Essex that's genius.. Essex that's genius..quote:Originally posted by kazzy:
Just watched the HL. Bloody Hell was a bit heavy
Help me guys I'm wavering
It was heavy yeah. I don't think anyone is denying she stuck it to him, I don't think anyone is denying he was upset.. for me though, he was embellishing when he recounted it back to Siavash and gaslighting when he recounted it back to her.. and that will immediately scream emotional head**** to me. I had sympathy.. he lost it as soon as he started doing that.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by kazzy:
Just watched the HL. Bloody Hell was a bit heavy
Help me guys I'm wavering
It was heavy yeah. I don't think anyone is denying she stuck it to him, I don't think anyone is denying he was upset.. for me though, he was embellishing when he recounted it back to Siavash and gaslighting when he recounted it back to her.. and that will immediately scream emotional head**** to me. I had sympathy.. he lost it as soon as he started doing that.
This is why you are the 'Brigades' spokesperson Tupps
Genuis casting Rawky
*still ninja like even tho she has to pee reeeeealy badly*
*still ninja like even tho she has to pee reeeeealy badly*
quote:Originally posted by Rawky-Roo:quote:Originally posted by kazzy:
Just watched the HL. Bloody Hell was a bit heavy
Help me guys I'm wavering
Freddie needed to be told, maybe in a nicer way, but he still needed to hear it.
Your still my sniper right?
Im not going AWOL just yet
It wasnt comfortable viewing though was it?
Saying that I think Freddies reaction was way OTT.
His simpering does my head in.
quote:Originally posted by kazzy:quote:Originally posted by Rawky-Roo:quote:Originally posted by kazzy:
Just watched the HL. Bloody Hell was a bit heavy
Help me guys I'm wavering
Freddie needed to be told, maybe in a nicer way, but he still needed to hear it.
Your still my sniper right?
Im not going AWOL just yet
It wasnt comfortable viewing though was it?
Saying that I think Freddies reaction was way OTT.
His simpering does my head in.
That's good to hear, now get back to your sniper spot soldier!
quote:Originally posted by Mummy Maz:quote:Originally posted by porto:quote:Originally posted by Mummy Maz:
Woooooo Porto!!
Welcome *gives uniform and poking stick*
Wear and poke with pride
Hiya Maz xx how you doing ???
I will - and poke somebody on here LOL - she is doing good is Bea an Intelligent girl and one who has a mind of her own !!xx
'ello luv! Not seen you around in a bit - is all ok?
Loving that you are with us on the Bea Front..she needs us, more than ever - long live the Bea!
Yes thanks Maz
i have been dotting around but the pleb known as halfwit which he is - a joke - twisting her words in a demented state leads me to believe he is ill and BB psychologists should get him out before its too late.Bea is a sharp lady and brighter that the halfwit !! clinical in her delivery ,no messing around and thats the way to be Maz - BEA TO WIN XXXXXX
quote:Originally posted by porto:quote:Originally posted by Mummy Maz:quote:Originally posted by porto:quote:Originally posted by Mummy Maz:
Woooooo Porto!!
Welcome *gives uniform and poking stick*
Wear and poke with pride
Hiya Maz xx how you doing ???
I will - and poke somebody on here LOL - she is doing good is Bea an Intelligent girl and one who has a mind of her own !!
'ello luv! Not seen you around in a bit - is all ok?
Loving that you are with us on the Bea Front..she needs us, more than ever - long live the Bea!
Yes thanks Maz
Bea is a sharp lady and brighter that the halfwit !! clinical in her delivery ,no messing around and thats the way to be Maz - BEA TO WIN XXXXXX
I was thinking the same thing Porto. Either he's faking it
or he is not psychologically stable enough to be in there.Hes apparantly over his trauma today as he is happily telling Marcus how he is confident of staying on Friday!
Any sympathy I had for Freddie whilst watching the HL... gone!
quote:Originally posted by Rawky-Roo:quote:Originally posted by kazzy:quote:Originally posted by Rawky-Roo:quote:Originally posted by kazzy:
Just watched the HL. Bloody Hell was a bit heavy
Help me guys I'm wavering
Freddie needed to be told, maybe in a nicer way, but he still needed to hear it.
