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Not interested. Nature, yes. Policy, no. Does this make me a renegade?

No, just out of touch. If you have no interest in how science becomes policy becomes action, then I still don't understand why you are so keen for science to get it right all the time.

Re: market forces

It was a joke! The sparrows were there first and have "sharper teeth". I agree - survival of the fittest (much like the way science works).

Lucibee.

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No, just out of touch. If you have no interest in how science becomes policy becomes action, then I still don't understand why you are so keen for science to get it right all the time.

Fair comment!

Have you ever heard the adage "if the architect gets it wrong then the roof leaks, but if the engineer gets it wrong the roof isn't there" (because the roof has collapsed)?

Well, as an engineer, I'm quite happy to offer free feedback to any architect, or their advisory scientist, to make my life less stressed as an engineer. More than this explanation would include democratic policy and be totally OT (the electorate expect to be protected against any rogue action from a "mad scientist", the machinations of an engineer that may support their divisiveness, or the orchestration of these by an evil architect). For my part, I have morals based on the improvement of a collective conscience and well-being! I don't want the roof to collapse and that's why I insist on a safety margin over and above known (supposedly "known") parameters.

I hope this explains my expectation of "the science". I really am "au fait" with science and the policy of it, but I just don't post on it.

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The sparrows were there first and have "sharper teeth".

Don't believe you! They only get one tooth and that falls out when they get out of the egg. Thus, sparrow's teeth are as rare as hen's teeth (or swallow's teeth for that matter).

Best regards, suricat.

Like engineers, scientists tend to be quite cautious in their estimations, which is why the IPCC tend to underestimate their climate predictions (you just wait and see!).

OK - don't believe me - but that's what the martins were screaming: "The teeth! The teeth!"

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Originally posted by Lucibee:
Like engineers, scientists tend to be quite cautious in their estimations, which is why the IPCC tend to underestimate their climate predictions (you just wait and see!).

Lol
Nice one Luci

Tell us; How did you test that?

Lucibee.

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OK - don't believe me - but that's what the martins were screaming: "The teeth! The teeth!"

You don't speak Swallow, do you! When Martins get stressed they fly around screaming "ip weeeeh, ip weeeeh", much like the Blackbird struts around shrieking "tuck tuck tuck tuck tuck tuck tuck". It's just a comms message to relatives of impending local danger because a predator (often human) is present. I hope this falsifies your claim that Martins speak English.

However, people also have this reflex action and only to often it just starts out with a scream, or a gasp, but - as within the animal population - the scenario plays itself out within the host through a progression of hormonal responses within the subject. Only ending with the neutralisation of the remnants of the hormones that were originally released by the "fight - flight event" that caused the hormone release and imbalance to begin with.

This brings me back to scientists, engineers and architects. Within a human society, the main architect is the government. I'm just happy that, in a democracy, a government can be removed by scientists, engineers and the general populace every few years. Perhaps a good indicator of the reason for my relief can be seen on More 4, Sep 1 @ 22:00 hrs (perhaps not). Here's some info on the upcoming transmission:
http://entertainment.timesonli...o/article6810998.ece
http://wideeyecinema.com/?p=298

Best regards, suricat.

suricat, I couldn't get into the new site for a while but I'm back now..don't ask me how?

Anyway This looks a pretty empirical falsification of the July "high" SST's ... another nail in the AGW coffin?

Son of Mulder.

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suricat, I couldn't get into the new site for a while but I'm back now..don't ask me how?

High five SoM! We've not heard from you since page 10, I was beginning to think we'd need to send out a search party.

Have you caught up since then and looked at Doug Hoffman's site (African dust)?

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Anyway This looks a pretty empirical falsification of the July "high" SST's ... another nail in the AGW coffin?

I've been trying to remember where I read that this data has been corrected (it was probably referenced by a blog comment somewhere) and if memory serves me correctly, there was a resignation at around the time of the anomalous incursion (though this is politics). But, yes I've seen this and it's probably related to this comment on CA:
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6887

However, I think it's more a nail in the coffin for trustworthy data processing than AGW. A good reason for an 'open' audit of all such data!

Best regards, suricat.

Edited to improve grammar and readability (good reason for an open audit).

Son of Mulder.

This may not be a falsification, but it reflects on the current level of understanding.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0908/0908.4410v1.pdf

Section 3 eludes to the discussions we’ve had about centrifugal effect and I find this quite illuminating considering our past discussion.

Best regards, suricat.

suricat, if you're still around. I think the latest torpedo from Mckintyre sinks the whole AGW convoy. If you've not seen it then it is nicely summarised here http://network.nationalpost.co...a-are-uncovered.aspx as well as on Wattsup and CA.

I know suricat is loathe to having this kind of material discussed on a science board but here goes
 Atte Korhola: political and social playground
on CA

This is a well known flaw in the logic of 'global climatology science' that if pushed to its full conclusion should have killed the AGW where it stood!!
But then again, science is such a very loose term in the climate change debate

Beware of the few is true suricat, but as for may become the coercion of the many, I'm afraid  we're way past may
But one can only imagine how delighted the few were when GW/climate change dropped into their laps.

Not a reply suricat but a link to a thread dedicated to posting links in here

muf: Nice thought, but I was testing ‘google chrome’ and this site is something else when linking the correct page level.

Think I’ll continue to use IE8 here!

Best regards, suricat.

Not used Chrome on here suricat but FF and Safari work beautifully on here As for IE....much as I love evil mega-ware... I just wouldn't, ever!

My bad phrasing! Should have read "and the site I'm linking to is something else when linking the correct page level". So it's 'Sir muf' now. This place gets worse by the minute, more of an arcade game RPG like 'Baldur's Gate™' Tales of the Sword Coast ™. Best regards, suricat.

muf.

My last post had line breaks in it. There’s something wrong with the page ‘Java’ script here (humph, this time the script options appeared, server problem somewhere)!

Best regards, suricat.

 
Am I missing something here?
The trend for glacial shrinkage has remained on the same path for over 150 years yet its we that done it with our use of fossil fuels in the 20th century!
Does CO2 effect time too?