I know, its really sad... Started watching Elvis movies in 97 and didnt believe he was dead until my parents told me then I watched the documentary on him... Really sad... Both of them had enablers and yes men as entourages who feed their habits... Gosh we should pray for all our Celebrities....quote:Originally posted by longcat:But the prescriptions weren't all in his name. Elvis did the same thing he used to get friends and family to get prescriptions and then he would take them. Addicts are very clever and when your rich and famous people will always help you with your habit.quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:Very scary cocktail of drugs, I thought the stars had the best when it came to medical care I wonder which human being in their right senses prescribed all that to himquote:Originally posted by WILDER X:
In this country no way would a doctor perscribe all those meds.
Even on antidepressants you have to have councilling..... Apparently their Lawyer is going to be naming names in the near future. Those Hollywood drug pushers with stethoscopes need to be punished...
quote:Originally posted by Garage Joe:
Bit of a spin battle going on between those people who would say that Michael was showing all the symptoms of a sensitive boy who was cruelly treated by a domineering father, and people who are trying to deflect the blame onto the Doctor, methinks.
Although I am not an expert.
thing is joe, both could be right mj was "strange" for a long time and that has been blamed on his upbringing in the past, and it does seem that his death is largely caused by the medical regime he was under, either way earlier intervention might have helped.
quote:Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:quote:Originally posted by Garage Joe:
Bit of a spin battle going on between those people who would say that Michael was showing all the symptoms of a sensitive boy who was cruelly treated by a domineering father, and people who are trying to deflect the blame onto the Doctor, methinks.
Although I am not an expert.
thing is joe, both could be right mj was "strange" for a long time and that has been blamed on his upbringing in the past, and it does seem that his death is largely caused by the medical regime he was under, either way earlier intervention might have helped.
Well you know my opinion. I blame the family.
quote:Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:quote:Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:quote:Originally posted by droopydrawers:
why are people boycotting the sun ? op said this was source.
ask just about anyone in liverpool. it was after the sun printed that liverpool fans were robbing the dead and dying during the hillsborough disaster and blamed them for it happening. many have been boycotting it ever since.
yes true and I would never touch that rag again
there are a lot who feel the same way, i'm not a liverpool fan but what they printed back then was disgusting especially when they must have known that it just wasnt true.
The mother of two of the children says MJ isnt the father....ffs they are blonde and blue eyed, and hold the "it can happen" stories.....surely a dna test can now prove they are not related to michael, and therefore should not be anywhere near the whole circus of a family.
Let them grow up with real people...that would be the best legacy michael could leave.
Let them grow up with real people...that would be the best legacy michael could leave.
quote:Originally posted by Garage Joe:quote:Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:quote:Originally posted by Garage Joe:
Bit of a spin battle going on between those people who would say that Michael was showing all the symptoms of a sensitive boy who was cruelly treated by a domineering father, and people who are trying to deflect the blame onto the Doctor, methinks.
Although I am not an expert.
thing is joe, both could be right mj was "strange" for a long time and that has been blamed on his upbringing in the past, and it does seem that his death is largely caused by the medical regime he was under, either way earlier intervention might have helped.
Well you know my opinion. I blame the family.
well in the long term i'm sure you are right, after all if it wasnt for them he wouldnt have grown up as he did.
The mother now wants the kids because of the fortune she stands to gain...quote:Originally posted by fz:
The mother of two of the children says MJ isnt the father....ffs they are blonde and blue eyed, and hold the "it can happen" stories.....surely a dna test can now prove they are not related to michael, and therefore should not be anywhere near the whole circus of a family.
Let them grow up with real people...that would be the best legacy michael could leave.
Whats the alternative? Split the children up and send the 2 eldest to a mother who doesn't want them? Then what about the youngest no-one knows who his mother is.quote:Originally posted by fz:
The mother of two of the children says MJ isnt the father....ffs they are blonde and blue eyed, and hold the "it can happen" stories.....surely a dna test can now prove they are not related to michael, and therefore should not be anywhere near the whole circus of a family.
Let them grow up with real people...that would be the best legacy michael could leave.
quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:The mother now wants the kids because of the fortune she stands to gain...quote:Originally posted by fz:
The mother of two of the children says MJ isnt the father....ffs they are blonde and blue eyed, and hold the "it can happen" stories.....surely a dna test can now prove they are not related to michael, and therefore should not be anywhere near the whole circus of a family.
