people based on skin colour, but I find it quite divisive to 'see' people's colour as paramount. I tend to 'see' the whole person and not just whether they are a black or a white person, if you see what I mean.

I must say, I like this but there are many who do not live by your sentiment. As BB tends to pick up the extreme stereotypes, it can be quite disheartening when some Black HMs display this stereotypical behaviour which is actually inherent in only a few Black people. But for the uneducated - or should I say those less exposed to different cultures, it begins to imply that this is the status quo, which is not only entirely false, but also disheartening and difficult to shake. So when you see a Black person enter the house you think 'right, maybe this one will represent' as in represent Black people in a positive light and shake off views based on stereotype. It rarely happens unfortunately because in choosing the extreme stereotypical Black people (BB that is) it creates great TV. Why on earth would they chose someone who is educated, has a good job and communicates effectively? That would make rubbish TV. (In their view)

I must also say, as pretty-cocoa-eyes has said, that over the years, I've read some pretty vile things, in racial contexts, written about Black housemates on the forum.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Kaytee:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Kaytee:
I liked Makosi because I found her entertaining...until the pool episode, but the Tickle was my favourite HM of all time. On the other hand I couldn't stand Alex, Victor or Science.
I disliked Mikey,not because he was blind, but because he gave me the creeps (I have eye problems too). Of the other HMs I voted for Nadia to win and Sakia and Maxwell to be evicted.

I don't see colour, disability or sexual orientation, just people who I either like or dislike whatever

Oh yes me too, its not the thing I most notice about people, the colour of their skin, more likely to notice their hair or dress sense or whatever.

Now you're talking Squiggs Michelle Bass and her Croydon Facelift and Lisa's clothes(EEEEEEK!)

Now here I have to contradict myself because I did notice Lisa's colour (and Mario's) because they were ORANGE Oh dear have I been orangist

Dear God! I forgot about the fake tans

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Originally posted by Kaytee:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Kaytee:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Kaytee:
I liked Makosi because I found her entertaining...until the pool episode, but the Tickle was my favourite HM of all time. On the other hand I couldn't stand Alex, Victor or Science.
I disliked Mikey,not because he was blind, but because he gave me the creeps (I have eye problems too). Of the other HMs I voted for Nadia to win and Sakia and Maxwell to be evicted.

I don't see colour, disability or sexual orientation, just people who I either like or dislike whatever

Oh yes me too, its not the thing I most notice about people, the colour of their skin, more likely to notice their hair or dress sense or whatever.

Now you're talking Squiggs Michelle Bass and her Croydon Facelift and Lisa's clothes(EEEEEEK!)

Now here I have to contradict myself because I did notice Lisa's colour (and Mario's) because they were ORANGE Oh dear have I been orangist

Dear God! I forgot about the fake tans

Believe me Kaytee I am doing my level best to block out the gruesome twosome from my poor brain but images keep recurring, washing mitts, custard creams, hot juicy tea, help help help!

Heck! I was just having a cuppa with a custard cream bisquit when you reminded me of that pair again...now stoppit Squiggs

Colour of skin etc never comes into it when I like a housemate down to their personality when I like them and thats all I have to say about that *adopts Stone Cold Steve Austin voice* .

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Originally posted by Girlrider29:

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Originally posted by Growlybear:

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Originally posted by Videostar:
I loved Victor, Jon THE LEGEND Tickle and Derek, andat times Science, and im a pale white guy.

It doesn't matter whether we are black or white as to who we support.

Although I have noticed in years gone by that some people tend to support HM's who come from their area and for no other reson.

Which I think is daft too.

I completely agree, except that I LOVED Ahmed and Mohammed as well. I really don't understand why anyone would support a HM who comes from their area, or who is the same gender, ethnicity etc. Surely it's more logical to support people you actually like based on what appeals to you about their personality?

Of course that's more logical, but when they first come in you don't really know who you actually really like because we don't know very much about them. I'm talking about (as Cosmo and Electric said) that instant connection and identification with someone you can identify with that appears as an initial response and then may or may not not be sustained throughout their time in the house.

I disagree. I form an instant opinion on the housemates when they go in based largely on what they say in their VT, and on how they behave when they get out of the car. It has absolutely nothing to do with gender, age, ethnicity, or where they come from. I don't think I've ever changed my opinion significantly about a HM.

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Originally posted by darloboy07:
Colour of skin etc never comes into it when I like a housemate down to their personality when I like them and thats all I have to say about that *adopts Stone Cold Steve Austin voice* .

