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Originally posted by tupps:

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Your arguments have no logic or validity or any basis in evidence

I admit to not having the required capacity of attention (i.e. I could not be azzed) to read your meanderings, Flossie.

I imagine, like most of your posts, I would get a more coherent argument from a bunch of pre-schoolers with magic markers than I would from you. Particularly as you seem to be led by the contents of your trousers on this one.

But I do wish to take issue with one minor point which I have quoted above.

This is a forum where opinions are posted. O P I N I O N. Now, as a self appointed bright spark in the forum of otherwise intellectually challenged dullards, you should know, opinion does not require such things as logic or validity. It is fact, F A C T, which requires empirical evidence et al.

If you are going to throw your forum weight around and sell yourself as the forum brainiac and condescending bastard.. then please do get it straight.

Well most people like to base their opinions on evidence and logic, at least I like to think they do, you are obviously an exception.

*tries to remember where he appointed himself as anything and heaves his intellectual weight onto the Quantum Physics forum*

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Originally posted by Flossie:

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Your arguments have no logic or validity or any basis in evidence

I admit to not having the required capacity of attention (i.e. I could not be azzed) to read your meanderings, Flossie.

I imagine, like most of your posts, I would get a more coherent argument from a bunch of pre-schoolers with magic markers than I would from you. Particularly as you seem to be led by the contents of your trousers on this one.

But I do wish to take issue with one minor point which I have quoted above.

This is a forum where opinions are posted. O P I N I O N. Now, as a self appointed bright spark in the forum of otherwise intellectually challenged dullards, you should know, opinion does not require such things as logic or validity. It is fact, F A C T, which requires empirical evidence et al.

If you are going to throw your forum weight around and sell yourself as the forum brainiac and condescending bastard.. then please do get it straight.

Well most people like to base their opinions on evidence and logic, at least I like to think they do, you are obviously an exception.

*tries to remember where he appointed himself as anything and heaves his intellectual weight onto the Quantum Physics forum*

yes, that's right, I am obviously an exception..

Now is that your opinion, or are you basing this on empirical evidence and presenting this as fact?

Be careful with your answer now.. and do bear in mind the criteria you apply to opinion for it to be 'valid' in the world of the plastic garden chair jumping Flossie.

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Originally posted by *BB*:

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Originally posted by Videostar:

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Originally posted by *BB*:
Flossie has a huge crush on Noirin. They say love is blind.

Every year he defends with his computer life a female HM, no matter what their behaviour in the house is like.

Usually they are blonde, so at least this year he's changed the hair colour of his chosen one.

So he is a love-struck blind attention-seeker.

You said that but I couldn't possibly comment.

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Originally posted by Jeggo:
I can see where you`re coming from Flossie, but everyone`s perspective is based on their own experiences. A good barrister can make jack the ripper innocent (exaggeration but you know what I mean).

As someone said, its all squashed into a powerful essence in that house - everything is heightened plus no one`s getting cuddles/strokes/sex etc.

I don`t think Norine is pretty - don`t think Siavash would look twice at her outside of the house.

If its such a painful experience for her having all these fellas fall in love with her - then WHY get under the duvets with them - and WHY undo your bra and let the fella paint your back. I`m sure Charlotte wouldn`t have lowered herself.

She was guilty of getting under the duvet once with Marcus because she has a genuine friendly affection for the guy and perhaps even she had not absolutely decided whether she would consider taking the relationship further.

Have you never been on the verge of a relationship and as the possibility becomes a reality you are forced to make a decision and really consider whether you want it and decide you don't?

I was a bit surprised about allowing Marcus to paint her back, but he was being very sensible with her at the time and he pleaded to do it and she was having little joy in interacting with others in the house, so she spread a little pleasure around and let him have what he wanted. She clearly did not intend him to lead him on, I also suspect she is very casual about friendly encounters because she exists in a loving environment with good friends where she is very open and accommodating. She is a nice person and at ease with herself and the friends she chooses.