Let them grow up with real people...that would be the best legacy michael could leave.
How do you know that's why she wants them?
quote:blame the family.
I think the family, doctors, friends. Michael himself aswell, as he just gave up.
I don't think you can just point the finger at the family.
quote:Originally posted by fz:
The mother of two of the children says MJ isnt the father....ffs they are blonde and blue eyed, and hold the "it can happen" stories.....surely a dna test can now prove they are not related to michael, and therefore should not be anywhere near the whole circus of a family.
Let them grow up with real people...that would be the best legacy michael could leave.
That illness he had...the one that changed his skin colour, would that have affected the way his kids turned out at all? Thing is, I can't even see any afro caribbean traits in them at all (hair, nose etc) yet blinket or whatever he's called looked darker than the other two in a recent pic I saw.
It's possible (and very loosely) that if his illness hadn't of affected his manjuice, and any of Jacko's grandparents were white-mixed, that it skipped a generation, but this is Jacko we're talking about, who knows what went on. Saying that though, I anticipate a few 'tell it all' books coming out soon
quote:Originally posted by longcat:Whats the alternative? Split the children up and send the 2 eldest to a mother who doesn't want them? Then what about the youngest no-one knows who his mother is.quote:Originally posted by fz:
The mother of two of the children says MJ isnt the father....ffs they are blonde and blue eyed, and hold the "it can happen" stories.....surely a dna test can now prove they are not related to michael, and therefore should not be anywhere near the whole circus of a family.
Let them grow up with real people...that would be the best legacy michael could leave.
If the mother doesnt want them...no problem, I am sure there are plenty of approved foster carers in the U.S. Or will this whole charade go into the next generation?
I agree I blame all the people in his life who could have saved him from himself...quote:Originally posted by WILDER X:quote:blame the family.
I think the family, doctors, friends. Michael himself aswell, as he just gave up.
I don't think you can just point the finger at the family.
quote:Originally posted by Karma_:quote:Originally posted by fz:
The mother of two of the children says MJ isnt the father....ffs they are blonde and blue eyed, and hold the "it can happen" stories.....surely a dna test can now prove they are not related to michael, and therefore should not be anywhere near the whole circus of a family.
Let them grow up with real people...that would be the best legacy michael could leave.
That illness he had...the one that changed his skin colour, would that have affected the way his kids turned out at all? Thing is, I can't even see any afro caribbean traits in them at all (hair, nose etc) yet blinket or whatever he's called looked darker than the other two in a recent pic I saw.
It's possible (and very loosely) that if his illness hadn't of affected his manjuice, and any of Jacko's grandparents were white-mixed, that it skipped a generation, but this is Jacko we're talking about, who knows what went on. Saying that though, I anticipate a few 'tell it all' books coming out soon
DNA testing would go some way to discovering the truth...but it just isnt going to happen.
I just read that the doctor who was with him had only been his doctor for 11 day's. It's a bit rough blaming the guy for something that had been going on for years.
I hope to heaven the grandparents don't get their hands on those kid's though.It's been well documented what the father was like, but let's not forget the mother let it happen.If my husband had treated my kid's like that he would have been knocked out cold and would have came to in a jail cell.
The father look's to me like he's going to cash in on his son's death as he did with his talent, now that's so shameful.
I hope to heaven the grandparents don't get their hands on those kid's though.It's been well documented what the father was like, but let's not forget the mother let it happen.If my husband had treated my kid's like that he would have been knocked out cold and would have came to in a jail cell.
The father look's to me like he's going to cash in on his son's death as he did with his talent, now that's so shameful.
Only MJ could have saved himself.quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:I agree I blame all the people in his life who could have saved him from himself...quote:Originally posted by WILDER X:quote:blame the family.
I think the family, doctors, friends. Michael himself aswell, as he just gave up.
I don't think you can just point the finger at the family.
quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:The mother now wants the kids because of the fortune she stands to gain...quote:Originally posted by fz:
The mother of two of the children says MJ isnt the father....ffs they are blonde and blue eyed, and hold the "it can happen" stories.....surely a dna test can now prove they are not related to michael, and therefore should not be anywhere near the whole circus of a family.
Let them grow up with real people...that would be the best legacy michael could leave.
