quote:Originally posted by Tayto:
This is The Bod we're talking about MrsB.
Oh.Dear.God.
*swoon*
Oh.Dear.God.
*swoon*
quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:
SOME people and (it has to be said) some countries seem to thrive on bearing a grudge, be it from 2 years ago or 700 years ago,
They seem to enjoy wallowing in self pity, the "oh poor me/us" syndrome I call it,
MOVE ON, get over it, YES the Brits did terrible things in Ireland, and I as a Brit am truly sorry, (NOT that I had ANY say in the matter, cause I wasnt born when most of it happened)
and shock horror the BRITISH media is biased towards the BRITISH QUEEN, what the F do you expect??
I was living in the ROI when some English rugby player apparently "insulted" the president of Ireland, and going on the reaction from the Irish media you would think he had goosed her and copped a feel,
What did he do? he wouldnt move off a carpet!! he later whole heartedly apologised said he didnt realise etc,
Was that good enough? not at all, seems they wanted blood, cause he's ENGLISH ya see, I myself was subjected to torrents of abuse at work for this OUTRAGE,
see 1 thing I learned when I lived n worked there was, to be ENGLISH means that one is PERSONALY responsible for EVERY crime every injustice every insult past present and future EVER perpetrated by MY country on the Irish.
I think the Irish have had the last laugh though.
You (yes you!)gave us hundreds of years of misery,suffering and disenfranchisement!Dont feel guilty!Dont feel you have to apologise for we have the ultimate tool of revenge!!!!!!
The Irish give youse
BONO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Disclaimer!The tongue is still in the cheek tho I know this is a serious issue and I shouldnt trivialise it and all that to be sure
quote:Originally posted by Windswept:
Youve got to love O'Gara
I want to claim damages against Munster for the earache I've suffered being battered by the winds at Thomond Park!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by Irish-Princess:
Old Hippy Guy, no offence or anything but alot of people who live in England, NI, Scotland or Wales have a choice which of these they wish to be identified by, I live in NI Ireland and I choose to be recognised as Irish thus having an irish Passport, others may chose to be labelled British therefore having a Britih Passport.
no offence taken, I prefer being Identified as a HUMAN from EARTH who just by chance happen to have been born on the bit known as England,I had no imput at all in this event, and therefore dont feel either pride OR shame for things done by my forefathers, or hatred or dislike of people born on other bits of this planet for things done by theirs to mine,
I just take people as I find them,
oh and I am a republican, there should be no monarchy in this day n age they should be consigned to the history books
You are quoting Bono!!!
I tell thee he has been sent!
I tell thee he has been sent!
Mazzystar I can't help but notice your typically Northern Irish grouping name 'youse'...what about ye! What county u from?
quote:I prefer being Identified as a HUMAN from EARTH who just by chance happen to have been born on the bit known as England,I had no imput at all in this event, and therefore dont feel either pride OR shame for things done by my forefathers
*Makes that man a nice cuppa and a smoke*
quote:Originally posted by Irish-Princess:
Mazzystar I can't help but notice your typically Northern Irish grouping name 'youse'...what about ye! What county u from?
I'm from the County of Durhamshire an' we say it all the time, plus we "shite" and never shit.
I'm insane
see 1 thing I learned when I lived n worked there was, to be ENGLISH means that one is PERSONALY responsible for EVERY crime every injustice every insult past present and future EVER perpetrated by MY country on the Irish.
(quote from Old Hippy Guy)
Old Hippy Guy, don't know what people you knocked around with. My family and friends would never feel like that
(quote from Old Hippy Guy)
Old Hippy Guy, don't know what people you knocked around with. My family and friends would never feel like that
I'm British, then European. I don't really have an English self-identity. I recognise Welsh and Scottish though. I also recognise other places of strong culture, such as Newcastle and Liverpool. I suppose it's more a regional thing under a British umbrello rather than a nationality thing. If you see what I mean.
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
I'm British, then European. I don't really have an English self-identity. I recognise Welsh and Scottish though. I also recognise other places of strong culture, such as Newcastle and Liverpool. I suppose it's more a regional thing under a British umbrello rather than a nationality thing. If you see what I mean.
You might not think of yourself as English but you do recognise Welsh and Scottish. By the same token I am English and I see no reason to feel ashamed of my Englishness in the same way that people are proud to be Irish or Scottish or Welsh. Standing up and saying I am English and proud to be so is my right and I think a lot of folk nowadays (not you obviously) are trying to make the English feel ashamed of being English. As OHG said earlier in this thread (
) it is the human race that is important. We are all different, respect those differences.
quote:Originally posted by squiggle:
You might not think of yourself as English but you do recognise Welsh and Scottish. By the same token I am English and I see no reason to feel ashamed of my Englishness in the same way that people are proud to be Irish or Scottish or Welsh. Standing up and saying I am English and proud to be so is my right and I think a lot of folk nowadays (not you obviously) are trying to make the English feel ashamed of being English. As OHG said earlier in this thread (
I see myself as English and then British. I don't see myself as European at all.
quote:Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
I see myself as English and then British. I don't see myself as European at all.
