I read it and struggled to spot in Noirion many of the positive traits the writer attributed to her. I further struggled to remember anything I've seen of Marcus suggestive that he is thoughtful, pleasant or mature. I wondered if Charlotte Rampling would have sat on the knee of Marcus for half a can of cider?
So, I'm now curious which category I must fall into : stupid, jealous or resentful as I don't recognise any of those traits in myself.
Well done 'though Flossie for your character assasinations of every single hm apart from Noirion and Marcus and every single fm who isn't a fan of Noirion, (I think that leaves about 5 or 6 fms who you have left out!)
Oh, and btw it really gets on my when people say empathetic instead of empathic

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
i'm with flossie

you're doomed..

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
i'm with flossie

you're doomed..

i'm a survivor me..

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Noirin's sophisticated gentle social skills and consideration for others may not be apparent to the social inept or intellectually challenged viewer but it is apparent to the rest of us.

This is my particular favourite of the post 'soundbites'.

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
i'm a survivor me..

cryptic..

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Noirin's sophisticated gentle social skills and consideration for others may not be apparent to the social inept or intellectually challenged viewer but it is apparent to the rest of us.

This is my particular favourite of the post 'soundbites'.

Yes Tupps i was rather taken with that snippit myself

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Originally posted by Bethni:

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Noirin's sophisticated gentle social skills and consideration for others may not be apparent to the social inept or intellectually challenged viewer but it is apparent to the rest of us.

This is my particular favourite of the post 'soundbites'.

Yes Tupps i was rather taken with that snippit myself

It's a bit rich I thought, calling people socially inept and intellectually challenged..

..particularly from someone who posts pictures of themselves leaping over garden furniture.. cheap plastic garden furniture!


But I digress..

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Originally posted by Bethni:

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Noirin's sophisticated gentle social skills and consideration for others may not be apparent to the social inept or intellectually challenged viewer but it is apparent to the rest of us.

This is my particular favourite of the post 'soundbites'.

Yes Tupps i was rather taken with that snippit myself

I'll have you know I have very gentle social skills

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Originally posted by paace:
I'll have you know I have very gentle social skills

this is why we miss them..

I am LOVING this thread!

A fm has self appointed themself as the most: intelligent, logical, factual, perceptive, understanding, insightful, wise and socially skilled person on here...now surely that's looking for trouble?

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
A fm has self appointed themself as the most: intelligent, logical, factual, perceptive, understanding, insightful, wise and socially skilled person on here...now surely that's looking for trouble?

Sounds like just another day on the forum to me.

Charlotte Rampling was married to Jean Michelle Jarre for years,till he dumped her for a younger model.hello Flossie.

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
A fm has self appointed themself as the most: intelligent, logical, factual, perceptive, understanding, insightful, wise and socially skilled person on here...now surely that's looking for trouble?

I know, I keep popping back in to see who else is feeling insulted

Well apparently..... if we don't like Noireen then we are lacking in social skill and basically dim

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Originally posted by pepsi:
Well apparently..... if we don't like Noireen then we are lacking in social skill and basically dim

Seem to remember the words were: stupid, jealous or resentful....think that the poster must have gone on the same social skills training course as Noirion there's a refund for 'em

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Originally posted by pepsi:
Well apparently..... if we don't like Noireen then we are lacking in social skill and basically dim

Or just plain jealous because we can't lead men round by their dangly bits

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Originally posted by pepsi:
Well apparently..... if we don't like Noireen then we are lacking in social skill and basically dim

It's a thesis he's been pushing for YEARS (just insert a different name according to which reality TV female he finds attractive).

I'm willing to accept his diagnosis; it's (almost always) a bargain when one considers the alternative, i.e., subscribing to his opinion.

And Tupps?

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Noirin's sophisticated gentle social skills and consideration for others may not be apparent to the social inept or intellectually challenged viewer but it is apparent to the rest of us.

This is my particular favourite of the post 'soundbites'.

Cracking isn't it?

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Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:

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Originally posted by pepsi:
Well apparently..... if we don't like Noireen then we are lacking in social skill and basically dim

It's a thesis he's been pushing for YEARS (just insert a different name according to which reality TV female he finds attractive).

I'm willing to accept his diagnosis; it's (almost always) a bargain when one considers the alternative, i.e., subscribing to his opinion.

And Tupps?

I know

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Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
It's a thesis he's been pushing for YEARS (just insert a different name according to which reality TV female he finds attractive).

I'm willing to accept his diagnosis; it's (almost always) a bargain when one considers the alternative, i.e., subscribing to his opinion.

And Tupps?

Yesssss?

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by Bethni:

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Noirin's sophisticated gentle social skills and consideration for others may not be apparent to the social inept or intellectually challenged viewer but it is apparent to the rest of us.

This is my particular favourite of the post 'soundbites'.

Yes Tupps i was rather taken with that snippit myself

It's a bit rich I thought, calling people socially inept and intellectually challenged..