Your still my sniper right?
Im not going AWOL just yet
It wasnt comfortable viewing though was it?
Saying that I think Freddies reaction was way OTT.
His simpering does my head in.
That's good to hear, now get back to your sniper spot soldier!
In position and ready for battle SIR!!
quote:Originally posted by Rawky-Roo:quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by kazzy:
Just watched the HL. Bloody Hell was a bit heavy
Help me guys I'm wavering
It was heavy yeah. I don't think anyone is denying she stuck it to him, I don't think anyone is denying he was upset.. for me though, he was embellishing when he recounted it back to Siavash and gaslighting when he recounted it back to her.. and that will immediately scream emotional head**** to me. I had sympathy.. he lost it as soon as he started doing that.
This is why you are the 'Brigades' spokesperson Tupps
I am? You do realise that I'm not a fully paid up Bea fan don't ya.. I'm not supporting any of them..
is it a paid position..
quote:I am? You do realise that I'm not a fully paid up Bea fan don't ya.. I'm not supporting any of them..
is it a paid position..
of course my love *pats head*
quote:Originally posted by kazzy:quote:Originally posted by porto:quote:Originally posted by Mummy Maz:quote:Originally posted by porto:quote:Originally posted by Mummy Maz:
Woooooo Porto!!
Welcome *gives uniform and poking stick*
Wear and poke with pride
Hiya Maz xx how you doing ???
I will - and poke somebody on here LOL - she is doing good is Bea an Intelligent girl and one who has a mind of her own !!
'ello luv! Not seen you around in a bit - is all ok?
Loving that you are with us on the Bea Front..she needs us, more than ever - long live the Bea!
Yes thanks Maz
Bea is a sharp lady and brighter that the halfwit !! clinical in her delivery ,no messing around and thats the way to be Maz - BEA TO WIN XXXXXX
I was thinking the same thing Porto. Either he's faking it
Hes apparantly over his trauma today as he is happily telling Marcus how he is confident of staying on Friday!
Any sympathy I had for Freddie whilst watching the HL... gone!
I cant stand freddie,but I thought Bea was brutal as she didnt stop when he became distressed and struggled speaking.I admit to having felt sorry for him at that point.But if hes saying he's confident hes staying to Marcs..the HM he's up against,he's clearly deluded.Unless hes thinking his little performance last night will have eaned him favours from the GBP.
I'm not denying he's a twat,but I thought she was brutal.
I've just watched the bit where she came in to the bedroom to speak to him after Rodrigo had said she should.
How anyone can see that as completely genuine is absolutely ****ing beyond me.
He started off not a quiver in his voice. When she said he was not repeating what happened the way it happened then he got indignant ans started the staccato voice.. and then bliddy proved her right by lying.. yes lying people.. about what she had in fact said.
If he didn't see that as a lie then that would worry me even more, because he is then one of those people who will have a conversation/disagreement and when it is over brood on it, re-run it and let the cracker factory re-write it in his head to fit his feelings. Then repeat it back to the person he had the conversation with as gospel.
That, dear chums, is emotional manipulation. I've used the phrase 'gaslighting' before.. and unless his memory is shot to all hell then that is what he doing in that clip.
How anyone can see that as completely genuine is absolutely ****ing beyond me.
He started off not a quiver in his voice. When she said he was not repeating what happened the way it happened then he got indignant ans started the staccato voice.. and then bliddy proved her right by lying.. yes lying people.. about what she had in fact said.
If he didn't see that as a lie then that would worry me even more, because he is then one of those people who will have a conversation/disagreement and when it is over brood on it, re-run it and let the cracker factory re-write it in his head to fit his feelings. Then repeat it back to the person he had the conversation with as gospel.
That, dear chums, is emotional manipulation. I've used the phrase 'gaslighting' before.. and unless his memory is shot to all hell then that is what he doing in that clip.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:
I've just watched the bit where she came in to the bedroom to speak to him after Rodrigo had said she should.
How anyone can see that as completely genuine is absolutely ****ing beyond me.
He started off not a quiver in his voice. When she said he was not repeating what happened the way it happened then he got indignant ans started the staccato voice.. and then bliddy proved her right by lying.. yes lying people.. about what she had in fact said.
