Harry and Meghan have decided to step back as senior members of the Royal Family and work to become financially independent.
It's suggested the Queen was not told this info before it was released to the public. Apparently.
Royal transition in making America Great (Britain) Again: -
Prince Harry marries an American - Archie is born - They all ‘retire’ to USA - Archie gets dual citizenship - Archie becomes King - Archie also elected as US President - USA is once again ruled by an English King
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This then may allow a move towards 'rationalising' the languages and see a gentle phasing out of the words "down time" and the irksome "outages".
We all hope it will also end the use of the phrase "Can i get" and see it replaced with the correct "May i have"
Do you think their actions are correct/justified/just plain wrong?
I think this has been the plan of the narcissistic, money grabbing, praying mantis from the start - and Harry was an absolute idiot to fall for her act. He was warned and didn’t listen and now, as well as cutting off her own family, she has alienated Harry from his family and friends.
The royal family need to remove their titles, funding, security, Frogmore Cottage etc, with immediate effect. Do not allow them to have this part-time royal status with benefits that they want - cut the ungrateful wretches adrift before they do any more damage. IMO.
Yogi19 posted:I think this has been the plan of the narcissistic, money grabbing, praying mantis from the start - and Harry was an absolute idiot to fall for her act. He was warned and didn’t listen and now, as well as cutting off her own family, she has alienated Harry from his family and friends.
The royal family need to remove their titles, funding, security, Frogmore Cottage etc, with immediate effect. Do not allow them to have this part-time royal status with benefits that they want - cut the ungrateful wretches adrift before they do any more damage. IMO.
They do seem to want their cake and eat it.
Maybe that's why they used the phrase "stepping back"
Saint posted:Yogi19 posted:I think this has been the plan of the narcissistic, money grabbing, praying mantis from the start - and Harry was an absolute idiot to fall for her act. He was warned and didn’t listen and now, as well as cutting off her own family, she has alienated Harry from his family and friends.
The royal family need to remove their titles, funding, security, Frogmore Cottage etc, with immediate effect. Do not allow them to have this part-time royal status with benefits that they want - cut the ungrateful wretches adrift before they do any more damage. IMO.
They do seem to want their cake and eat it.
Maybe that's why they used the phrase "stepping back"
Deserting would be more like it, though I can understand why with all the grief they seem to be getting from all quarters...
Yogi19 posted:I think this has been the plan of the narcissistic, money grabbing, praying mantis from the start - and Harry was an absolute idiot to fall for her act. He was warned and didn’t listen and now, as well as cutting off her own family, she has alienated Harry from his family and friends.
The royal family need to remove their titles, funding, security, Frogmore Cottage etc, with immediate effect. Do not allow them to have this part-time royal status with benefits that they want - cut the ungrateful wretches adrift before they do any more damage. IMO.
Tbh I have some sympathy for Harry .....given what happened to his mum....but I have none for her I’m afraid . I think she is a fame grabber , who got more than she bargained for ! I found the way she treated her dad appalling 
But no doubt they will end up making a shed load of money trading in their *celebrity* in America . ..and I wonder how soon the kiss and tell stories will hit the media ! I hope the palace cuts them loose financially ...let them sink or swim on their own 
Agree with every word Yogi has said.
Tbh I don't think Henry's that bright. Same goes for his brother but at least he's with the progamme.
Good riddance SussexRoyal although I'm holding out for my patented and copywritten mug and T-shirt. Hope there's a calendar.
They seem to want all the privileges of royalty and none of the obligations. Meghan wanted to act the princess and be queen of the walk, but having to defer to William and Kate and being just the wife of a now minor royal didn't suit her at all. I originally gave the marriage five years, I'm now revising it to three before she ditches him
Roxan posted:One thing for sure, the royal family won’t let any of the princes marry any more Americans!
Definitely not one without much class
velvet donkey posted:Wish I was "woke".
But I prefer sleeping.
Roxan posted:One thing for sure, the royal family won’t let any of the princes marry any more Americans!
After Wallis and Meghan, I can’t say I’d blame them.
Kaytee posted:They seem to want all the privileges of royalty and none of the obligations. Meghan wanted to act the princess and be queen of the walk, but having to defer to William and Kate and being just the wife of a now minor royal didn't suit her at all. I originally gave the marriage five years, I'm now revising it to three before she ditches him
That’s it in a nutshell, Kaytee. 
Yogi19 posted:Roxan posted:One thing for sure, the royal family won’t let any of the princes marry any more Americans!
Wallis had dress sense Yogi and so did he
Sense is the operative word.
I don't believe Clarence House never knew beforehand. That is a closed shop.
Saint posted:Do you think their actions are correct/justified/just plain wrong?
Option 3
There might have been a certain amount of justification behind what they are wanting to do,building they are going about it in completely the wrong way!
It's the "financially independent" bit that is revealing
Currently they are 'paid' for work they are told to do by the house of Windsor - so being financially independent means they'll make their own money by 'choosing' what they do.
In other words they won't do any more engagements for the family.
Can they be independent and be Royalty?
This seems as close to an abdication as it gets.
And if it is then is he a traitor to his country?
Yogi19 posted:I think this has been the plan of the narcissistic, money grabbing, praying mantis from the start - and Harry was an absolute idiot to fall for her act. He was warned and didn’t listen and now, as well as cutting off her own family, she has alienated Harry from his family and friends.
