Oh Flossie you've got it bad!
quote:Originally posted by Teddy Bleads:quote:What you have to appreciate is that BECAUSE she is a caring person
She didn't seem very caring when she had a go at Angel about the kitchen on her last night in the house.
Or when she nominated Halfwit after he gave up getting his name back so she could get rid of the specticles thingy.
Or, when she was repeating what Sirevash had told her in confidence to all and sundry.
In summary, no, I would not call Norien one of natures nurturers.
Well perhaps it was Angel who wasn't being the caring one and Noirin who was a consistent contributor to the house had her patience exhausted. Just because Angel was up for nomination does not excuse her from housekeeping tasks. It only took Angel a few minutes to make a contribution so she was hardly inconvenienced.
Just because Freddie did her one good deed does not mean one cannot make valid criticisms of him. If someone does you one good deed are you forever prevented from criticising them? It just goes to show how objective Noirin is her analysis of people and she does not embrace some sort of gang mentality, she looks at things on their objective merits.
She HAD to repeat what Siavash said, he made a fundamental accusation that people who she thought were her friends had been saying unpleasant things about her. She had to confront them, whatever Siavash may wish.
She was suspicious of his motives at the time that he might have been trying to alienate her from that group and as it turned out he had misinterpreted some hand signals by Karly and Kris which were supposed to be that of a t-rex referring to Marcus as a rabbit referring to Noirin. When Kris and Karly emphatically denied the charge she no doubt felt justified in bringing the issue into the open, and indeed she was.
What would you do if one friend told you another friend had been saying something about you? Would you just let the issue simmer when it all might be some confusion, or would you feel entitled to resolve the issue with all concerned?
You have no valid points.
quote:Originally posted by kattymieoww:
Oh Flossie you've got it bad!
I can't help being objective and appreciating the nuanced and caring behaviour of Noirin which has been wildly misinterpreted by the perceptively-challenged.
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by kattymieoww:
Oh Flossie you've got it bad!
I can't help being objective and appreciating the nuanced and caring behaviour of Noirin which has been wildly misinterpreted by the perceptively-challenged.
Actually, floss - I think you're a bit perceptively challenged yourself at the moment. You do realise that Noirin isn't a blonde, yes?
quote:Originally posted by maggiep:quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by maggiep:quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by Moomin:quote:Originally posted by pigeonpie:
Aaaargh, she's a jumped up madam, and arrogant too. How nasty were those comments picking up on people's issues like weight etc! How dare she!
She didn't like it when Angel commented about her tummy did she? Nasty cow - she can give but not take it seems
And when has she made that sort of personal comment in the house?
I bet you made some personal comments as a teenager at school, and Noirin's comments were clearly sourced from her school experiences.
But she is NOT at school,and NOT a bloody school girl,now you have made me do my first swear ever on here.
Maggie
And she hasn't made any sorts of personal comments in the house, unlike Angel.
She clearly does not make those sorts of comments in her adult life as her behaviour in the house demonstrates!
So what is your problem?
I despair!
Read back it was you that said some of her comments were sourced from school,i have no problems, no issues,no axes to grind on here.How about you!!
maggie
Yes I did say they were sourced from her school experiences, because she doesn't behave like that as an adult as we can see from her behaviour in the house.
Your complaint seems to be that she referenced some of her less appealing behaviour in school.
Were you so good in school you did not make personal comments?
As has been discussed earlier in the thread, the BB selectors look for people with under-developed characters and a confrontational attitude. In response to this Noirin seems to have tried to appeal to them by referencing some bad behaviour of hers at school.
You are not making any sense.
quote:Originally posted by ~~KaffyBaffy~~:quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by kattymieoww:
Oh Flossie you've got it bad!
I can't help being objective and appreciating the nuanced and caring behaviour of Noirin which has been wildly misinterpreted by the perceptively-challenged.
Actually, floss - I think you're a bit perceptively challenged yourself at the moment. You do realise that Noirin isn't a blonde, yes?
Errrrrrrmmmmmmmmm now that you mention it..........