Me too!
quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
I see myself as English and then British. I don't see myself as European at all.
Me too!
That's two of us then
quote:Originally posted by Liverpoollass:quote:Originally posted by squiggle:
You might not think of yourself as English but you do recognise Welsh and Scottish. By the same token I am English and I see no reason to feel ashamed of my Englishness in the same way that people are proud to be Irish or Scottish or Welsh. Standing up and saying I am English and proud to be so is my right and I think a lot of folk nowadays (not you obviously) are trying to make the English feel ashamed of being English. As OHG said earlier in this thread (
I see myself as English and then British. I don't see myself as European at all.
Yet again, LL. We cancel each other out.
Yay! etc.I despise nationalism m'self like. Although it's OK for footie mebbees.
I feel exactly the same.quote:Originally posted by Liverpoollass:quote:Originally posted by squiggle:
You might not think of yourself as English but you do recognise Welsh and Scottish. By the same token I am English and I see no reason to feel ashamed of my Englishness in the same way that people are proud to be Irish or Scottish or Welsh. Standing up and saying I am English and proud to be so is my right and I think a lot of folk nowadays (not you obviously) are trying to make the English feel ashamed of being English. As OHG said earlier in this thread (
I see myself as English and then British. I don't see myself as European at all.
*runs through thread with hands in pockets*
quote:Originally posted by Templetonpeck:
*runs through thread with hands in pockets*
*leaves ruck in mat*
(Whatever that means)
quote:Originally posted by squiggle:
You might not think of yourself as English but you do recognise Welsh and Scottish. By the same token I am English and I see no reason to feel ashamed of my Englishness in the same way that people are proud to be Irish or Scottish or Welsh. Standing up and saying I am English and proud to be so is my right and I think a lot of folk nowadays (not you obviously) are trying to make the English feel ashamed of being English. As OHG said earlier in this thread (
Is there really an Englishness with which people can identify? It feels to me that being English now is essentially just to get on with stuff without bothering with issues of nationality.
I laugh a little at St Georges Day to be honest. Patron saints for countries are rallying points for culture and patriotism. It doesn't really matter who they were. The fact that most (it seems) English people can't really be bothered with St Georges Day is quite indicative, I'd say.
Personally, I'm neither proud or ashamed of being English. We have are good and bad points as a country and I'm just comfortable living in a place where I understand how it all works. I find it quite hard to be proud of something I've not had much influence in constructing. That's what proud really means isn't it? It's about ownership or something custodial.
quote:Originally posted by Garage Joe:quote:Originally posted by Templetonpeck:
*runs through thread with hands in pockets*
*leaves ruck in mat*
(Whatever that means)
how did this thread turn into an english bac patting party?
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
We have are good and bad points as a country and I'm just comfortable living in a place where I understand how it all works.
I turtely agree with this.
On one hand we invade countries and are responsible for loads of deaths, BUT on the other hand you can get a really good pint of real ale in Whitby.
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:quote:Originally posted by squiggle:
You might not think of yourself as English but you do recognise Welsh and Scottish. By the same token I am English and I see no reason to feel ashamed of my Englishness in the same way that people are proud to be Irish or Scottish or Welsh. Standing up and saying I am English and proud to be so is my right and I think a lot of folk nowadays (not you obviously) are trying to make the English feel ashamed of being English. As OHG said earlier in this thread (
Is there really an Englishness with which people can identify? It feels to me that being English now is essentially just to get on with stuff without bothering with issues of nationality.
I laugh a little at St Georges Day to be honest. Patron saints for countries are rallying points for culture and patriotism. It doesn't really matter who they were. The fact that most (it seems) English people can't really be bothered with St Georges Day is quite indicative, I'd say.
Personally, I'm neither proud or ashamed of being English. We have are good and bad points as a country and I'm just comfortable living in a place where I understand how it all works. I find it quite hard to be proud of something I've not had much influence in constructing. That's what proud really means isn't it? It's about ownership or something custodial.
Each to his own.
quote:Originally posted by Templetonpeck:quote:Originally posted by Garage Joe:quote:Originally posted by Templetonpeck:
*runs through thread with hands in pockets*
*leaves ruck in mat*
(Whatever that means)
how did this thread turn into an english bac patting party?
Not really an English back patting party more a 'you have the right to be proud of who you are' party.
quote:Originally posted by longcat:
I feel exactly the same.
