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With all due respect Ducky I don't think all JJ fan's are as open minded as you....FM's discuss JJ fans in general terms at times,not aimed at FM fans as obviously there are others out there yet apparently it is taken as a personal thing resulting in much upset....I freely admit I despise how he behaves,absolutely despise it,I see him as an aggressive bully with deep seeded issues....On the other hand I am aware not everyone has LF access so base their opinion on HL show which is edited beyond belief but I cannot understand how or why a lot of folk think his behaviour is acceptable and what makes it worse worthy of reward....TBH the more I learn about him,how for example he even records conversations with his own mum for future reference the more loathsome I find him, but that's just me ,I do know how I'd react if any of my sons EVER behaved as he does and let's just say they'd risk singing soprano 
~Lee~
Ref Ducky
The HM fan threads are open house..... they always have been. The best way to cope with it is with humour. If you look in the Shack the list of members is up to 64. Do you know how many of those are actual JJ fans? I could probably count them on my fingers.





Ho yes - don't go in there cos they will get you......
FM
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With all due respect Ducky I don't think all JJ fan's are as open minded as you....FM's discuss JJ fans in general terms at times,not aimed at FM fans as obviously there are others out there yet apparently it is taken as a personal thing resulting in much upset....I freely admit I despise how he behaves,absolutely despise it,I see him as an aggressive bully with deep seeded issues....On the other hand I am aware not everyone has LF access so base their opinion on HL show which is edited beyond belief but I cannot understand how or why a lot of folk think his behaviour is acceptable and what makes it worse worthy of reward....TBH the more I earn about him,how for example he even records conversations with his own mum for future reference the more loathsome I find him, but that's just me I do know how I'd react if any of my sons EVER behaved as he does.
That's not what we're discussing here Lee. That's a seperate issue all together.... but one I'm more than willing to discuss.

JJ fans are CONSTANTLY called in to question on here. I don't care one bit if someone doesn't like JJ. I'm quite happy to read all the threads criticising him for example, we've even claimed the Crab Eyes insult for our own I've never cared if someone doesn't like the same HM's as me..... I know my own mind and don't feel threatened if others disagree.

I understand that people find it difficult to see why JJ fans "accept" his behaviour and "reward" it...... but you need to think about it in a different way. We don't "accept" anything. We see his behaviour in a completely different way. So there's nothing to accept.

I know it can be difficult to get your head around it when you dislike him SO much, but there's really nothing else to say. That's why I rarely defend him on here. What's the point? I've never going to change anyones mind about.

I find it difficult to see the attraction in Ben, Corin, and many others..... but I always resist the temptation to question the motives and personalities of those that do.

I think people need to be careful when commenting generally about a group of fans (rather than the HM...... we all know they are fair game) in such a close knit community. On C4 it wasn't an issue, on here it can feel more personal. Last year a friend of mine liked Noreen (sp?)..... and at that time the Noreen fans were being given a difficult time. So I was careful what I posted. It wasn't an issue and she may not of even cared,but I just thought it was polite.
Ducky
I think last night has been blown out of proportion.
Zaph posted a light-hearted gif (I found out what that was last night) in the Ben's Buddies thread. I didn't and still don't think his intentions were malicious.
Unfortunately, it was immediately after Ben's eviction and some Buddies were still feeling really upset and disappointed (in the style of recently defeated football fanatics). Things were said and it all went a bit pear-shaped.
Please can we all shake hands, kiss and make up etc etc and get back to dissing the HMs?
*dons hard hat and body armour*
Yogi19
In a few weeks that lot of deperados will be yesterday's chip paper.   This forum and it's posters will still be here, so what's the point of falling out and insulting each other because of who supports who?    Most of the time it's easy to ignore those you don't like, and avoid posting with them, as is the freedom of choice.   IMHO it's much ado about nothing as the bard once said!      As for reporting somebody for posting a cleverly doctored picture that was funny as fekk....... seriously, come on, get some perspective here, and have a word with yourselves!    
FM
I can't quote,again...Any road I can understand what you mean Ducky and tbf Ben fans have had a lot of flack and unfounded generalisation too...Folk show their support in different ways I guess but no matter who I ever supported I had no qualms saying if they were wrong,I'm not so blind in RL about those who are important to me so why would I lower my standards about any HM...Some things the HM's do are indefensible ,again I won't defend it nor will I ignore it and polish rose tinted glasses I've a tough enough time bothering with my reading glasses.
~Lee~
glad you took it in the right spirit though
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I think last night has been blown out of proportion. Zaph posted a light-hearted gif (I found out what that was last night) in the Ben's Buddies thread. I didn't and still don't think his intentions were malicious. Unfortunately, it was immediately after Ben's eviction and some Buddies were still feeling really upset and disappointed (in the style of recently defeated football fanatics). Things were said and it all went a bit pear-shaped. Please can we all shake hands, kiss and make up etc etc and get back to dissing the HMs? *dons hard hat and body armour
Aw Yogi, brilliantly put. I don't know owt about pictures or reporting but I have been guilty of being over sensitive this morning, and missunderstandings occured however, like the normally sensible person I am, I have made my apologies, kissed and made up.  Loved your words, spot on
Fairfax
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In a few weeks that lot of deperados will be yesterday's chip paper.   This forum and it's posters will still be here, so what's the point of falling out and insulting each other because of who supports who?    Most of the time it's easy to ignore those you don't like, and avoid posting with them, as is the freedom of choice.   IMHO it's much ado about nothing as the bard once said!      As for reporting somebody for posting a cleverly doctored picture that was funny as fekk....... seriously, come on, get some perspective here, and have a word with yourselves!

   Tiddly.  I've just said something similar in The Shack.
Tayto.

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