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:
Actually, floss - I think you're a bit perceptively challenged yourself at the moment. You do realise that Noirin isn't a blonde, yes?
Errrrrrrmmmmmmmmm now that you mention it..........[/QUOTE]
Who the hell are you and what have you done with Flossie?!
quote:Originally posted by Lindsxdx:quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by Lindsxdx:
Ok, thats your opinion, mine is totally different and I am done dancing around this thread with you. As the old saying goes Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference
Good luck for the eviction this Friday, your girl is going to need it with all these intellectually challenged, self centred, uncaring, dimwitted individuals voting for her as we speak.
So says the person that whose argument revolves around claims that Noirin doesn't get on with Angel and Hira when the words of those very people contradict the baseless assertion, and can't tell a joke from anything else and can't see that Siavash's description of his girlfriend who isn't his girlfriend inevitably attracts banter.
My arguement resolves around my opinion that Noirin is a manipulative madam who needs to make her mind up one way or the other. Does she want a relationship, does she not? Is she friends, is she not? Does she wants cuddles, does she not?
Does she want a r/ship in the house? Nope she doesn't and has said all along that she doesn't.
Is she friends or not? Yes, she's a friend.
Does she want cuddles or not? Yes, aslong as the ones she doesn't fancy (Sree/Marcus) don't get the wrong idea. Sadly they both wanted more, couldn't handle rejection and turned on her.
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by Teddy Bleads:quote:What you have to appreciate is that BECAUSE she is a caring person
She didn't seem very caring when she had a go at Angel about the kitchen on her last night in the house.
Or when she nominated Halfwit after he gave up getting his name back so she could get rid of the specticles thingy.
Or, when she was repeating what Sirevash had told her in confidence to all and sundry.
In summary, no, I would not call Norien one of natures nurturers.
Well perhaps it was Angel who wasn't being the caring one and Noirin who was a consistent contributor to the house had her patience exhausted. Just because Angel was up for nomination does not excuse her from housekeeping tasks. It only took Angel a few minutes to make a contribution so she was hardly inconvenienced.
The issue here is not weather Angel was caring or not, it's Norien. Noreen didn't care that it was possibly Angel's last night in the house, even when it was brought to her attention quite clearly.
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Just because Freddie did her one good deed does not mean one cannot make valid criticisms of him. If someone does you one good deed are you forever prevented from criticising them? It just goes to show how objective Noirin is her analysis of people and she does not embrace some sort of gang mentality, she looks at things on their objective merits.
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No, you are not prevented form critisizing them and I don't see where your "gang mentality" comment features at all. My issue is that she didn't care enough that he had made a sacrifice for her to cut him even the slightest bit of slack.
She HAD to repeat what Siavash said, he made a fundamental accusation that people who she thought were her friends had been saying unpleasant things about her. She had to confront them, whatever Siavash may wish.
She was suspicious of his motives at the time that he might have been trying to alienate her from that group and as it turned out he had misinterpreted some hand signals by Karly and Kris which were supposed to be that of a t-rex referring to Marcus as a rabbit referring to Noirin. When Kris and Karly emphatically denied the charge she no doubt felt justified in bringing the issue into the open, and indeed she was.
What would you do if one friend told you another friend had been saying something about you? Would you just let the issue simmer when it all might be some confusion, or would you feel entitled to resolve the issue with all concerned?
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She didn't need to approach the situation the way she did and was not in the slightest bothered on how it would pan out for Sirvash, only that she got the answers she wanted. Again this doesnot indicate caring behaviour.
You have no valid points.
And really, there is absolutely no need to be so dismissive. It's rude and, dare I say, uncaring. Do you want a serious debate or just to hold court?
c-...Must try harder!
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by maggiep:quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by maggiep:quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by Moomin:quote:Originally posted by pigeonpie:
Aaaargh, she's a jumped up madam, and arrogant too. How nasty were those comments picking up on people's issues like weight etc! How dare she!