OOH! Darlo!!! you iz scary

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Originally posted by Kaytee:

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Originally posted by darloboy07:
Colour of skin etc never comes into it when I like a housemate down to their personality when I like them and thats all I have to say about that *adopts Stone Cold Steve Austin voice* .

OOH! Darlo!!! you iz scary

, i'm not I promise lol.

I like/dislike each housemate based on their actions in the house alone.

It has to be said so, sometimes it becomes so uptight on these boards that it's impossible to talk about any housemate without race coming into it, which is a shame and clouds every issue from there on..

I really feel for girlrider here

I genuinely don't think she's talking about liking HMs based on their ethnicity or whatever.

It's just when they step out of the car you go "oooh" (one of "us") type of thing and it piques your interest. Whether you go on to like them or go on to hate them is another matter.

I imagine it would be the same if you were from a small town and the HM was from there, you'd sit up and take notice ( I did with Johnny)...it doesn't mean you will go on to support them...you just wonder how they are going to come across..and if they are a dilbert you go "Oh gawd, was there no one better!"

I am still waiting for a rock n roll cockney ( ) with a couple of kids and multiple wrongs to go in tho...when that happens I'll let you know

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Originally posted by watchinittoomuch:
I am still waiting for a rock n roll cockney ( ) with a couple of kids and multiple wrongs to go in tho...when that happens I'll let you know

Bubble?

You're never gonna get and exact "you" in there though are you?

But if you share something in common, you take notice.

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Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:

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Originally posted by watchinittoomuch:
I am still waiting for a rock n roll cockney ( ) with a couple of kids and multiple wrongs to go in tho...when that happens I'll let you know

Bubble?

He had a penis and was too young..

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Originally posted by electric6:
You're never gonna get and exact "you" in there though are you?

But if you share something in common, you take notice.

I dont think I've ever felt an affinity with any housemate....but then again I dont generally feel an affinity with many RL people either, cos Im a bit of a hermit innit

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Originally posted by Kaytee:
Heck! I was just having a cuppa with a custard cream bisquit when you reminded me of that pair again...now stoppit Squiggs

Tee hee

I remember when there were endless arguments about whether a black HM would ever win BB.

I got quite excited when Derek, Science, Makosi and Vanessa entered the house, making it more likely to happen than in previous years, and hoping that this would end the yearly accusations that the British public were inherently racist.

Then, we got to know them!

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Kaytee:
Heck! I was just having a cuppa with a custard cream bisquit when you reminded me of that pair again...now stoppit Squiggs

Tee hee

PMSL

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Originally posted by FGG Aka Crocodile Rock:

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Originally posted by watchinittoomuch:
I am still waiting for a rock n roll cockney ( ) with a couple of kids and multiple wrongs to go in tho...when that happens I'll let you know

Bubble?

Bubble = fake cockernee??

I think Bubble came from Kingston/Surbiton area, so not a cockernee. Sarf Lahndan innit?

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Originally posted by Kaytee:
I think Bubble came from Kingston/Surbiton area, so not a cockernee. Sarf Lahndan innit?

They all sound the same to me!

He was a mockney

I liked him though

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Originally posted by electric6:
I really feel for girlrider here

I genuinely don't think she's talking about liking HMs based on their ethnicity or whatever.

It's just when they step out of the car you go "oooh" (one of "us") type of thing and it piques your interest. Whether you go on to like them or go on to hate them is another matter.

I imagine it would be the same if you were from a small town and the HM was from there, you'd sit up and take notice ( I did with Johnny)...it doesn't mean you will go on to support them...you just wonder how they are going to come across..and if they are a dilbert you go "Oh gawd, was there no one better!"

Thanks Leccy. I can't be bothered to keep repeating myself though because I think people post before reading the whole thread and immediately take a defensive position without even trying to empathise with a point being made...

I think it's easy for people to take the 'I don't see colour' position when they aren't in a minority group (and not just ethnically minor as you can identify with). N'mind.

Ah well, I enjoyed the thread anyway Girlrider, it was interesting

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Kaytee:
I think Bubble came from Kingston/Surbiton area, so not a cockernee. Sarf Lahndan innit?

They all sound the same to me!

*whispers* and me

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Originally posted by Girlrider29:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by electric6:
I really feel for girlrider here

I genuinely don't think she's talking about liking HMs based on their ethnicity or whatever.

It's just when they step out of the car you go "oooh" (one of "us") type of thing and it piques your interest. Whether you go on to like them or go on to hate them is another matter.