If he didn't see that as a lie then that would worry me even more, because he is then one of those people who will have a conversation/disagreement and when it is over brood on it, re-run it and let the cracker factory re-write it in his head to fit his feelings. Then repeat it back to the person he had the conversation with as gospel.
That, dear chums, is emotional manipulation. I've used the phrase 'gaslighting' before.. and unless his memory is shot to all hell then that is what he doing in that clip.
And there we are ladies and gentlemen 'The Bea Brigade Spokesperson 2009'
quote:Originally posted by Mazzystar:quote:Originally posted by kazzy:quote:Originally posted by porto:quote:Originally posted by Mummy Maz:quote:Originally posted by porto:quote:Originally posted by Mummy Maz:
Woooooo Porto!!
Welcome *gives uniform and poking stick*
Wear and poke with pride
Hiya Maz xx how you doing ???
I will - and poke somebody on here LOL - she is doing good is Bea an Intelligent girl and one who has a mind of her own !!
'ello luv! Not seen you around in a bit - is all ok?
Loving that you are with us on the Bea Front..she needs us, more than ever - long live the Bea!
Yes thanks Maz
Bea is a sharp lady and brighter that the halfwit !! clinical in her delivery ,no messing around and thats the way to be Maz - BEA TO WIN XXXXXX
I was thinking the same thing Porto. Either he's faking it
Hes apparantly over his trauma today as he is happily telling Marcus how he is confident of staying on Friday!
Any sympathy I had for Freddie whilst watching the HL... gone!
I cant stand freddie,but I thought Bea was brutal as she didnt stop when he became distressed and struggled speaking.I admit to having felt sorry for him at that point.But if hes saying he's confident hes staying to Marcs..the HM he's up against,he's clearly deluded.Unless hes thinking his little performance last night will have eaned him favours from the GBP.
I'm not denying he's a twat,but I thought she was brutal.
Bea was brutal and it was uncomfortable to watch. Nobody wants to see a grown man in genuine distress but,I agree with Tupps it was only after she pointed out that she hadnt said the things he had relayed to other HMs he started with his body spasms and breathing problems
If and when I take myself off to be by myself to gather my thoughts, (yes and I admit perhaps wallow a little bit, and feel sorry for myself) I would be very annoyed if the person whom I was 'getting away from' came and played 'Job's comforter' it would make me even more upset. I really really wanted him to tell her to eff off, but then I wouldn't say that either, because I also wouldn't be able to get the words out, and would probably hyper ventilate. Which is what he did! Glad she effed off when she did though! At least it proved she has a scrap of understanding when she's gone too far!
Glad she effed off when she did though! At least it proved she has a scrap of understanding when she's gone too far! 
quote:Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
If and when I take myself off to be by myself to gather my thoughts, (yes and I admit perhaps wallow a little bit, and feel sorry for myself) I would be very annoyed if the person whom I was 'getting away from' came and played 'Job's comforter' it would make me even more upset. I really really wanted him to tell her to eff off, but then I wouldn't say that either, because I also wouldn't be able to get the words out, and would probably hyper ventilate. Which is what he did!
She has a scrap of understanding that the GBP might actually see that she's gone too far.
quote:Originally posted by squiggle:quote:Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
If and when I take myself off to be by myself to gather my thoughts, (yes and I admit perhaps wallow a little bit, and feel sorry for myself) I would be very annoyed if the person whom I was 'getting away from' came and played 'Job's comforter' it would make me even more upset. I really really wanted him to tell her to eff off, but then I wouldn't say that either, because I also wouldn't be able to get the words out, and would probably hyper ventilate. Which is what he did!
She has a scrap of understanding that the GBP might actually see that she's gone too far.
Yes!
quote:Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
If and when I take myself off to be by myself to gather my thoughts, (yes and I admit perhaps wallow a little bit, and feel sorry for myself) I would be very annoyed if the person whom I was 'getting away from' came and played 'Job's comforter' it would make me even more upset. I really really wanted him to tell her to eff off, but then I wouldn't say that either, because I also wouldn't be able to get the words out, and would probably hyper ventilate. Which is what he did!