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Originally posted by Flossie:
I also suspect she is very casual about friendly encounters because she exists in a loving environment with good friends where she is very open and accommodating. She is a nice person and at ease with herself and the friends she chooses.

And your evidence for that opinion is ?

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She was guilty of getting under the duvet once with Marcus because she has a genuine friendly affection for the guy and perhaps even she had not absolutely decided whether she would consider taking the relationship further

Oh man Flossie, you crack me up.

Does even her most loyal Irish fans out there seriously believe that she ever considered taking their relationship further, eve for one split second.?

Oh, Flossie, I started reading and thought I was going to agree with you!

I do think she attracts men without lifting a finger and it has caused huge problems for her in the house, but I haven't forgotten her shrew-like treatment of some housemates and I really can't see how she is judged 'intelligent'.

I have defended her rather more than I've liked, but I still can't abide her.

She's no Aisleyne!

So, all that aside, do we reckon she puts out when she's on a night out?

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
So, all that aside, do we reckon she puts out when she's on a night out?

Charlotte?

Yeah!

She isn't that attractive, or that interesting.

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Originally posted by Bethni:
(quote)She has silkly smooth social skills and she uses them wisely and considerately.


Flossie, did you watch her attack on Angel over doing the dishes? She used no social skills there... only the power of her mouth, ( of which she has a big one).Noirin is considerate...of herself and no one else. She labelled Freddie and Siavash freaks and told Marcus her only reason for not spending time with him was because he spend most of his time with them.Yet that very afternoon she was telling Lisa she was uncomfortable in Marcus' company and wanted away from him. She told Sophie she was attracted to Tom, yet she told Marcus she didn't like or trus him. When she was in bed with Tom her reason for leaving was, 'i better go before i get into trouble', yet when relaying the same occurance to Marcus it changed to, 'I'm not having ny of this, i'm outta here'. Totally different.
You can write as many essays as you wish on the benevolent, hard done by Noirin but I've witnesses her cunning with my own eyes and will stick to my own opinion.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooook

I think it would be unfair to call her comments to Angel an "attack", Noirin was just miffed that Angel was contributing nothing whereas she was always contributing. Noirin is entitled to complain about people who don't contribute and she made the complaint in a completely non-malicious manner. One can argue Angel was entitled to avoid making a contribution because she was nominated but I really don't think that argument washes, I don't think time is one thing hms are short of and Angel could easily find the time to make her appropriate contribution.

It seems to me that some BB viewers always object to hms who contribute to the group and take responsibility for domestic tasks and ask other hms to participate as well, and do not criticise the selfish and indulgent hms when these hms should be the focus of criticism.

To argue that she is not considerate of others is patently ridiculous, she contributes more to the domestic tasks such as cooking than most of the others. She is quite obviously considerate of the feelings of others. To argue anything else is just ridiculous.

I explained in a post above why she would NOT be stupid enough to admit to Marcus why she might be considering liking Tom ! I can't believe that people consider that her not admitting to Marcus that she is at least provisionally friendly with Tom! Have you not seen how Marcus behaves when he perceives other people are taking an interest in her, and how this behaviour is exacerbated when he thinks she might be responding to such advances? She doesn't wish to pain Marcus and does not wish to suffer his aggrieved responses!

I wonder if some posters are engaging even a small percentage of their brainpower before committing thoughts to the forum.

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by RENTON:
Are we all watching the same stuff?

Seriously how can anyone defend her - saying she has caused none of this male attention

Yes the men are responsible for their own actions

And so is Noirin

Renton I like you are seeing her for what she is. I personally do not have a problem if another disagrees or sees Noirin in a totally different way. Debate good, getting personal bad.

I think your cynicism, naivety, personal issues, non-functional perceptive abilities or some social blind spot are preventing you from seeing the screamingly obvious and not so obvious merits of Noirin.