She didn't like it when Angel commented about her tummy did she? Nasty cow - she can give but not take it seems
And when has she made that sort of personal comment in the house?
I bet you made some personal comments as a teenager at school, and Noirin's comments were clearly sourced from her school experiences.
But she is NOT at school,and NOT a bloody school girl,now you have made me do my first swear ever on here.
Maggie
And she hasn't made any sorts of personal comments in the house, unlike Angel.
She clearly does not make those sorts of comments in her adult life as her behaviour in the house demonstrates!
So what is your problem?
I despair!
Read back it was you that said some of her comments were sourced from school,i have no problems, no issues,no axes to grind on here.How about you!!
maggie
Yes I did say they were sourced from her school experiences, because she doesn't behave like that as an adult as we can see from her behaviour in the house.
Your complaint seems to be that she referenced some of her less appealing behaviour in school.
Were you so good in school you did not make personal comments?
As has been discussed earlier in the thread, the BB selectors look for people with under-developed characters and a confrontational attitude. In response to this Noirin seems to have tried to appeal to them by referencing some bad behaviour of hers at school.
You are not making any sense.
Yes,actually she does and is behaving like that as an adult,i am not "complaining",i am daring to have an opinion which differs to yours.
That would obviously not make sense to you.
Please do not bother to reply,your opinions are no longer of any interest to me.
Maggie
blimey this thread makes my head hurt 
quote:Originally posted by Mount Olympus:
blimey this thread makes my head hurt
It's the literary equivalent of banging your head against a wall. Repeatedly
quote:Originally posted by maggiep:
Yes,actually she does and is behaving like that as an adult,i am not "complaining",i am daring to have an opinion which differs to yours.
That would obviously not make sense to you.
Please do not bother to reply,your opinions are no longer of any interest to me.
Maggie
I have absolutely no idea what your point of disagreement is.
Are you saying she is behaving now in the manner consistent with her comments in the video? Or that I am wrong in claiming she was referencing her school girl behaviour? Or that if I am right that she was referencing her school girl behaviour she shouldn't have done so?
Who can say? not even you I suspect.
well it's definitely not a debate that's for sure Saz
A Debate doesn't mean start every long monologue with an insult ..
afraid I tuned those bits out. . no point in reading anything preceded by or including insults directed at or about other participants in the debate... any points raised after that are null and void in my book if people can't be courteous when trying to make their point ...
A Debate doesn't mean start every long monologue with an insult ..
afraid I tuned those bits out. . no point in reading anything preceded by or including insults directed at or about other participants in the debate... any points raised after that are null and void in my book if people can't be courteous when trying to make their point ...
quote:Originally posted by Teddy Bleads:
She didn't need to approach the situation the way she did and was not in the slightest bothered on how it would pan out for Sirvash, only that she got the answers she wanted. Again this doesnot indicate caring behaviour.
She was very diplomatic in the way she approached the situation, she very gently asked the bedroom contingent whether anybody had been referring to her as a rabbit. She avoided mentioning Siavash and he was the one to admit to his part in relaying the comments to Noirin.
How much more diplomatic could she have been, if you accept she had a right to find out what was going on? And she did have that right
quote:she very gently asked the bedroom contingent whether anybody had been referring to her as a rabbit
Now I know you are in an alternate universe watching the show..
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:she very gently asked the bedroom contingent whether anybody had been referring to her as a rabbit
Now I know you are in an alternate universe watching the show..
You mean "alternative". Alternate is something you do one way and then another and back again e.g. one walks by lifting up alternate legs etc etc
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:she very gently asked the bedroom contingent whether anybody had been referring to her as a rabbit
Now I know you are in an alternate universe watching the show..
You mean "alternative". Alternate is something you do one way and then another and back again e.g. one walks by lifting up alternate legs etc etc
No, I meant alternate. I didn't do one of your now infamous 'mistypes'.
When fm's resort to taking the piss out someones spelling mistakes have they lost the debate?
i'd say so.
i'd say so.
