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Originally Posted by pirate1111:

Hmmmmm....

well they need to get their moats cleaned FFS!

 

and them 2nd homes dont pay for themselves you know

 

what do you think?

 

I thought that MP's salaries and rises were now decided by an independent panel. If true then it's not the MP's who are asking for it (unless an MP has gone on record as saying they want it).

 

 

 

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
Originally Posted by pirate1111:

Hmmmmm....

well they need to get their moats cleaned FFS!

 

and them 2nd homes dont pay for themselves you know

 

what do you think?

 

I thought that MP's salaries and rises were now decided by an independent panel. If true then it's not the MP's who are asking for it (unless an MP has gone on record as saying they want it).

 

 

 

Yep, that's right EC

Moonie
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
 

 

I thought that MP's salaries and rises were now decided by an independent panel. If true then it's not the MP's who are asking for it (unless an MP has gone on record as saying they want it).

 

 

 

 

 

that's correct EC, in fact quite a few across all the parties are publicly saying its very unfair, 

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by moonie:
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
Originally Posted by pirate1111:

Hmmmmm....

well they need to get their moats cleaned FFS!

 

and them 2nd homes dont pay for themselves you know

 

what do you think?

 

I thought that MP's salaries and rises were now decided by an independent panel. If true then it's not the MP's who are asking for it (unless an MP has gone on record as saying they want it).

 

 

 

Yep, that's right EC

I concur. But for a few, like Dennis Skinner, they're not about to object to it.

suzybean
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:

Windbag.

 

Dinnae want to burst yer bubble but  

 

he may be to you...but to me he's head and shoulders above the rest in principles...he claims the least expenses of any other MP and only through illness misses a vote. Give me him a million times over to what we have in there now on all sides 

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by suzybean:
 

I concur. But for a few, like Dennis Skinner, they're not about to object to it.

 

 

wish there was another 600 and odd like him in the House of Commons  

 

 

I'm not a Labour supporter, but I have the greatest respect for Dennis Skinner, the only man with principles in that den of placemen

Kaytee
Originally Posted by Kaytee:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by suzybean:
 

I concur. But for a few, like Dennis Skinner, they're not about to object to it.

 

 

wish there was another 600 and odd like him in the House of Commons  

 

 

 

I'm not a Labour supporter, but I have the greatest respect for Dennis Skinner, the only man with principles in that den of placemen

 

 

I agree Kaytee...it doesn't matter what party you support... you can see a man of principles and he has them in bucket loads  

Dame_Ann_Average

They are a detached elite that has become untouchable.  The more scrutiny they come under the more self serving, brazenly hypocritical and dishonest they look.  They look that way because they are that way.

 

An MP should be a vocation to serve the country, like being in the NHS and military are supposed to be.  Not a meal ticket or stepping stone to fatcat pay in industry.

Carnelian
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

They are a detached elite that has become untouchable.  The more scrutiny they come under the more self serving, brazenly hypocritical and dishonest they look.  They look that way because they are that way.

 

An MP should be a vocation to serve the country, like being in the NHS and military are supposed to be.  Not a meal ticket or stepping stone to fatcat pay in industry.

 

exactly..and as far as I can see, only Skinner fits the bill at this time. 

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

They are a detached elite that has become untouchable.  The more scrutiny they come under the more self serving, brazenly hypocritical and dishonest they look.  They look that way because they are that way.

 

An MP should be a vocation to serve the country, like being in the NHS and military are supposed to be.  Not a meal ticket or stepping stone to fatcat pay in industry.

Yeah, once upon a time MP's used to do the job cos they believed in it. Not for what they could get out of it 

FM
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
Originally Posted by pirate1111:

Hmmmmm....

well they need to get their moats cleaned FFS!

 

and them 2nd homes dont pay for themselves you know

 

what do you think?

 

I thought that MP's salaries and rises were now decided by an independent panel. If true then it's not the MP's who are asking for it (unless an MP has gone on record as saying they want it).

 

 

 

Oddly, the MPs' panel suggests a whacking pay rise while the government decides all other public sector workers should have their salaries frozen.

 

Considering the Coalition think Labour wrecked the economy (they didn't) and Labour think the Coalition are currently wrecking the economy (they are);  Perhaps an independent panel of economists, social workers, trade unionists, business leaders, police chiefs, judges, health professionals should be sitting on the panel. 

 

Better than a bunch of idiots who think that just because bankers and lawyers have got fat pay rises, and MPs claim they can be hotshots in the City, MPs should therefore be treated as if they already have those jobs and are entitled to those rewards.

 

 

Carnelian
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
Originally Posted by pirate1111:

Hmmmmm....

well they need to get their moats cleaned FFS!

 

and them 2nd homes dont pay for themselves you know

 

what do you think?

 

I thought that MP's salaries and rises were now decided by an independent panel. If true then it's not the MP's who are asking for it (unless an MP has gone on record as saying they want it).