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
I read it and struggled to spot in Noirion many of the positive traits the writer attributed to her. I further struggled to remember anything I've seen of Marcus suggestive that he is thoughtful, pleasant or mature. I wondered if Charlotte Rampling would have sat on the knee of Marcus for half a can of cider?
So, I'm now curious which category I must fall into : stupid, jealous or resentful as I don't recognise any of those traits in myself.
Well done 'though Flossie for your character assasinations of every single hm apart from Noirion and Marcus and every single fm who isn't a fan of Noirion, (I think that leaves about 5 or 6 fms who you have left out!)
Oh, and btw it really gets on my when people say empathetic instead of empathic

Perhaps I should have included in the Noirin hating contingent those people who are simply confused by social interactions and social skills and the nuances therein.

Empathetic is in the Oxford English Dictionary

http://www.askoxford.com/resul...rtorder=score%2Cname

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
A fm has self appointed themself as the most: intelligent, logical, factual, perceptive, understanding, insightful, wise and socially skilled person on here...now surely that's looking for trouble?

I never made any such claim, but I recognise people who don't have those skills and I recognise the presence or lack of them in hms.

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Originally posted by paace:
Dear oh dear Flossie, you expect us to read your essay on Noirin.

Why not? It's better than watching the Lucozade trailers.

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Originally posted by Flossie:

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by RENTON:
Are we all watching the same stuff?

Seriously how can anyone defend her - saying she has caused none of this male attention

Yes the men are responsible for their own actions

And so is Noirin

Renton I like you are seeing her for what she is. I personally do not have a problem if another disagrees or sees Noirin in a totally different way. Debate good, getting personal bad.

I think your cynicism, naivety, personal issues, non-functional perceptive abilities or some social blind spot are preventing you from seeing the screamingly obvious and not so obvious merits of Noirin.

Uber patronising!

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Originally posted by Flossie:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
I read it and struggled to spot in Noirion many of the positive traits the writer attributed to her. I further struggled to remember anything I've seen of Marcus suggestive that he is thoughtful, pleasant or mature. I wondered if Charlotte Rampling would have sat on the knee of Marcus for half a can of cider?
So, I'm now curious which category I must fall into : stupid, jealous or resentful as I don't recognise any of those traits in myself.
Well done 'though Flossie for your character assasinations of every single hm apart from Noirion and Marcus and every single fm who isn't a fan of Noirion, (I think that leaves about 5 or 6 fms who you have left out!)
Oh, and btw it really gets on my when people say empathetic instead of empathic

Perhaps I should have included in the Noirin hating contingent those people who are simply confused by social interactions and social skills and the nuances therein.

Empathetic is in the Oxford English Dictionary

http://www.askoxford.com/resul...rtorder=score%2Cname

Ummmmm I like a good debate... and am happy to read both sides of any argument....but I am sorry, I do not think point scoring by taking digs at other FM's does anything to uphold your argument.

no gentle social skills here...

Charlotte Rambling?....who is she?

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Originally posted by Flossie:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
I read it and struggled to spot in Noirion many of the positive traits the writer attributed to her. I further struggled to remember anything I've seen of Marcus suggestive that he is thoughtful, pleasant or mature. I wondered if Charlotte Rampling would have sat on the knee of Marcus for half a can of cider?
So, I'm now curious which category I must fall into : stupid, jealous or resentful as I don't recognise any of those traits in myself.
Well done 'though Flossie for your character assasinations of every single hm apart from Noirion and Marcus and every single fm who isn't a fan of Noirion, (I think that leaves about 5 or 6 fms who you have left out!)
Oh, and btw it really gets on my when people say empathetic instead of empathic

Perhaps I should have included in the Noirin hating contingent those people who are simply confused by social interactions and social skills and the nuances therein. It really is not necessary to personally attack and denegrate others in an attempt to further your own argument.

Empathetic is in the Oxford English Dictionary I'm perfectly aware that the word empathic has been changed in modern culture to 'empathetic' by some and hence adopted - it annoys me!

