This site has changed a lot recently, so I’m going to do a little experiment here that includes cut and paste using "Word Pro".

quote:

3 stations?

Did the BB quote test work?

Line space (with line text content)

Another point of interest to you should be:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/12/historical-video-perspective-our-current-unprecedented-global-warming-in-the-context-of-scale/

Where the current span of warming can be realised within a more complete context via the paleoclimate discipline.

OK, lets see what transpires from this ‘paste’ (well I’ve got a "full dialogue" [includes text editing toolbox]!

Best regards, suricat.

Some things are crappy on this site suricat but at least You can just drag n drop things like the above into your posts and simply scale them to fit. I've given up trying to post it on Random Banter

Result!

Did the BB quote test work? Yes! Although there was no change in background emphasis, the quote was well represented as text. However, line spacing that followed the quote became ‘double line-space’!

Test failed due to altered line-spacing that followed the quote (likelihood of confusion to text further down line of the quote)!!!

For example; there were originally no line-spaces between lines beginning with: Did the BB; Line space; Another point of interest; http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/12/historical-video-perspective-our-current-unprecedented-global-warming-in-the-context-of-scale/

(which was also a URL); Where the current span......

The ‘link’ wasn’t made and there were line-spaces that didn’t exist in the original ‘paste’.

From this test, all I can say is that if you want to say something here then that’s OK. If you want to quote someone else here it’s a definite NO NO (the quote is fine, but there’s too much confusion further on into the response)! If you want to ‘link’ to somewhere else you need to hang on to your seat-belt!

Why do I continue to post here? Because it’s a ‘tenuous’ link to other posters from the old C4 web-site!

BTW, "Word Pro" is the most integrated word processor that I know of that incorporates full BB, Java and HTML compatibility (apart from the ‘open source’ EMACS that is), so I find it odd that it doesn’t work well here.

Best regards, suricat.

muf  4925 Forum Posts Today at 7:49 PM  (Edited: )

Some things are crappy on this site suricat but at least You can just drag n drop things like the above into your posts and simply scale them to fit. I've given up trying to post it on Random Banter

What's the word on the the forums at CA suricat as I want to check some thing that Tomvonk said about Tenberths energy flow 'cartoon'

muf.

There is no forum, and Steve gave me a ‘wrap on the knuckles’ just for asking about it. See:
http://climateaudit.org/2009/1...audit-wordpress-com/
Dec. 9, 2009 at 7:46 PM (Permalink 207787).

He has provided a new "unthreaded" thread as I requested though:
http://climateaudit.org/2009/12/13/unthreaded-38/

Steve may well be initiating a similar data loss scenario to the one he decries in his blog (e.g. Briffa et al).

　

What was it that you wanted to know that TomVonk said, I may remember it?

Best regards, suricat.

PS. Just taken out the 'unpasted' lines in the site dialogue box and it looks good so far!

Whats the story with the forum now suricat?
Does TomVonk still post on there?

Nobody posts in the CA forum anymore because the CA forum doesn't exist. However, Steve's blog continues, but it's boring! Nothing to see here! Move along please! Sort of climate microstructure debate.


If you need to speak to Tom Vonk google him. Remember that he's from the Netherlands and that he isn't anything to do with human resources.


This is the first time I've made a post on the fly without recording it!


Best regards, suricat.

This is the first time I've made a post on the fly without recording it!

On the fly posting makes no difference. the problem is in the posting dialogue box!

The dialogue box doesn't show the format of the post that is represented by the site server.

Best regards, suricat.

It may be the bits in the atmosphere

muf.

Yes, just like SoM suggested way back! However, the most abundant aerosol, water condensate, may well override other aerosols if Dr. Roy Spencer’s paper survives.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2010/04/a-response-to-kevin-trenberth/

As you can see, he describes how cloud tops reflect the SW insolation (doesn’t do much for UV and blue vis though) and reduces the warming energy effect of insolation, but I think he should’ve gone to greater depth with cloud evolution (like how energy not reflected adds to produce a ‘thunderhead’ when enough water is available). OK. So perhaps the ‘thunderhead’ explanation should be the responsibility of Dr. Lindzen to describe?

Seriously, if Roy’s observations stand, the Earth’s sensitivity to a changing climate is really very small. This means that the IPCC’s estimation is way out!

Is this an ‘empirical falsification’, or what?

Best regards, Ray Dart (AKA, suricat).

Global Warming’s $64 Trillion Question

Rather engaging blog entry from Dr Spencer.

Temp goes up cloud cover goes down, no-brainer really

Reference: Dr Spencer

Muf.



Glad you found the link and enjoyed the site (I now just post and be damned if a link is made). I both admire and respect Roy's 'openness' on the point of availability of data and his willingness to share any knowledge he's acquired by 'funding access'.



Best regards, Ray Dart (suricat).



PS. There 'are' others that have researched the issue, but they don't have such a high profile as Roy.

Low Climate Sensitivity Estimated from the 11-Year Cycle in Total Solar Irradiance(More from Dr Roy)

I'm not a regular here, but I thought you would be interested in this article from the BBC in how whales excrement is helping to offset CO2 emissions.

Climate change is being 'flown under the RADAR' now Loro...It's nice to read these reminders

Cosmic rays and climate with Jasper Kirkby on the CERN doc server

This site no longer allows me to 'paste' into the reply 'box'.


Good bye!

That was an interesting talk muf, but you'll notice that this area of science has more questions than answers. In fact Jasper clearly stated that his presentation wasn't any kind of submission, but just observations to be noted for future reference.





I'd like to refer back to your post of May 31/2010.



"Temp goes up cloud cover goes down, no-brainer really"



It's true that the amount of 'water vapour' (WV) that air can absorb increases with temperature, implying that clouds evaporate as temperatures increase, but that's only part of the story. A cloud just 'hangs around', drifting in the atmosphere and causing a shadow on Earth's surface, until it either precipitates as rain or evaporates to WV again.



Any water that precipitates from cloud has 'lived its lifetime' in the atmosphere (ignoring evaporation from the 'raindrop' as it falls) and this 'average lifetime' is accepted to be ~9-10 days from evaporation at Earth's surface to precipitation back to Earth's surface again. However, WV is a 'lighter than air' gas and any evaporation of cloud just results in WV migrating to higher, and cooler, altitudes where it condenses to cloud again. Thus, maintaining a degree of cloud cover. Precipitation is the only way to end WV's survival in the atmosphere.



There's an important point to be recognised here. Earth's surface is normally the hotter between Earth's surface and Earth's atmosphere. This strongly suggests that surface temperature drives the atmospheric region of the hydrocycle and thus cloud formation. When surface temperatures are high we see a scenario where the atmosphere is 'loaded' with greater quantities of WV and 'cloud cover' is increased as a result on a ~9-10 day rate. When surface temperatures are low we see a scenario where the atmosphere is 'loaded' with less quantities of WV and 'cloud cover' decreases, again, on a ~9-10 day rate.



This posits 'cloud cover' as the primary 'thermostat' for average global temperature, as it reflects insolation with a ~9-10 day sensitivity and is temperature dependant in a negative form with temperature increase.



Best regards, Ray Dart.



Hah! Toggled WYSIWIG!