That's 3 of us then
I'm bad. I laugh at American patriotism too. They seem to hang flags on just about everything and get tearful at their national anthem. When people burn their flag in the Middle East people seem to be really outraged. If anyone burnt the English or British flag then I'd want to laugh at the pointlessness of it.
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
I'm bad. I laugh at American patriotism too. They seem to hang flags on just about everything and get tearful at their national anthem. When people burn their flag in the Middle East people seem to be really outraged. If anyone burnt the English or British flag then I'd want to laugh at the pointlessness of it.
We already do Dan.
I have never understood that either.
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
I'm bad. I laugh at American patriotism too. They seem to hang flags on just about everything and get tearful at their national anthem. When people burn their flag in the Middle East people seem to be really outraged. If anyone burnt the English or British flag then I'd want to laugh at the pointlessness of it.
See to me that is total disrespect to burn a flag, it happens here every summer on the 12th the Unionist have bonfires and put a lovely crisp tri-colour on top.
It is disrespectful to burn a flag. A flag is a country's symbol, so irrespective of your own beliefs that it signifies nothing, on the world stage it is one, if not the main symbol used to identify a country. (Think of the Olympics, the flag is a very potent sign of each county taking part)
quote:Originally posted by Hollygolightly:
It is disrespectful to burn a flag. A flag is a country's symbol, so irrespective of your own beliefs that it signifies nothing, on the world stage it is one, if not the main symbol used to identify a country. (Think of the Olympics, the flag is a very potent sign of each county taking part)
Absolutely
quote:Originally posted by Hollygolightly:
It is disrespectful to burn a flag. A flag is a country's symbol, so irrespective of your own beliefs that it signifies nothing, on the world stage it is one, if not the main symbol used to identify a country. (Think of the Olympics, the flag is a very potent sign of each county taking part)
Well, for sure. The intention is disrespect. However, it only has an effect if people are offended. I'm not as I think it's funny so it's pointless as far as I'm concerned. I'm happy to send them our flags if they like as long as they pay for them.
That thing in the Middle East with throwing shoes or hitting things with shoes: I think that's hilarious! When loads of people had one of their shoes off hitting Saddam's statue, it just made me laugh. It's intended to be very rude but it looks ridiculous from the outside.
I saw a bunch of British teenagers a couple of years ago fooling around near where I work. They were crossing the road and a car got a bit too close to one of them. He took off his shoe and started waving it over his head at the car and shouting. They all then fell about laughing. I must have a teenage sense of humour because it really tickled me too.
quote:Originally posted by Baz:
I think what the world needs is more respect and tolerance ! Respect and tolerance at an individual level and respect and tolerance at a national and governmental level. If we all respected and tolerated other nations cultures, the world would be a calmer place... IMO
Awww. How fluffeh.
But hold on. Should I respect and tolerate Iran's culture and governance for hanging gay people for being gay?
quote:Originally posted by Irish-Princess:
See to me that is total disrespect to burn a flag, it happens here every summer on the 12th the Unionist have bonfires and put a lovely crisp tri-colour on top.
Blimey, I didn't know that.
Have they got a bulk buy agreement with anyone who makes flags? I'm beginning to see an export opportunity here.
Daniel J* your not funny, also re the things going on in the middle east, when you invades a persons country with an army in tow its not uncommon for people of that nation to display hatred of the invading nation...they will never learn will they.
Well, you see, therein lies some of the issues with patriotism and nationalism. It creates an identity in groups of people and the nature of a group identity is that it, by definition, excludes people. When two groups clash over an issue, as they are inevitably going to do, that history is passed through the generations if the group identity is very strong. The more symbols you have, the stronger the group identity.
quote:Originally posted by Baz:
I think what the world needs is more respect and tolerance ! Respect and tolerance at an individual level and respect and tolerance at a national and governmental level. If we all respected and tolerated other nations cultures, the world would be a calmer place... IMO
Well said Baz, start a campaign and I will join, there will be many others!
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:quote:Originally posted by Baz:
I think what the world needs is more respect and tolerance ! Respect and tolerance at an individual level and respect and tolerance at a national and governmental level. If we all respected and tolerated other nations cultures, the world would be a calmer place... IMO
Awww. How fluffeh.
But hold on. Should I respect and tolerate Iran's culture and governance for hanging gay people for being gay?
Nothing *fluffeh* about it.... it's the hardest principle to follow... that's why we all fail so miserably! But i'll make a start, and respect your right to think it is fluffeh
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:quote:Originally posted by Baz:
I think what the world needs is more respect and tolerance ! Respect and tolerance at an individual level and respect and tolerance at a national and governmental level. If we all respected and tolerated other nations cultures, the world would be a calmer place... IMO
Awww. How fluffeh.
But hold on. Should I respect and tolerate Iran's culture and governance for hanging gay people for being gay?
You most definitely should not respect that attitude to gays.