My post wasn't inflammatory at all, I wasn't rude or nasty in my views on this subject, just my opinion rightly or wrongly....im open to being proved wrong in a respectful debate, im not saying my opinion is the right one...it's just my opinion.

TBH I doubt very very much the person you're referring to would have such an opinion of you or  anyone.

Yes, that was strong,  but I am having to defend myself here.

If you read carefully the posts I had from this person you will see what my point is, maybe I read between the lines but thats how I saw their replies to mean.

I have read the posts and can't see what your point is that you resorted to saying what you did tbh,I'm sure I'm not alone thinking all the reading between the lines in the world would never offer up the conclusion you arrived at.

Thanks, Lee.  I find it quite interesting that, in the time it's taken me to go downstairs, have a smoke a make a cup of tea, someone who has complained vociferously against being ganged up on, is now trying to persuade others to gang up on me.

*headdesk* Ok, maybe it's just me, but I find using the word 'retarded' to suggest someone is of lesser intelligence is bang out of order. And yes, I am well aware you were using it as an example of how you were apparently being made to feel, but (again, IMHO) it's wrong.

Give me one good reason why Nadia's genitals are any of your business?

The ones who are slating you, yeah, it is their's coz they want/hope/wish for a tolerant society....they want/hope/wish/ for people to just get on wi' stuff and be as content as they can be.  Bigotry and hatred affects us all Grumpy.

OMG it has struck me,VS was Sammy Peppers mentor,

This, plus as many thumbs up as I can find

Oh wow - stir the shit, don't like having it flung back?

As they say though the more you trod in pooh the more it spreads..*Holds nose*....I suggest a retreat immediately 

Me too, it's a disgusting word. But coming from someone who thinks they have the right to tell a transgendered person they're 'against nature' without anyone disagreeing, I'm not surprised.

I know... it's just that my dander gets up (whoooh, watch that dander!) when someone practically accuses me of bullying them on here, just for offering a counter-argument to theirs. I'm sure anyone reading this thread will know I didn't.

I said it wasn't my business,   I really hope you dont think im bigoted because Im not.


I wont mention this subject again,  I know im hated on here now but I stand by my opinion.

I didn't stir any shit, I thought I was just posting an opinion.

Deman, I just honestly don't get why some folks relish making people feel like shite.

FFS Nadia...never hurt anyone as far as I know...and even if she did...not over owt anyone could help/fix....why the hell are people castigated for that is outside their control

Is this not martyrdom?  Is it not?  :|

For god's sake..
Stop being so melodramatic. I don't hate you. I don't hate anyone. You didn't run over my hamster or anything. I just disagreed with you. And I didn't take kindly to you attributing stuff to  me that I never said.
Let's draw a line -----------------

No not at all, But I think it's probably true.

Vids, don't do that...you're better debater than that.

Well I still think you did,  I am the best at taking people disagreeing with me as i've had alot of practice    but Im very sensitive to insults. 



I did apologise to you tho if I was in the wrong.

Well I dont feel my opinion is valued (whether im right or wrong)

That's a qualified apology, not a real one. People can make their own minds up from reading this thread as to whether i insulted you or not. I know I didn't.

I gave you an opportunity to draw a line, but you still want to go..

This thread is now approaching lolacaust. 

You can't say I haven't tried. But I'm up against Hevva MkII

I think that really does depend on what your opinion is of a particular subject.

I apologised to you some time back a couple of pages ago, but you still ignore it.

Not enough apostrophes or anger at pensioners taking up seats on the bus. (Yet)

You mean my opinion must be "the acceptable one"  ?

What's the score then?

Rock 0 Hardplace 0

Well seeing as it's just little old me vs Demantoid and all of their friends and their little put downs im onto a loser here.

No, what I mean is you say your opinion is not valued. Why should it be? In the same way I suppose that you would think why should someone else's opinion be valued that is different to yours.

Some subjects and points of view will not rest easy with some if they have been, or know someone who your opinion could directly insult, or if they just don't believe that your point of view is fair or just.  Nobody's saying you don't have the right to your opinions, but just be prepared that what you say may come up against a huge wall of criticism, as using tonight's opinion as an example, it is clearly not ubiquitous.

Oh FFS. If you're that certain that what you think is right in regards to transgender then stand by what you say and stop retreating to victim mode when up against critique.

It's not valued because it's more than bit cacka, not, not valued because it's you...but for real...none or your business.  You are worrywhatevs...stressing...obsessing about Nadia's bits and bobs reflects on you...and only you.  Inny/outy...neeeeone cares...let the woman chil and be happy.  Cripes.

Can I just be anally pedantic and say that Deman is in fact, one person? Thanks.

Oh christ... can't it just be that more than one person disagrees with you?

Apparently not - it's me and all my 'friends', who I don't really know any better than you do. I can't stand this 'victim' crap. You post the most inflammatory post on this thread, then start boo-hooing when people react to it. It's bullshit, I'm afraid.

Karma, when I say valued, I just mean worthy of respectful debate NOT INSULTS, thats all.

I think we need a few copies of 'How to use a forum on the internet' issued in Braille.