..particularly from someone who posts pictures of themselves leaping over garden furniture.. cheap plastic garden furniture!


But I digress..

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
It's a thesis he's been pushing for YEARS (just insert a different name according to which reality TV female he finds attractive).

I'm willing to accept his diagnosis; it's (almost always) a bargain when one considers the alternative, i.e., subscribing to his opinion.

And Tupps?

Yesssss?

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Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:

I just love his profound essays that appear very intellectual but are in fact full of hot air and cotton wool

Wonder why people come onto the forum and think its cliquey (is that even a word).

"Silky smooth social skills"? Comparable to "Charlotte Rampling"?! Sorry, but this calls for my especially emphatic emoticon....

"Silky smooth social skills" would surely have to include the ability to converse with ease. The girl can barely string an articulate sentence together. That is, when she talks at all. From what I've seen so far, she mostly sits about pouting & looking miserable.

She's a "coquette", minus the scintillating personality. Her attitude with men who might be of use to her in there can, in a way, be likened to a seasoned Burlesque dancer who uses many fans to tantalise....offer a hint of good things to come...but never ever giving it up.

But, hey, Flossie's smitten again. Same script. Different name.......

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Originally posted by shar69:
Wonder why people come onto the forum and think its cliquey (is that even a word).

Thank the lord...I disagree with Flossie again, I'd be very worried if I didn't.

Noirin used up Sree, shes used up Marcus and now shes moved onto her next victim in Siavash.

She is attractive (although nothing special)but she uses her looks to her own selfish advantage.

Shes admitted herself that she uses her looks to get what she wants which means shes all but admitted that she uses men (which proves me right about her).

As for Noirin " maintining her honesty and generous spirit" is this the sme woman who nominated Freddie minutes after he gave her that gift of removing the drawn on glasses and tash? is this the same woman who admitted to Sree that she and everyone lies all the time?

Flossie blinded by another pretty face it seems.

Flossie I salute you

Over the years you have kept me amused and given me many a giggle. That's one thing I can thank you for

Can I also point out Charlotte Rampling might have been talking bollocks to make herself sound good.


*is aware has missed the point here slightly but thought I'd mention this anyway*

I think i'll just stick my 'rants' about Noirin in a writing pad beside the pc and keep my posts to possitive thinking . I'm starting to get a complex

Flossie has a huge crush on Noirin. They say love is blind.

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Originally posted by tupps:
She is a collector of compliments and complimentary men. She is an egotist. Neither of these things are attractive. Similarly her use of people to bolster her ego is not.

She is not a woman who is attractive and is innocent of this fact or the power that can give. She is not a woman who is immune to the hoops with which some may go through simply to have some of her attention.

And, perhaps what has come to light in the case of Siavash and last night's LF.. is that she is perfectly able to 'do the right thing' and encourage the man to walk away from the situation, but she is completely selfish enough not to let them. It would appear Noirin's ego strokes are far more important than someone's feelings.



She is nothing like Charlotte bloody Rampling.

I totally agree Tupps.

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by Flossie:
How can you offer such an argument when she has forcefully demanded that she receive no compliments from Marcus?

When compliments have been offered by others she has also not encourage them further.

She has less ego than most of the others in there. I would say her ego was also better developed than all of the others, her maturity shines through. She makes no attempt to ingratiate or dismiss others or to make a show and she treats everybody with the same consideration and gives herself no special dispensation. These are not the acts of an egotist or someone desperate for attention.

She has silkly smooth social skills and she uses them wisely and considerately.

I really can't see any substance whatsoever in your points and they are contradicted by reality.

I can offer any opinion I like..

Forcefully demanded she receive no compliments? Well, that’s like me forcefully demanding my barista makes me a skinny wet latte only to discover they have made it with full fat milk.. and drinking it anyway! If you do not want compliments do not fish for them, do not accept them, counter them: for it is pointless forcefully demanding anything if your actions do not back up your words.

Are you watching the same show as the rest of us? Maturity.. consideration.. gives herself no special dispensation? You are kidding right? We are talking about the same Noirin? The one who is a playground tittle tattle, shows her proverbial knickers to the boys and then complains when they look or make a comment, hangs a friend out to dry having promised to keep a confidence etc… that Noirin?

I would hardly say her social skills were silky smooth. If they were she would be able to have those people in her corner for who she is rather than in some pathetic hope that it could mean more.

I can’t see very much substance in your argument: it is your opinion and seemingly not one formulated on having watched any of the show. I imagine it is posted in order to enjoy the clicky, click, click sound of your keyboard.. very good.. carry on.

But she did not fish for compliments! What have you been watching? She REPEATEDLY asked Marcus not to compliment her. What more can she do besides refuse to talk to the guy and isolate herself? Perhaps you think she should actively ostracise Marcus and refuse to have any interaction with him whatsoever?

She does like Marcus as a friend and he is one of the few people with which she can converse intelligently so as well as not wishing to make him miserable by refusing to have any sort of engagement with him, she would be denying herself a friend.