She already made a fortune out of it. I watched the 2003 interview where she said she had known Jacko for years and done this as a favour for him. You lend your mates a tenner if theyre skint, you don't carry 2 kids for 9 months then hand them over and agree to sever all contact for money. They didn't know her as mum, didn't even know her at all, and IMO Michael was just as selfish for asking for that. He clearly wasn't thinking of the kid's best interests.
why want them now? if he were still alive today she will not be in the news...quote:Originally posted by fz:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:The mother now wants the kids because of the fortune she stands to gain...quote:Originally posted by fz:
The mother of two of the children says MJ isnt the father....ffs they are blonde and blue eyed, and hold the "it can happen" stories.....surely a dna test can now prove they are not related to michael, and therefore should not be anywhere near the whole circus of a family.
Let them grow up with real people...that would be the best legacy michael could leave.
How do you know that's why she wants them?
From tmz.com
We've learned the story making the rounds detailing the terrible condition of Michael Jackson's body is a fake.
A report in The Sun gave harrowing details of the body, but we've learned the "autopsy report" was fabricated and completely false.
Story developing"
We've learned the story making the rounds detailing the terrible condition of Michael Jackson's body is a fake.
A report in The Sun gave harrowing details of the body, but we've learned the "autopsy report" was fabricated and completely false.
Story developing"
Yes maybe he was selfish but she gave out her rights why is she crawling out of her hole now? She is seeing $$$$ signs...quote:Originally posted by Karma_:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:The mother now wants the kids because of the fortune she stands to gain...quote:Originally posted by fz:
The mother of two of the children says MJ isnt the father....ffs they are blonde and blue eyed, and hold the "it can happen" stories.....surely a dna test can now prove they are not related to michael, and therefore should not be anywhere near the whole circus of a family.
Let them grow up with real people...that would be the best legacy michael could leave.
She already made a fortune out of it. I watched the 2003 interview where she said she had known Jacko for years and done this as a favour for him. You lend your mates a tenner if theyre skint, you don't carry 2 kids for 9 months then hand them over and agree to sever all contact for money. They didn't know her as mum, didn't even know her at all, and IMO Michael was just as selfish for asking for that. He clearly wasn't thinking of the kid's best interests.
Wow if that is true then we must have some sick people in the head.... The sun newspaper againquote:Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
From tmz.com
We've learned the story making the rounds detailing the terrible condition of Michael Jackson's body is a fake.
A report in The Sun gave harrowing details of the body, but we've learned the "autopsy report" was fabricated and completely false.
Story developing"
... I wonder why they are still allowed to print out material without verification...
maybe they used an egg donor.....know I dont know much about this but would that mean that legally D rowe wasnt the mother 
I thought there was pictures taken a couple of years ago of Debbie Rowe with the kid's? Didn't she try to gain custody during those last court procceeding's MJ was involved in? I thoght she was awarded more access then? I'm probably wrong as i'm not a fan and haven't really 'followed' his life for ages.
according to strudio briefing several hours of studio quality audio and multi angle hd video were shot of the rehearsals for the o2 concert was shot along with hundreds of new songs many about or for his children that were not to be released until after his death with a planned dvd and cd release later this year along with a tv special and some kind of tribute concert.
full details on the link above.
full details on the link above.
quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:Wow if that is true then we must have some sick people in the head.... The sun newspaper againquote:Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
From tmz.com
We've learned the story making the rounds detailing the terrible condition of Michael Jackson's body is a fake.
A report in The Sun gave harrowing details of the body, but we've learned the "autopsy report" was fabricated and completely false.
Story developing"
Hi PCE when I saw the link earlier I was dubious just because it was the Sun but I also wondered why it wouldn't have leaked first to the US.
Alsao on Sky news earlier they showed footage of him a few weeks ago in rehearsal and from what I could tell he didn't look like 8st to me - but could be wrong of course. If it is a fake report I think it's disgusting to print such details.
quote:Originally posted by longcat:Only MJ could have saved himself.quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:I agree I blame all the people in his life who could have saved him from himself...quote:Originally posted by WILDER X:quote:blame the family.
I think the family, doctors, friends. Michael himself aswell, as he just gave up.
I don't think you can just point the finger at the family.
Goodness me! Let's not make the man responsible for his own actions when there are other people to blame...
quote:Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
From tmz.com
We've learned the story making the rounds detailing the terrible condition of Michael Jackson's body is a fake.
A report in The Sun gave harrowing details of the body, but we've learned the "autopsy report" was fabricated and completely false.
Story developing"
I had a feeling it might be..
quote:Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Hi PCE when I saw the link earlier I was dubious just because it was the Sun but I also wondered why it wouldn't have leaked first to the US.
it was, on fox news (another part of the mucdoch empire).