Just noticed your Sig
quote:Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
If and when I take myself off to be by myself to gather my thoughts, (yes and I admit perhaps wallow a little bit, and feel sorry for myself) I would be very annoyed if the person whom I was 'getting away from' came and played 'Job's comforter' it would make me even more upset. I really really wanted him to tell her to eff off, but then I wouldn't say that either, because I also wouldn't be able to get the words out, and would probably hyper ventilate. Which is what he did!
and she was concerned about his 'over-acting rocking'
Ok Troops, we are being raided again, Shields up!
quote:Originally posted by kazzy:quote:Originally posted by porto:quote:Originally posted by Mummy Maz:quote:Originally posted by porto:quote:Originally posted by Mummy Maz:
Woooooo Porto!!
Welcome *gives uniform and poking stick*
Wear and poke with pride
Hiya Maz xx how you doing ???
I will - and poke somebody on here LOL - she is doing good is Bea an Intelligent girl and one who has a mind of her own !!
'ello luv! Not seen you around in a bit - is all ok?
Loving that you are with us on the Bea Front..she needs us, more than ever - long live the Bea!
Yes thanks Maz
Bea is a sharp lady and brighter that the halfwit !! clinical in her delivery ,no messing around and thats the way to be Maz - BEA TO WIN XXXXXX
I was thinking the same thing Porto. Either he's faking it
Hes apparantly over his trauma today as he is happily telling Marcus how he is confident of staying on Friday!
Any sympathy I had for Freddie whilst watching the HL... gone!
Me too - I think he is loosing / lost the plot and the garbage he waffles (not taking to account to deliver - the hhhhmmm ,wwwhhhooooo , whooooaaaas, and the dudes etc ) BB should remove him before he hurts himself.
quote:Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
If and when I take myself off to be by myself to gather my thoughts, (yes and I admit perhaps wallow a little bit, and feel sorry for myself) I would be very annoyed if the person whom I was 'getting away from' came and played 'Job's comforter' it would make me even more upset. I really really wanted him to tell her to eff off, but then I wouldn't say that either, because I also wouldn't be able to get the words out, and would probably hyper ventilate. Which is what he did!
Awww I bet you're lovely when you're grumpy and don't do John Gielgud impressions at all.
I'm glad she effed off when she did too.. because when you're face with gaslighting backed up with the vapours you don't stand a cat in hells chance.. you'll either come out of it thinking everything he has said the way he said it is correct and you are losing your marbles.. or you will put up a defence and they'll make you look like a shit.
quote:Originally posted by porto:quote:Originally posted by kazzy:quote:Originally posted by porto:quote:Originally posted by Mummy Maz:quote:Originally posted by porto:quote:Originally posted by Mummy Maz:
Woooooo Porto!!
Welcome *gives uniform and poking stick*
Wear and poke with pride
Hiya Maz xx how you doing ???
I will - and poke somebody on here LOL - she is doing good is Bea an Intelligent girl and one who has a mind of her own !!
'ello luv! Not seen you around in a bit - is all ok?
Loving that you are with us on the Bea Front..she needs us, more than ever - long live the Bea!
Yes thanks Maz
Bea is a sharp lady and brighter that the halfwit !! clinical in her delivery ,no messing around and thats the way to be Maz - BEA TO WIN XXXXXX
I was thinking the same thing Porto. Either he's faking it
Hes apparantly over his trauma today as he is happily telling Marcus how he is confident of staying on Friday!
Any sympathy I had for Freddie whilst watching the HL... gone!
Me too - I think he is loosing / lost the plot and the garbage he waffles (not taking to account to deliver - the hhhhmmm ,wwwhhhooooo , whooooaaaas, and the dudes etc ) BB should remove him before he hurts himself.
Its actually quite worrying that he is considering a career in politics. He will get ripped to shreds
You know what? I think we could get Cheeky-Pixie to join the brigade. She was a fan of hers but handed her 'wings' in yesterday.
If we could just drug her and play some mind games, she'll be ours. Mwahahahahaha.
