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Originally posted by Irish-Princess:
Squiggle, i don't knock your nationality or fellow countrymen. The Queens in my opinion is a non-entity, and I'm sorry but i abhore the Monarchy and all they stand for for resons explained previously, but as you say each to their own. I don't think the Irish FMs intentionally mean to knock the English but if it happens it's not personaly alot of Irish people still harbour a lot of hurt and anger about events that happened in the past, it can easily be brushed over by saying it was 100s of years again but that doesn't heal the wounds. Anyway I didn't want this thread to turn into a thread like that I just wanted to speak about how laughable it is this made front page News.


Don't apologise for abhorring the monarchy - a more bigoted, racist and sectarian group of people you couldn’t wish to meet.

Never mind 100's of years, there has always been (and still is if truth be told) an element of anti Irish sentiment amongst the Brits.


Can I just gently point out Jasmine that, as far as I remember, you are a Brit? Being Scottish that is.


Thus I should excuse the attitude of my β€˜fellow countrymen’ Confused


Well all I can say is that I have never heard any anti-Irish sentiment among all the English people I have met over the years. Quite the opposite in fact.
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Originally posted by Irish-Princess:
Bit late with this one...

But the story about ROG snubbing the Queen by greeting her with his hands in his pockets although not really proper manners, it's bit rich for the English Media to lamblast him as has been done all weekend after Martin Johnsons performance in Landowne road with our head of State a few years ago, now surely that was alot worse, that was downright arrogance.
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I am half Irish / German and my parents instilled in our family to NEVER judge anyone by their nationality or colour. They were determined that their children should grow up as unpredujiced as possible.
Quite frankly,I had a very difficult time of it when I lived in London, but only from a few ignorant individuals...Kraut/Paddy being two of the better forms of abuse I took every day.
Having said that when people got to know me and not the baggage from my countries history, things were fine. I have many fabulous English /British friends whome I absoultely love and adore. Sorry if this is long winded but I hate Nationalism in any shape or form
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I am half Irish / German and my parents instilled in our family to NEVER judge anyone by their nationality or colour. They were determined that their children should grow up as unpredujiced as possible.
Quite frankly,I had a very difficult time of it when I lived in London, but only from a few ignorant individuals...Kraut/Paddy being two of the better forms of abuse I took every day.
Having said that when people got to know me and not the baggage from my countries history, things were fine. I have many fabulous English /British friends whome I absoultely love and adore. Sorry if this is long winded but I hate Nationalism in any shape or form


Nothing wrong with nationalism provided it's not accompanied by prejudice and bigotry ...
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ROG was caught with his hands in his pockets before he was introduced to The Queen. The media jumped on it fair enough. The Irish media jumped on Martin Johnson in the same way when he did what he did.
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I'm Irish and live in Ireland. I have great respect for Queen Elizabeth - think she's great.





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Well said, what does the future hold for our kids if we hold on to hatred? Smiler
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Originally posted by Hollygolightly:
I am half Irish / German and my parents instilled in our family to NEVER judge anyone by their nationality or colour. They were determined that their children should grow up as unpredujiced as possible.
Quite frankly,I had a very difficult time of it when I lived in London, but only from a few ignorant individuals...Kraut/Paddy being two of the better forms of abuse I took every day.
Having said that when people got to know me and not the baggage from my countries history, things were fine. I have many fabulous English /British friends whome I absoultely love and adore. Sorry if this is long winded but I hate Nationalism in any shape or form


Nothing wrong with nationalism provided it's not accompanied by prejudice and bigotry ...

Quite. However, regrettly it most often is.
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SOME people and (it has to be said) some countries seem to thrive on bearing a grudge, be it from 2 years ago or 700 years ago,
They seem to enjoy wallowing in self pity, the "oh poor me/us" syndrome I call it,
MOVE ON, get over it, YES the Brits did terrible things in Ireland, and I as a Brit am truly sorry, (NOT that I had ANY say in the matter, cause I wasnt born when most of it happened)
and shock horror the BRITISH media is biased towards the BRITISH QUEEN, what the F do you expect??
I was living in the ROI when some English rugby player apparently "insulted" the president of Ireland, and going on the reaction from the Irish media you would think he had goosed her and copped a feel,
What did he do? he wouldnt move off a carpet!! he later whole heartedly apologised said he didnt realise etc,
Was that good enough? not at all, seems they wanted blood, cause he's ENGLISH ya see, I myself was subjected to torrents of abuse at work for this OUTRAGE,
see 1 thing I learned when I lived n worked there was, to be ENGLISH means that one is PERSONALY responsible for EVERY crime every injustice every insult past present and future EVER perpetrated by MY country on the Irish.
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Originally posted by old hippy guy:
SOME people and (it has to be said) some countries seem to thrive on bearing a grudge, be it from 2 years ago or 700 years ago,
They seem to enjoy wallowing in self pity, the "oh poor me/us" syndrome I call it,
MOVE ON, get over it, YES the Brits did terrible things in Ireland, and I as a Brit am truly sorry, (NOT that I had ANY say in the matter, cause I wasnt born when most of it happened)
and shock horror the BRITISH media is biased towards the BRITISH QUEEN, what the F do you expect??
I was living in the ROI when some English rugby player apparently "insulted" the president of Ireland, and going on the reaction from the Irish media you would think he had goosed her and copped a feel,
What did he do? he wouldnt move off a carpet!! he later whole heartedly apologised said he didnt realise etc,
Was that good enough? not at all, seems they wanted blood, cause he's ENGLISH ya see, I myself was subjected to torrents of abuse at work for this OUTRAGE,
see 1 thing I learned when I lived n worked there was, to be ENGLISH means that one is PERSONALY responsible for EVERY crime every injustice every insult past present and future EVER perpetrated by MY country on the Irish.


She is the Queen of England not of Britain. Re: Martin Johnson it is the manner in which he behaved is what annoyed most people, his arrogance when asked politely to move to the other side. Also the grudge you speak of you seem very willing to sweep it under the carpet, i'm not stupid I know you didn't have anything to do with it but people can't forget about it quite so easily, I and others I know have been directly affected even recently following on by events that has happened in the past, don't forget the past shaped todays society.

Like I said before I don't want this to become one of those threads, lets get back to the topic.
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