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:
Well perhaps it was Angel who wasn't being the caring one and Noirin who was a consistent contributor to the house had her patience exhausted. Just because Angel was up for nomination does not excuse her from housekeeping tasks. It only took Angel a few minutes to make a contribution so she was hardly inconvenienced.
quote:Originally posted by Teddy Bleads:
The issue here is not weather Angel was caring or not, it's Norien. Noreen didn't care that it was possibly Angel's last night in the house, even when it was brought to her attention quite clearly.
Yes Noirin wasn't concerned that Angel should be excused making a contribution to the house because she was up for eviction. One can make some small case for saying that Angel should be excused household tasks, but as I say Angel's laziness had clearly exhausted Noirin's patience. It wasn't Noirin's finest hour but then telling people to do stuff never looks appealing and BB viewers seem to hate responsible people doing responsible things and perhaps Noirin had become fed up with tidying stuff for the nth time.
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:
Just because Freddie did her one good deed does not mean one cannot make valid criticisms of him. If someone does you one good deed are you forever prevented from criticising them? It just goes to show how objective Noirin is her analysis of people and she does not embrace some sort of gang mentality, she looks at things on their objective merits.
quote:Originally posted by Teddy Bleads:
No, you are not prevented form critisizing them and I don't see where your "gang mentality" comment features at all. My issue is that she didn't care enough that he had made a sacrifice for her to cut him even the slightest bit of slack.
The gang mentality thing I was referring to is that one applies different critical criteria for the same behaviour dependent on whether someone is or is not in one's "gang" or social circle. Noirin takes the mature approach of being objective at all times. You seem to think she should not be entitled to nominate him because of one act of kindness on his part, that didn't cost him much at all. Anybody would have done it! If I recall correctly she nominated when he was trying to defend Angel's strange behaviour which included calling Noirin three months pregnant. Noirin naturally thought that this behaviour was not defensible and that Freddie was allowing his sexual desire for Angel to cloud his moral judgement, and so she nominated him, and I would argue with some justification.
*Scratches head*
But she's still not blonde.
But she's still not blonde.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:she very gently asked the bedroom contingent whether anybody had been referring to her as a rabbit
Now I know you are in an alternate universe watching the show..
You mean "alternative". Alternate is something you do one way and then another and back again e.g. one walks by lifting up alternate legs etc etc
No, I meant alternate. I didn't do one of your now infamous 'mistypes'.
Well then you don't know how to use the word.
quote:Originally posted by The Guru:
When fm's resort to taking the piss out someones spelling mistakes have they lost the debate?
i'd say so.
And you would be wrong.
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:she very gently asked the bedroom contingent whether anybody had been referring to her as a rabbit
Now I know you are in an alternate universe watching the show..
You mean "alternative". Alternate is something you do one way and then another and back again e.g. one walks by lifting up alternate legs etc etc
No, I meant alternate. I didn't do one of your now infamous 'mistypes'.
Well then you don't know how to use the word.
On the contrary. My use of it was cutting you some slack, which now would appear was misguided.
I don't think that asserting I was in an alternative universe is cutting me some slack.
You can add your misguided understanding of "alternate" to your misguided understanding of Noirin.
You can add your misguided understanding of "alternate" to your misguided understanding of Noirin.
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:
I don't think that asserting I was in an alternative universe is cutting me some slack.
You can add your misguided understanding of "alternate" to your misguided understanding of Noirin.
I said alternate. You know, the word you pointed out was, in your mind, used erroneously. You do know what that means don't you?
I assumed that you would vacillate between the âreal worldâ, where people see Ms Noirin for what she is and are able to express their opinions and have them received with courtesy and an 'alternative', where you sit worshipping Noirin, in blissful ignorance and bloated self-importance, oblivious to the opinion of others and their right to voice the same without your insolence.
I was wrong and I do apologise. As I said, I cut you âsome slackâ: I should have gone with alternative.
quote:Originally posted by Bethni:quote:Originally posted by j0anne:
maybe we should now watch and see everyone elses audition video....see if they were honest or live up to the promise they made about who they are
i am not a noirin fan per se but i am pissed that shes getting all this crap over a guy that fantasised he was in a relationship with her even tho he wa told NO about a thousand times....
