Son of Mulder.
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suricat, it doesn't get more empirical than this
Ha (lol)! I do believe you've now taken the place of M Batchelor (only your posts are more realistic).
Yes, I saw this on WUWT earlier. Read the post, but haven't read the paper yet.
Well frankly, it could get more empirical if the source of the main forcing could be identified beyond doubt. However, it's just as well that I got cancer, got remission and then mum got ill, because I'd otherwise have a lot of capital invested in my concept car engine which looks like it isn't going to be needed! Though a road vehicle that can run at 90 MPH for an hour, then 40 MPH on petrol/diesel/paraffin/gas/whatever (coke if you like) until the battery is recharged/replaced still looks good on paper when the fuel economy is virtually doubled against contemporary vehicles.
Back to reality. Nice curves on the graphs and I notice that SW is more positive, whereas LW is more negative in the "feedback" category for observations. Bearing in mind trends that cover roughly a decade (a popular current subject), this looks like a positive feedback from SW "insolation" and thus the (11 year) "solar cycle" could well be involved (who am I kidding, I think this is it)!
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I don't see how the AGWers will answer this new Linzen paper unless the physical measured record is completely wrong.
We've seen arguments on the physical measured record before. Be prepared for argument.
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It looks like it's through peer review and about to be published.
More power to Lindzen et al for credibility?
I'm not one that puts confidence in published papers, though I think that this paper deserves to be published.
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It will be fascinating to follow.
It'll certainly be interesting to see how this paper is received by the science community!
As an aside, you realise how it's virtually impossible to find a source for a global UV trend? Just look at this:
http://www.meteoschweiz.admin....ojekte/cost_726.htmlThe longest UV record known. I know this isn't a "global" record, but it's a local record of UV insolation. Let's face it, any "local record" is a record of TSI at surface and can be corrected for any local perturbations (like ozone and particulates) when the perturbation is known.
This source is a plump source for global UV levels to my mind.
Why am I interested in the UV factor of insolation? Because it factors in the deep ice and deep ocean part of insolation
per se. This relates to the paper that you just posted for my awareness.
Can you see the relationship?
Best regards, suricat.