I imagine it would be the same if you were from a small town and the HM was from there, you'd sit up and take notice ( I did with Johnny)...it doesn't mean you will go on to support them...you just wonder how they are going to come across..and if they are a dilbert you go "Oh gawd, was there no one better!"

And before anyone starts to form the opinion that I might be 'playing the race card' I will say that on a personal level I have actually only experienced racism once - literally one incident in 33 years - so no chips here. I'm quite dark (and beautiful I assure you ) and have always gotten along well in life, got a good education, v. good, well paid job etc etc, but that doesn't mean I'm blind to social perceptions and attitudes. But it does get difficult when there is a denial of racial experiences, differences, cultural expectations, perceptions, hopes and injustice. A lack of knowledge and experience in these issues makes it easy to gloss over the experience of ethic minorities in a society that is mostly White. I have no problem with this - I like living here but there are issues to wade through.

Bloody hell! I said I didn't want to talk about racism! I suppose it's not really - it's about the experience of being a minority in this society which links to my initial points/questions about possibly premature affinities to people we see as similar to ourselves.

Look, this is the truth and we really need to start having open dialogue in this country now more than ever; so before anyone starts shooting me down, I'd like you to appreciate that I'm being bravely honest although many people don't want to hear this - therefore communication breaks down and then people start voting for the bloody BNP

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Do you mean........a sort of instant 'connection' based on a similarity or trait that we'd see in ourselves?
And then the subsequent disappointment when they turn out to be a total wazzock?

That's exactly how I took her OP, Cosmopolitan...I don't think other people answering the thread have quite got it...I could be wrong, I frequently am

Oh so am I Electric 6 - it's hard to always get the intent of someone's meaning right.

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Originally posted by Girlrider29:


YES! That's exactly what I mean! THANK YOU! .

Yay! I'm quite chuffed with myself.


I'm originally from London. So of course I take an interest in someone from my birthplace. The fact that London has been full of different races ever since I was a kid is really of no importance to me - I don't look for a white, female Londoner, I just take note of ANY Londoner.

Usually they disappointment me. For many reasons, but hey-ho!

But I'd be a bit confused if everyone thought that they were my representative; Michelle Bass is not like anyone from the North East that I know; therefore she's not a representative of anyone but herself.

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Originally posted by Kaytee:
I think Bubble came from Kingston/Surbiton area, so not a cockernee. Sarf Lahndan innit?

No, no, no, no, no!

That's your posh 'burbs (Surrey) innit.

Thinks carefully about how to answer.

I think it's daft to say "I don't see colour" I cant even say I don't judge people on their colour.

My own situation is unusual I think. I'm white and when I was 3 I spent a year in hospital in the days when your parents were told not to visit you as you needed to be left in the hands of the doctors and nurses to heal. By the time I left I had fallen in love with a Jamaican Nurse, my parents had become strangers.

I still get a warm fuzzy feeling when I hear a Jamaican accent and I know for sure if a 40 something Jamaican lady went in the house I would be routing for her to WIN. *wonders if that makes me racist*

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Originally posted by **sossy**:
Thinks carefully about how to answer.

I think it's daft to say "I don't see colour" I cant even say I don't judge people on their colour.

My own situation is unusual I think. I'm white and when I was 3 I spent a year in hospital in the days when your parents were told not to visit you as you needed to be left in the hands of the doctors and nurses to heal. By the time I left I had fallen in love with a Jamaican Nurse, my parents had become strangers.

I still get a warm fuzzy feeling when I hear a Jamaican accent and I know for sure if a 40 something Jamaican lady went in the house I would be routing for her to WIN. *wonders if that makes me racist*

Awww... that is sooo sweet!!

Although when I hear a Jamaican accent I think of my ex and father of my daughter

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Originally posted by Girlrider29:

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Originally posted by **sossy**:
Thinks carefully about how to answer.

I think it's daft to say "I don't see colour" I cant even say I don't judge people on their colour.

My own situation is unusual I think. I'm white and when I was 3 I spent a year in hospital in the days when your parents were told not to visit you as you needed to be left in the hands of the doctors and nurses to heal. By the time I left I had fallen in love with a Jamaican Nurse, my parents had become strangers.

I still get a warm fuzzy feeling when I hear a Jamaican accent and I know for sure if a 40 something Jamaican lady went in the house I would be routing for her to WIN. *wonders if that makes me racist*

Awww... that is sooo sweet!!

Although when I hear a Jamaican accent I think of my ex and father of my daughter

LOL I am still puzzled to this day when people say they cant understand a Jamaican accent, I'm nearly 60 now and it still sounds normal to me