I think you'll find it's not all because of one guy. I have watched ALL the other VT's and, of course, they play themselves up a lot. Noirin, however, was the only one who said she used people and played on their weaknesses to make them cry.
and she's the only one that has been painfully truthful.
which i like, i realise not everyone shares my view
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by Teddy Bleads:
She didn't need to approach the situation the way she did and was not in the slightest bothered on how it would pan out for Sirvash, only that she got the answers she wanted. Again this doesnot indicate caring behaviour.
She was very diplomatic in the way she approached the situation, she very gently asked the bedroom contingent whether anybody had been referring to her as a rabbit. She avoided mentioning Siavash and he was the one to admit to his part in relaying the comments to Noirin.
How much more diplomatic could she have been, if you accept she had a right to find out what was going on? And she did have that right
Myabe by asking the people involved on a one to one basis, not doing it in front of the whole house where everyone was listening. That would have been the way I would have handled it.
quote:Originally posted by The Guru:quote:Originally posted by Lindsxdx:quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by Lindsxdx:
Ok, thats your opinion, mine is totally different and I am done dancing around this thread with you. As the old saying goes Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference
Good luck for the eviction this Friday, your girl is going to need it with all these intellectually challenged, self centred, uncaring, dimwitted individuals voting for her as we speak.
So says the person that whose argument revolves around claims that Noirin doesn't get on with Angel and Hira when the words of those very people contradict the baseless assertion, and can't tell a joke from anything else and can't see that Siavash's description of his girlfriend who isn't his girlfriend inevitably attracts banter.
My arguement resolves around my opinion that Noirin is a manipulative madam who needs to make her mind up one way or the other. Does she want a relationship, does she not? Is she friends, is she not? Does she wants cuddles, does she not?
Does she want a r/ship in the house? Nope she doesn't and has said all along that she doesn't.
Is she friends or not? Yes, she's a friend.
Does she want cuddles or not? Yes, aslong as the ones she doesn't fancy (Sree/Marcus) don't get the wrong idea. Sadly they both wanted more, couldn't handle rejection and turned on her.
Beautifully put
a young girl looking for a summer of fun. She told the two odd balls she didn't fancy them countless times ..........and lets not pretend they're not odd balls (Sree has cut his wrists and Marcus has sulked and demonstrated odd behaviour recently) - they simply latched onto her because she smiled and gave them the time of day. The guy she quite fancies she has kissed and cuddled but ......told him she's not looking to get into a relationship.WHAT HAS SHE DONE WRONG?
"a young girl looking for a summer of fun"
Does she have to use people to enjoy herself tho.?
Does she have to use people to enjoy herself tho.?
quote:Originally posted by Videostar:
"a young girl looking for a summer of fun"
Does she have to use people to enjoy herself tho.?
It's called interacting. In order to have fun it's good if you interact with other people. Used them HOW? It's all about how you interpret - IMO she really hasn't used them at all. I know you'll not see it my way - and I will never see it yours ...................but if being pleasant to someone is using then God help us. It really isn't her fault that they've fell in love and she can't reciprocate.
If she's been using .........a hell of a lot of good it's done her eh?
quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:quote:Originally posted by Videostar:
"a young girl looking for a summer of fun"
Does she have to use people to enjoy herself tho.?
It's called interacting. In order to have fun it's good if you interact with other people. Used them HOW? It's all about how you interpret - IMO she really hasn't used them at all. I know you'll not see it my way - and I will never see it yours ...................but if being pleasant to someone is using then God help us. It really isn't her fault that they've fell in love and she can't reciprocate.
If she's been using .........a hell of a lot of good it's done her eh?
We will never agree which is fair enough, but im stunned that you cant see that Noirin has done certain things wrong in there.
Maybe shes not as bad as I paint her out to be as i've never liked her so might be biased, but shes no angel either.
I still blame her for ruining Marcus's time in there and who knows, Sree might still be there if it wasn't for her.