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:
This is my take on the ever so boring Noricus situation:

Said weeks ago Noirin is playing a very dangerous game with Marcus.

She is so desperate for fame, to me she no longer has a soul. Noirin has used Marcus to do her bidding, fight her battles and generally been her protector from Sree, and then Lisa, when Noirin decided to defect from Team Lisa.

Noirin has used Marcus.

Marcus has misread every single contact he's had with Noirin when she sat with him, laughed with him, flirted with him, Marcus read that as Noirin having a soft spot for him, The sad thing is that Marcus sees Noirin as a friend he cares about her, whilst Noirin only cares about Noirin.

The issue I have with Marcus is the way he objectifies women, he's crude, lewd, and has terrible social skills, watch Marcus when the newbies came in, he looked pitiful.

Marcus at root has low self esteem, this manifest in Marcus with jealousy,aggression, malice and delusional ideas about himself and how he views himself.

This is the Noirin I too have been watching Senora.

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by Flossie:

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by RENTON:
Are we all watching the same stuff?

Seriously how can anyone defend her - saying she has caused none of this male attention

Yes the men are responsible for their own actions

And so is Noirin

Renton I like you are seeing her for what she is. I personally do not have a problem if another disagrees or sees Noirin in a totally different way. Debate good, getting personal bad.

I think your cynicism, naivety, personal issues, non-functional perceptive abilities or some social blind spot are preventing you from seeing the screamingly obvious and not so obvious merits of Noirin.

Uber patronising!

No, he's just talking about himself really.

Is this the flossie who was a fan of The Bell Curve or was that someone else?

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Is this the flossie who was a fan of The Bell Curve or was that someone else?

Wasn't it the Shell Curve?

Didn't Flossie support the ever awful Emma from BB5?

No I didn't, you are completely wrong, as usual. I was one of her harshest critics. But then you must be used to being wrong, because you invariably misunderstand what is going on around you and in BB in particular.

I have never known anyone to so consistently misunderstand events and people in BB. It is almost as though you are completely unfamiliar with the being a person or social interactions.

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Originally posted by
Perhaps I should have included in the Noirin hating contingent those people who are simply confused by social interactions and social skills and the nuances therein. It really is not necessary to personally attack and denegrate others in an attempt to further your own argument.

Well I despair that decent people seem to be misinterpreted and maligned by viewers who are confused, incapable of analysing social interactions and as well as those who allow resentment or other negative emotions to interfere with sensible judgement.

Yes of course ,WHY didnt we see it before....we females are of course all jealous of other females,we dont have the intelligence to decide on character,morals etc.....no...its all about jealousy...so glad your 3000 word anti women diatribe wasnt all in vain.
Carry on with the women hating.

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Originally posted by evviva!:
"Silky smooth social skills"? Comparable to "Charlotte Rampling"?! Sorry, but this calls for my especially emphatic emoticon....

"Silky smooth social skills" would surely have to include the ability to converse with ease. The girl can barely string an articulate sentence together. That is, when she talks at all. From what I've seen so far, she mostly sits about pouting & looking miserable.

She's a "coquette", minus the scintillating personality. Her attitude with men who might be of use to her in there can, in a way, be likened to a seasoned Burlesque dancer who uses many fans to tantalise....offer a hint of good things to come...but never ever giving it up.

But, hey, Flossie's smitten again. Same script. Different name.......

Same with the odious Katie Hopkins in The Apprentice...sad really.

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Originally posted by demonickitten:
Yes of course ,WHY didnt we see it before....we females are of course all jealous of other females,we dont have the intelligence to decide on character,morals etc.....no...its all about jealousy...so glad your 3000 word anti women diatribe wasnt all in vain.
Carry on with the women hating.

But it wasn't a woman hating diatribe at all. It is natural I should focus on the confused critics of Noirin, I did not say that they were representative of womanhood or the forum.