Fox news makes me sick with the rubbish they spout...quote:Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:quote:Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Hi PCE when I saw the link earlier I was dubious just because it was the Sun but I also wondered why it wouldn't have leaked first to the US.
it was, on fox news (another part of the mucdoch empire).
Yellow Rose lets wait hopefully we would get the real news soon...
P.S. Is it not normal for a 50 yr old to go bald? why state it like it was part of his ailment?
quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:Fox news makes me sick with the rubbish they spout...quote:Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:quote:Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Hi PCE when I saw the link earlier I was dubious just because it was the Sun but I also wondered why it wouldn't have leaked first to the US.
it was, on fox news (another part of the mucdoch empire).
Yellow Rose lets wait hopefully we would get the real news soon...
P.S. Is it not normal for a 50 yr old to go bald? why state it like it was part of his ailment?
If it's a fake report and the family hear about it we can only imagine how they'd feel.
Men can go bald before 50 but I would have thought if he was bald there would have been someone who knew that and would sell the story.
quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:
]Yes maybe he was selfish but she gave out her rights why is she crawling out of her hole now? She is seeing $$$$ signs...
Ok let's forget about her for a minute and talk about him. PCE you seem to make excuses for anything remotely negative he has done or been involved in, even blaming others for his drug addiction.
In regards to those kids, do you seriously think it's right that in return for the chance to be a father, he insisted that the children have NO contact with the mother at all? Yes, she's a disgrace too for agreeing to it, (they are both as bad as each other IMO) - but lets remember he was the one with the money and the power. I don't understand how you can think she is more terrible than him
Gosh the family must be broken-hearted to read and hear all the negative things said when he hasnt even been dead for a week..... I watched This Morning today and Fern stated his being bald as one of his very many ailments and that annoyed me... Balding is a normal process not a condition or sicknessquote:Originally posted by Yellow Rose:quote:Originally posted by pretty~cocoa~eyes:Fox news makes me sick with the rubbish they spout...quote:Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:quote:Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Hi PCE when I saw the link earlier I was dubious just because it was the Sun but I also wondered why it wouldn't have leaked first to the US.
it was, on fox news (another part of the mucdoch empire).
Yellow Rose lets wait hopefully we would get the real news soon...
P.S. Is it not normal for a 50 yr old to go bald? why state it like it was part of his ailment?
If it's a fake report and the family hear about it we can only imagine how they'd feel.
Men can go bald before 50 but I would have thought if was bald there would have been someone who knew that and would sell the story.
..... So what he wears a wig, so do many others... The media are witches... quote:Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Men can go bald before 50 but I would have thought if he was bald there would have been someone who knew that and would sell the story.
Why would someone sell the story that he was bald???
I am confused, is he still dead or has he risen from the cave yet 
quote:Originally posted by Karma_:quote:Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Men can go bald before 50 but I would have thought if he was bald there would have been someone who knew that and would sell the story.
Why would someone sell the story that he was bald???
Because they were members of the Baldies alliance and needed a new high profile star to front their campaign?
quote:Originally posted by Karma_:quote:Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Men can go bald before 50 but I would have thought if he was bald there would have been someone who knew that and would sell the story.
Why would someone sell the story that he was bald???
Because he's famous around the world and some newspapers would pay money for that story?
quote:Originally posted by Ennis Del Beadle:
I am confused, is he still dead or has he risen from the cave yet
no, too many media cameras around for someone to steal / move the body on this one
quote:Originally posted by Yellow Rose:quote:Originally posted by Karma_:quote:Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Men can go bald before 50 but I would have thought if he was bald there would have been someone who knew that and would sell the story.
Why would someone sell the story that he was bald???
Because he's famous around the world and some newspapers would pay money for that story?
I honestly don't think anyone would pay for that TBH.
quote:Originally posted by Ennis Del Beadle:
I am confused, is he still dead or has he risen from the cave yet
From what i can gather so far... the sun have tried to roll away the stone... but it's the wrong cave Ennis
quote:Originally posted by Yellow Rose:quote:Originally posted by Karma_:quote:Originally posted by Yellow Rose:
Men can go bald before 50 but I would have thought if he was bald there would have been someone who knew that and would sell the story.
Why would someone sell the story that he was bald???
Because he's famous around the world and some newspapers would pay money for that story?
Hang on... you really think that thick black mop of hair was his?