If we could just drug her and play some mind games, she'll be ours. Mwahahahahaha.
fanny by gaslight !
sorry it just came to me
*raises poking stick... come 'ead, if you think ur hard enough*
sorry it just came to me
*raises poking stick... come 'ead, if you think ur hard enough*
quote:Originally posted by Rawky-Roo:quote:Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
If and when I take myself off to be by myself to gather my thoughts, (yes and I admit perhaps wallow a little bit, and feel sorry for myself) I would be very annoyed if the person whom I was 'getting away from' came and played 'Job's comforter' it would make me even more upset. I really really wanted him to tell her to eff off, but then I wouldn't say that either, because I also wouldn't be able to get the words out, and would probably hyper ventilate. Which is what he did!
and she was concerned about his 'over-acting rocking'
She wasn't "concerned" at all. She was hoping to start another round of negativity towards him! Marcus defused that particular ploy though!
I have to say.. as genius at being a pantomine villain Bea is.. she is getting on my lils with this positivity/negativity/aura malarkey.
quote:Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:quote:Originally posted by Rawky-Roo:quote:Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
If and when I take myself off to be by myself to gather my thoughts, (yes and I admit perhaps wallow a little bit, and feel sorry for myself) I would be very annoyed if the person whom I was 'getting away from' came and played 'Job's comforter' it would make me even more upset. I really really wanted him to tell her to eff off, but then I wouldn't say that either, because I also wouldn't be able to get the words out, and would probably hyper ventilate. Which is what he did!
and she was concerned about his 'over-acting rocking'
She wasn't "concerned" at all. She was hoping to start another round of negativity towards him! Marcus defused that particular ploy though!
Well what I saw was Rodney tell Bea that Freddie is very upset and she should talk to him. Bea looked quite gutted about this, goes in to try and talk to him, he doesn't want to know right now (which is probably fair enough), she leaves and says in a concerned voice to Marcus 'Look what he's doing' (in regards to his 'rocking')
But what do I know? I support Bea, I'm delusional
quote:Originally posted by tupps:
I have to say.. as genius at being a pantomine villain Bea is.. she is getting on my lils with this positivity/negativity/aura malarkey.
seeing as she obviously doesn't believe all that guff.quote:Originally posted by suzybean:quote:Originally posted by tupps:
I have to say.. as genius at being a pantomine villain Bea is.. she is getting on my lils with this positivity/negativity/aura malarkey.
That is as fake as her antique/retro clothes collection.. of which most can be bought in Top Shop.
I just know in 10 years time she'll be in Hunters and a wax jacket mucking out the ponies and screaming at little Jacinta and Tarquin.. and there won't be any of this positivity guff in sight.
I still like her though.. she's fascinating telly.
Is it safe in here?
Bea did kinda, 'kick a man when he was down,' but imo, if you break it down, all she did was accuse him of negativity,(which he is guilty of and he had accused her of,) and making assumptions re what she said to other hms, (which were incorrect on his part); tell him she didn't want to sleep with/next to him,(no nore hand jobs there then,) and say things in front of other hms which they had decided for themselves weeks ago anyway.....She can be responsible for her behaviour, (which was a bit OTT admittedly,) but not for his excessive, melodramatic, reaction to it
quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Is it safe in here?
Bea did kinda, 'kick a man when he was down,' but imo, if you break it down, all she did was accuse him of negativity,(which he is guilty of and he had accused her of,) and making assumptions re what she said to other hms, (which were incorrect on his part); tell him she didn't want to sleep with/next to him,(no nore hand jobs there then,) and say things in front of other hms which they had decided for themselves weeks ago anyway.....She can be responsible for her behaviour, (which was a bit OTT admittedly,) but not for his excessive, melodramatic, reaction to it
You joining the brigade?
quote:Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
She wasn't "concerned" at all. She was hoping to start another round of negativity towards him! Marcus defused that particular ploy though!
That's how I saw it too, Tidds. You could almost see her chest pumping-up like a pair of bellows, getting herself psyched up for round 2 (or is it 3?).
Whether Fred deserves an Olivier Award or not for the way he reacted, what I still DON'T for the life of me understand is why she CHOSE to move her bed when he was in the room
Why couldn't she have just done it some other time, and then try to have a quiet word with him later?The way she did it was motivated by spite (IMO) and to create maximum impact.....