"A playground tittle tattle"? What gibberish is this? If you are referring to her relaying Siavash's rabbit comment, which you seem to be referring to later in your post, then your criticism is doubly idiotic. She had no obligation to Siavash to keep that information confidential, she was entitled to find out if there was any truth in his claims and whether or not he was playing some game to alienate her from the Lisa coven. Even we as viewers and with the benefit of the tv coverage are unsure whether Siavash was telling the truth, so how on earth was she supposed to know what the truth is?

Had an acquaintance of yours informed you that another acquaintance had been disparaging you, I bet you would have confronted the relevant people. Bear in mind that she did regard Kris as a friend at this point.

As for your "knickers" accusation I have no idea what you are talking about and I suspect this is part of your imagination given your skewed perspective on other parts of her behaviour.

Your arguments have no logic or validity or any basis in evidence.

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Your arguments have no logic or validity or any basis in evidence

I admit to not having the required capacity of attention (i.e. I could not be azzed) to read your meanderings, Flossie.

I imagine, like most of your posts, I would get a more coherent argument from a bunch of pre-schoolers with magic markers than I would from you. Particularly as you seem to be led by the contents of your trousers on this one.

But I do wish to take issue with one minor point which I have quoted above.

This is a forum where opinions are posted. O P I N I O N. Now, as a self appointed bright spark in the forum of otherwise intellectually challenged dullards, you should know, opinion does not require such things as logic or validity. It is fact, F A C T, which requires empirical evidence et al.

If you are going to throw your forum weight around and sell yourself as the forum brainiac and condescending bastard.. then please do get it straight.

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Originally posted by *BB*:
Flossie has a huge crush on Noirin. They say love is blind.

Every year he defends with his computer life a female HM, no matter what their behaviour in the house is like.

Usually they are blonde, so at least this year he's changed the hair colour of his chosen one.

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by Flossie:

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by Flossie:

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:
This is my take on the ever so boring Noricus situation:

Said weeks ago Noirin is playing a very dangerous game with Marcus.

She is so desperate for fame, to me she no longer has a soul. Noirin has used Marcus to do her bidding, fight her battles and generally been her protector from Sree, and then Lisa, when Noirin decided to defect from Team Lisa.

Noirin has used Marcus.

Marcus has misread every single contact he's had with Noirin when she sat with him, laughed with him, flirted with him, Marcus read that as Noirin having a soft spot for him, The sad thing is that Marcus sees Noirin as a friend he cares about her, whilst Noirin only cares about Noirin.

Noirin has consistently shown consideration for all other hms.

She has asked Marcus not to engage her on her side in any conflict, in complete contradiction to your comments.

She at one point actively avoided him for a few days to redefine the relationship, which upset him. If she were some sort of manipulator who wished to deploy Marcus she would not have done that and would be assailing him with requests.

If were female and had Sree chasing after me I think I would go to anyone for solice.

None of your comments on Noirin have any bearing on reality.

I stand by view and comments about Noirin, it is my opinion, and we do not agree, no big deal really is it?

But your comments are just opinion and have no basis in evidence.

My analysis is based on evidence.

Believe me hun so is mine. Noirin is a user and an arch manipulator, I used to sympathise with her in the begining with Marcus but I'm kinda wise to her game. By her own admission to Marcus, she said she uses her looks to get what she wants, and although she followed this up with I'd like to change though, I somehow do not believe her. She openly admitted to Sophie to being attracted to Tom, she also told Sophie she found Marcus slimey...Yet in front of Marcus she denies fancying Tom. She claims Marcus is her best mate in the house, so why go to Sophie and tell her she finds him slimey?

Of course she is going to deny fancying Tom to Marcus! For goodness sake to do anything else would invite the rage of Marcus, cause him considerable distress and in turn cause her distress.

Like anybody who is considerate and possessed of social skills she tries to soothe people where she can and avoid unnecessary conflict.

I despair at your logic if you think she should have done anything else, particularly given that any attraction towards Tom is provisional until she gets to know him better and may never be anything more than mild and is subject to change. So anything she says will reflect a provisional opinion and be speculative.

I think she does regard Marcus as slimey in some ways and ALSO regards him as her best friend, these positions are not incompatible. She regards him as slimey because of his sexual advances to her and his refusal to take no for an answer, yet she appreciates that he does like her on several levels and finds her genuine company.

I think she has few friends in the house so I think Marcus having the title of best friend was not difficult to achieve. As I described in my main post, the friendship options in the house are pretty poor for someone of her intellect and maturity.

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Originally posted by Videostar:

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Originally posted by *BB*:
Flossie has a huge crush on Noirin. They say love is blind.

Every year he defends with his computer life a female HM, no matter what their behaviour in the house is like.

Usually they are blonde, so at least this year he's changed the hair colour of his chosen one.

So he is a love-struck blind attention-seeker.

I think Noirin is pretty , guess i'm the same as OP then lmao.