Is it worth reading 19 pages of trying to establish if Norin's VT is for real or not?
I already know the answer to that
I already know the answer to that
quote:Originally posted by evviva!:
Is it worth reading 19 pages of trying to establish if Norin's VT is for real or not?
I already know the answer to that
Oh yes.. there are some gems. Just mind the drips of acid.
quote:Originally posted by Videostar:quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:quote:Originally posted by Videostar:
"a young girl looking for a summer of fun"
Does she have to use people to enjoy herself tho.?
It's called interacting. In order to have fun it's good if you interact with other people. Used them HOW? It's all about how you interpret - IMO she really hasn't used them at all. I know you'll not see it my way - and I will never see it yours ...................but if being pleasant to someone is using then God help us. It really isn't her fault that they've fell in love and she can't reciprocate.
If she's been using .........a hell of a lot of good it's done her eh?
We will never agree which is fair enough, but im stunned that you cant see that Noirin has done certain things wrong in there.
Maybe shes not as bad as I paint her out to be as i've never liked her so might be biased, but shes no angel either.
I still blame her for ruining Marcus's time in there and who knows, Sree might still be there if it wasn't for her.
I can't believe you've said that TBH. It's pretty obvious BB trawled far and wide to find two odd balls. they found them in Sree and Marcus .....how unfortunate Noirin was too naive not to see that they were quite clearly cuckoo. Everyone else gave them a wide berth .............those two nut jobs have ruined her time in the house IMO.
BB have a lot to answer for ...............surely it's not too much to ask to put mentally stable people in the house.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by evviva!:
Is it worth reading 19 pages of trying to establish if Norin's VT is for real or not?
I already know the answer to that
Oh yes.. there are some gems. Just mind the drips of acid.
Does it go off topic at all, with people making completely random & ambiguous posts about people who should be evicted from GaGa/who flounce like Tom/who brown-nose the Mods?
quote:Originally posted by electric6:
*Scratches head*
But she's still not blonde.
Wondering why you think he/she thinks she's blonde leccy, or have I missed something?
*bites tongue*
quote:Originally posted by evviva!:quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by evviva!:
Is it worth reading 19 pages of trying to establish if Norin's VT is for real or not?
I already know the answer to that
Oh yes.. there are some gems. Just mind the drips of acid.
Does it go off topic at all, with people making completely random & ambiguous posts about people who should be evicted from GaGa/who flounce like Tom/who brown-nose the Mods?
I'm glad you're back Evvi
quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:quote:Originally posted by Videostar:quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:quote:Originally posted by Videostar:
"a young girl looking for a summer of fun"
Does she have to use people to enjoy herself tho.?
It's called interacting. In order to have fun it's good if you interact with other people. Used them HOW? It's all about how you interpret - IMO she really hasn't used them at all. I know you'll not see it my way - and I will never see it yours ...................but if being pleasant to someone is using then God help us. It really isn't her fault that they've fell in love and she can't reciprocate.
If she's been using .........a hell of a lot of good it's done her eh?
We will never agree which is fair enough, but im stunned that you cant see that Noirin has done certain things wrong in there.
Maybe shes not as bad as I paint her out to be as i've never liked her so might be biased, but shes no angel either.
I still blame her for ruining Marcus's time in there and who knows, Sree might still be there if it wasn't for her.
I can't believe you've said that TBH. It's pretty obvious BB trawled far and wide to find two odd balls. they found them in Sree and Marcus .....how unfortunate Noirin was too naive not to see that they were quite clearly cuckoo. Everyone else gave them a wide berth .............those two nut jobs have ruined her time in the house IMO.
BB have a lot to answer for ...............surely it's not too much to ask to put mentally stable people in the house.
All the HM's have mental issues of one kind or another, not just Sree and Marcus.
I still think Noirin is vry intelligent and saw that Sree and Marcus are ripe for the picking, she clearly never liked them and was never interested in them...but still never fully told them (from the start) that shes not interested in them romanticly.