Maz & Rawky are gonna sling my ass out of this thread in a minute!
quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Is it safe in here?
So far none of us has lost a limb.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by suzybean:quote:Originally posted by tupps:
I have to say.. as genius at being a pantomine villain Bea is.. she is getting on my lils with this positivity/negativity/aura malarkey.
That is as fake as her antique/retro clothes collection.. of which most can be bought in Top Shop.
I just know in 10 years time she'll be in Hunters and a wax jacket mucking out the ponies and screaming at little Jacinta and Tarquin.. and there won't be any of this positivity guff in sight.
I still like her though.. she's fascinating telly.
I have been consistant in thinking that she has been good for the show's dynamics, it was all becoming a little predictable. But I can't stand her (or rather her 'character').
I have to admit though, she really wasn't that cruel to Freddie, she could have said a lot more. Freddie's reaction was more to do with his idea that he had found his soulmate being shattered. Bea can't be blamed for Freddie planning a future for them as a couple.
quote:Originally posted by evviva!:quote:Originally posted by Tiddly~Wink:
She wasn't "concerned" at all. She was hoping to start another round of negativity towards him! Marcus defused that particular ploy though!
That's how I saw it too, Tidds. You could almost see her chest pumping-up like a pair of bellows, getting herself psyched up for round 2 (or is it 3?).
Whether Fred deserves an Olivier Award or not for the way he reacted, what I still DON'T for the life of me understand is why she CHOSE to move her bed when he was in the room
The way she did it was motivated by spite (IMO) and to create maximum impact.....
Maz & Rawky are gonna sling my ass out of this thread in a minute!
*turns Cattle prod up to 11*
quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Is it safe in here?
Bea did kinda, 'kick a man when he was down,' but imo, if you break it down, all she did was accuse him of negativity,(which he is guilty of and he had accused her of,) and making assumptions re what she said to other hms, (which were incorrect on his part); tell him she didn't want to sleep with/next to him,(no nore hand jobs there then,) and say things in front of other hms which they had decided for themselves weeks ago anyway.....She can be responsible for her behaviour, (which was a bit OTT admittedly,) but not for his excessive, melodramatic, reaction to it
she was kinder than I would have been the second time super ! when the halfwit said leave me alone,he should forget Politics which he has shown he will be totally useless at,and try the stage ?? or a travelling Circus to begin with ?
quote:Originally posted by Rawky-Roo:quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Is it safe in here?
Bea did kinda, 'kick a man when he was down,' but imo, if you break it down, all she did was accuse him of negativity,(which he is guilty of and he had accused her of,) and making assumptions re what she said to other hms, (which were incorrect on his part); tell him she didn't want to sleep with/next to him,(no nore hand jobs there then,) and say things in front of other hms which they had decided for themselves weeks ago anyway.....She can be responsible for her behaviour, (which was a bit OTT admittedly,) but not for his excessive, melodramatic, reaction to it
You joining the brigade?
I'll think about it, I was in the Bea fan club but resigned! Meanwhile maybe I can come in for an occassional rant, bit like you go to Brownies for a while before you take the oath? (ps, I was a Queen's Guide, captain ofthe school hockey team and captain of the County netball team 
) Bea's a buga at times and mega duplicitous but she also makes me laugh a lot too. Can't be doing with all of this 'poor lickle innocent Freddie' stuff, was different when he was laughing in people's faces etc. etc.
quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by Rawky-Roo:quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Is it safe in here?
Bea did kinda, 'kick a man when he was down,' but imo, if you break it down, all she did was accuse him of negativity,(which he is guilty of and he had accused her of,) and making assumptions re what she said to other hms, (which were incorrect on his part); tell him she didn't want to sleep with/next to him,(no nore hand jobs there then,) and say things in front of other hms which they had decided for themselves weeks ago anyway.....She can be responsible for her behaviour, (which was a bit OTT admittedly,) but not for his excessive, melodramatic, reaction to it
You joining the brigade?
Bea's a buga at times and mega duplicitous but she also makes me laugh a lot too. Can't be doing with all of this 'poor lickle innocent Freddie' stuff, was different when he was laughing in people's faces etc. etc.
Budge up...I'll sit on the fence with you!