 

 

 

Oddly, the MPs' panel suggests a whacking pay rise while the government decides all other public sector workers should have their salaries frozen.

 

Considering the Coalition think Labour wrecked the economy (they didn't) and Labour think the Coalition are currently wrecking the economy (they are);  Perhaps an independent panel of economists, social workers, trade unionists, business leaders, police chiefs, judges, health professionals should be sitting on the panel. 

 

Better than a bunch of idiots who think that just because bankers and lawyers have got fat pay rises, and MPs claim they can be hotshots in the City, MPs should therefore be treated as if they already have those jobs and are entitled to those rewards.

 

 

LOL. You have to be taking the pish

suzybean
Originally Posted by Sprout:

Not sure he is Suz  at least that's a bigger view/cover than what we have now 

Yeah, well if Carnellian can find 2 economists to agree, a couple of trade union Tsars with an ounce of pure altruistic integrity and a gaggle of Circuit Judges that can see beyond their noses then he might be on to something.

suzybean
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
Originally Posted by pirate1111:

Hmmmmm....

well they need to get their moats cleaned FFS!

 

and them 2nd homes dont pay for themselves you know

 

what do you think?

 

I thought that MP's salaries and rises were now decided by an independent panel. If true then it's not the MP's who are asking for it (unless an MP has gone on record as saying they want it).

 

 

 


You're right EC, it was just on the news saying they DIDN'T want it, but their review body was possibly going to give it to them anyway! Apparently the body considers that their pay is falling behind!!!! Sack the reviw body, I say.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
As I always say at times like these, "if you pay peanuts ........"
Seventy bags of sand a year for pretending to run the country, but being directed by the multinational capitalists seems a lot, but most of the premiership players earn more than that in a week.
Whether this means the government should consist of Lee Clattermole, Wayne Rooney, and Paul Scholes, I'm not sure. I'll give it some thought.
Garage Joe
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
As I always say at times like these, "if you pay peanuts ........"
Seventy bags of sand a year for pretending to run the country, but being directed by the multinational capitalists seems a lot, but most of the premiership players earn more than that in a week.
Whether this means the government should consist of Lee Clattermole, Wayne Rooney, and Paul Scholes, I'm not sure. I'll give it some thought.

Don't agree with their salaries either. I blame Jimmy Hill 

FM
Originally Posted by suzybean:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
Originally Posted by pirate1111:

Hmmmmm....

well they need to get their moats cleaned FFS!

 

and them 2nd homes dont pay for themselves you know

 

what do you think?

 

I thought that MP's salaries and rises were now decided by an independent panel. If true then it's not the MP's who are asking for it (unless an MP has gone on record as saying they want it).

 

 

 

Oddly, the MPs' panel suggests a whacking pay rise while the government decides all other public sector workers should have their salaries frozen.

 

Considering the Coalition think Labour wrecked the economy (they didn't) and Labour think the Coalition are currently wrecking the economy (they are);  Perhaps an independent panel of economists, social workers, trade unionists, business leaders, police chiefs, judges, health professionals should be sitting on the panel. 

 

Better than a bunch of idiots who think that just because bankers and lawyers have got fat pay rises, and MPs claim they can be hotshots in the City, MPs should therefore be treated as if they already have those jobs and are entitled to those rewards.

 

 

LOL. You have to be taking the pish

No, the people who should sit in judgement on MPs are those best placed to see the social and economic consequence of their actions.

Carnelian
Originally Posted by suzybean:
Originally Posted by Sprout:

Not sure he is Suz  at least that's a bigger view/cover than what we have now 

Yeah, well if Carnellian can find 2 economists to agree, a couple of trade union Tsars with an ounce of pure altruistic integrity and a gaggle of Circuit Judges that can see beyond their noses then he might be on to something.

The alternative?  A panel from the 'the great and the good' will look at salaries for 'executive positions' and the whining from MPs who claim they can earn big bucks in London's elite job market and then decide their salaries based on those claims.

 

Firms are full of people who 'could earn more money in x job at x firm'.  Do bosses pay attention to such 'grass is always greener' claims?  Mostly they treat those claims as idle bullshit. MPs are free to seek their imagined fortune outside Parliament.  They're not doing us any favours by being MPs.  Most of them are time serving hacks in safe seats where a hat-stand could be elected provided it had the right colour rosette.

Carnelian
Last edited by Carnelian
You must have met a different bunch! For obvious reasons, over the last few decades, I've met a few, and apart from the one glaring example, they have all done their best to represent individuals.
Yet again I must say that as long as people view politics as something that happens to them rather than getting involved we willn't get anywhere. In a conversation with one of m'grandsons it became apparent that he didn't know the name of his MP and yet he knew all the talentless arseholes left in the X Factor!
Neither will we get anywhere by constantly trying to undermine our democratic system.
Garage Joe

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