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We used to have a Priest visit our house on a weekly basis in the 70's. He was desperate for my (then 9 year old) brother to go to the church with him alone. Even though there were 3 of us in the family all RC (one boy, 2 girls, my bro and sis did their communion) - he was only interested in my brother. Turns out a few years back he made the National news for being a paedophile for the last 30 or 40 years and is now in jail rotting away for sexually abusing boys (some of whom my brother went to church with). Think his name was Father Stanislaw or summat? Will have to ask my mum tomorrow.
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**I don't think people are too bothered about the cost, it's peanuts-probably what Wayne Rooney earns in a season or less. It's more to do with the backward philosophy he brings with him. ** (said Garage Joe)


People are bothered by the cost, it's estimated to come in at over ÂĢ12M and that is a sizable amount of money to the vast majority of people in this country. I don't see the comparison with Wayne Rooney, you are comparing apples and oranges there. Wayne Rooney's wages is based on the ability of the business (which is Manchester United) to pay them. Individuals make the decision to watch Wayne Rooney's team. If they did not then he would not be paid the sums he is.
I really must strongly disagree. I'm comparing money with money. If people are concerned about 12 megapoond at this level, then imagine how annoyed they would be if they knew how much money was involved in Vodaphone's (amongst others) tax affairs. Do you know how much money is being wasted on the Olympics? The only reason the spud faced nipper is being paid that much btw is because the banks allow Manchester United to operate with a ÂĢ750M debt.
Indeed ÂĢ12M is a lot of cash to us as individual FMs but it really is nothing at the top end.


The money argument is a red herring. We have spent centuries achieving some sort of democratic independence from the church only to invite some dinosaur with his archaic, offensive,  and unwelcome ideas to come reintroduce  them to us.
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The money argument is a red herring. We have spent centuries achieving some sort of democratic independence from the church only to invite some dinosaur with his archaic, offensive, and unwelcome ideas to come reintroduce them to us
Well at least that is honest - the part about the money argument being a "red herring."
As for the Pope, I think a lot of Catholics wouldn't disagree that he isn't a particularly charismatic Pontiff, but his "archaic, offensive, and unwelcome ideas" are not his alone, but that of his faith. It is surely his job to extol the tenets of the Catholic Church. I also think that a lot of Catholics have real problems with their religion's hardline views on homosexuality, contraception, female priests etc, and it is evident that few have come into threads to try and defend him or his views, or that of Catholicism. I am what would be called a lapsed Catholic, who has struggled with a lot of what we are required to believe, but I really believe that despite all the religious restrictions and the perceived cloak-and-dagger machinations behind the Vatican's doors, generally speaking, the Pope's visit has been good for those that it was important to. Over a billion people watched it on television, tens of thousands of people came together here in Glasgow and peacefully sat in each others company and sang out. Most of them will have prayed - not specifically to a God that tells them they can't use contraception or that being gay is wrong, but to their own God whom -  incidently - the Catholic faith has taught them is forgiving and loving. I'm happy for those people. And if, despite his views, the Pope had a part in bringing together a large section of our society and of engendering some positivity in their lives then I say, what is the problem? For those with no interest, why immerse yourselves in the event just to be offended. Tune out, turn off.
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Well i had a lot to say about the expense of this visit and i did expect a lot of negative stuff from people, but i have to say He was made very welcome in Scotland and going by the TV at the moment he is being made very welcome at Hyde Park. What i have saw of The Pope, he has came across as a very warm , caring man. I am not a Catholic , but it has certainly uplifted a lot of people
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I am what would be called a lapsed Catholic, who has struggled with a lot of what we are required to believe, but I really believe that despite all the religious restrictions and the perceived cloak-and-dagger machinations behind the Vatican's doors, generally speaking, the Pope's visit has been good for those that it was important to.
Me too You have said what I have been trying to find a way to say
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