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Originally posted by Flossie:
No I didn't, you are completely wrong, as usual. I was one of her harshest critics. But then you must be used to being wrong, because you invariably misunderstand what is going on around you and in BB in particular.

I have never known anyone to so consistently misunderstand events and people in BB. It is almost as though you are completely unfamiliar with the being a person or social interactions.

Thankyou for your kind words floss...but the same could be said of you by those who disagree with you.

It's all about opinions.

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Originally posted by pepsi:
Well apparently..... if we don't like Noireen then we are lacking in social skill and basically dim

that must be me then! grabs big white pointy hat paints a large D on it and sits in corner sucking thumb...........I DONT LIKE NOIREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN.

does anyone else.. when reading the thread title.. think of Noirin as 'Harlot Rambling'...

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Originally posted by darloboy07:
I think Noirin is pretty , guess i'm the same as OP then lmao.

Darlo she might be pretty but how would we know as all we see is white teeth and a scowl.

And so now Noirin's responsibilities reach yet higher levels with Siavash becoming infatuated.

She now has to handle with extreme sensitivity both Siavaish and the inevitable emotional response from Marcus, which will be traumatic for her, Siavash, and others. The consequences on the group could be considerable with Tom perhaps choosing this moment to reciprocate Marcus' dislike of him. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Tom torture Marcus with Noirin's engagement with Siavash and there being a violent reaction from Marcus.

Hopefully Noirin's considerable social skills, intellect and consideration for the sensitivities of others are up to the task of preventing this situation getting out of control or at least to minimise the rattling of jail bars.

The demands placed on sensitive attractive women are considerable indeed, batten down the hatches.

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Originally posted by tupps:
She is a collector of compliments and complimentary men. She is an egotist. Neither of these things are attractive. Similarly her use of people to bolster her ego is not.

She is not a woman who is attractive and is innocent of this fact or the power that can give. She is not a woman who is immune to the hoops with which some may go through simply to have some of her attention.

And, perhaps what has come to light in the case of Siavash and last night's LF.. is that she is perfectly able to 'do the right thing' and encourage the man to walk away from the situation, but she is completely selfish enough not to let them. It would appear Noirin's ego strokes are far more important than someone's feelings.

She is nothing like Charlotte bloody Rampling.

I have only just started reading this thread but I have to say I agree 100% with that! ^^^^^

Tho the OP made an interesting read even if I disagree with quite a bit of it..

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:
This is my take on the ever so boring Noricus situation:

Said weeks ago Noirin is playing a very dangerous game with Marcus.

She is so desperate for fame, to me she no longer has a soul. Noirin has used Marcus to do her bidding, fight her battles and generally been her protector from Sree, and then Lisa, when Noirin decided to defect from Team Lisa.

Noirin has used Marcus.

Marcus has misread every single contact he's had with Noirin when she sat with him, laughed with him, flirted with him, Marcus read that as Noirin having a soft spot for him, The sad thing is that Marcus sees Noirin as a friend he cares about her, whilst Noirin only cares about Noirin.

The issue I have with Marcus is the way he objectifies women, he's crude, lewd, and has terrible social skills, watch Marcus when the newbies came in, he looked pitiful.

Marcus at root has low self esteem, this manifest in Marcus with jealousy,aggression, malice and delusional ideas about himself and how he views himself.

Still only on page one. . but agree with this one too

I am now spamming this thread so will stop quoting and just read it all instead

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Originally posted by Flossie:


Well I despair that decent people seem to be misinterpreted and maligned by viewers who are confused, incapable of analysing social interactions and as well as those who allow resentment or other negative emotions to interfere with sensible judgement.

Ahhhh....That would explain your earlier analysis of the other hms Loving the irony

At least one FM thought I resembled the delectable Charlotte when I posted my photo on the now deleted thread.

I have nowt else to add except to mention Specsavers

Just had to read this post again after all of the shenanigans so I could pmsl