The royal family need to remove their titles, funding, security, Frogmore Cottage etc, with immediate effect. Do not allow them to have this part-time royal status with benefits that they want - cut the ungrateful wretches adrift before they do any more damage. IMO.
agree 100% yogi - and shut the door on your way out
Yogi19 posted:Kaytee posted:They seem to want all the privileges of royalty and none of the obligations. Meghan wanted to act the princess and be queen of the walk, but having to defer to William and Kate and being just the wife of a now minor royal didn't suit her at all. I originally gave the marriage five years, I'm now revising it to three before she ditches him
That’s it in a nutshell, Kaytee.
yep agree
Eamonn Holmes has no sympathy for Meghan Markle:
"I just find her incredibly irritating. I've never met her but I look at her and I think 'I don't think I'd like you in real life.' Awful, woke, weak, manipulative, spoilt..."
I thought better of him - he's an idiot if he bases his condemning opinion on a 'feeling'.
He's a journalist FGS but brings forward no evidence. It's just nasty not professional.
It only adds weight to their justification to quit and move abroad.
Not a traitor,I'd say. Just abdicating from the line of succession. And bumping Archie up one!
Saint posted:Eamonn Holmes has no sympathy for Meghan Markle:
"I just find her incredibly irritating. I've never met her but I look at her and I think 'I don't think I'd like you in real life.' Awful, woke, weak, manipulative, spoilt..."
I thought better of him - he's an idiot if he bases his condemning opinion on a 'feeling'.
He's a journalist FGS but brings forward no evidence. It's just nasty not professional.
It only adds weight to their justification to quit and move abroad.
He is good friends with camilla
I want to make clear that this isn't meant as criticism of the OP, as I'm well aware that the phrase is already "out there", but I really don't like the term "#MEGXIT". I've been listening to a number of commentators about this over the last few days, and I do agree with them that the use of this term feels like part of what has been a continuous low-level attack on Meghan by certain aspects of the media - basically designed to give the impression that this is all about her and it's all her fault.
Another example I've noticed today has been the way in which the reporting of Meghan returning to Canada has referred almost exclusively to Meghan "leaving" - giving the impression that she's abandoning Harry to face the music. There's been barely any mention of the fact that the two of them only came over to the UK at short notice when the story broke, and Meghan is returning to be with Archie. The real question should therefore be not why Meghan left, but why Harry didn't...
I think it's pretty clear to anyone who's aware of Harry's history with the press (particularly the way he was treated as a young adult and his thinly disguised hatred of them over the death of his mother) that he is likely an even bigger driver in this. Some Royal correspondents have observed that he's wanted out for a long time - it's only now that he thinks he's found a way of doing it...
Saint posted:Eamonn Holmes has no sympathy for Meghan Markle:
"I just find her incredibly irritating. I've never met her but I look at her and I think 'I don't think I'd like you in real life.' Awful, woke, weak, manipulative, spoilt..."
I thought better of him - he's an idiot if he bases his condemning opinion on a 'feeling'.
He's a journalist FGS but brings forward no evidence. It's just nasty not professional.
It only adds weight to their justification to quit and move abroad.
Pretty outrageous and inappropriate comments from Holmes, there. As I've said above, certain corners of the media do seem to think they can criticise Meghan in ways that they wouldn't dream of with other members of the Royal Family.
Another example that occurs to me is the way Meghan got criticised for guest-editing Vogue. Some even called it "unprecedented", which was a flat out lie. Several Royals have edited magazines in the past, e.g. Prince Charles with Country Life, but they were never criticised for it - only Meghan...
He's more of an errant Royal than she's an errant social climber.
In other words he knew the press, the demands of the job, the family, the hours and what's expected of a Royal ... she didn't.
And still married someone who now says she doesn't like what's happening.
Shouldn't she have been made aware before they "got serious"?
Eugene, you'll always be a brother to me.
Who am I to contradict you.
velvet donkey posted:Eugene, you'll always be a brother to me.
Who am I to contradict you.
Aw, Velvet... 
I think we are seeing a sea-change in the Royals. Once the Queen and Prince Charles have gone it will be a different animal altogether. William has to toe the line so to speak as he is next in line after Charlie. Harry is never likely to see the throne, so he can do what he wants to some extent. The sooner they move to Canada, the sooner this will all be chip paper. My 2 cents.
Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:I think we are seeing a sea-change in the Royals. Once the Queen and Prince Charles have gone it will be a different animal altogether. William has to toe the line so to speak as he is next in line after Charlie. Harry is never likely to see the throne, so he can do what he wants to some extent. The sooner they move to Canada, the sooner this will all be chip paper. My 2 cents.
Considering the continued humiliation of Wallis and Gromit Edward I can see this causing never ending waves.
Saint posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:I think we are seeing a sea-change in the Royals. Once the Queen and Prince Charles have gone it will be a different animal altogether. William has to toe the line so to speak as he is next in line after Charlie. Harry is never likely to see the throne, so he can do what he wants to some extent. The sooner they move to Canada, the sooner this will all be chip paper. My 2 cents.
Considering the continued humiliation of Wallis and Gromit Edward I can see this causing never ending waves.
Another Brexit 
Moonie posted:Saint posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:I think we are seeing a sea-change in the Royals. Once the Queen and Prince Charles have gone it will be a different animal altogether. William has to toe the line so to speak as he is next in line after Charlie. Harry is never likely to see the throne, so he can do what he wants to some extent. The sooner they move to Canada, the sooner this will all be chip paper. My 2 cents.
Considering the continued humiliation of Wallis and Gromit Edward I can see this causing never ending waves.
Another Brexit
The press are like a dog with a bone - so this one will never go away.
Associates trying to calm the storm by suggesting the Queen wanted to "streamline" the Monarchy anyway.
Streamline it into what?
There's Charles who aint a spring chicken.
And ... Edward (never see him around) and Anne (not exactly the positive face for the future). Andrew has retired as has the Duke of Edinburgh.
So the future is - William + Catherine .... and?
Basically it's a bluff
Saint posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:I think we are seeing a sea-change in the Royals. Once the Queen and Prince Charles have gone it will be a different animal altogether. William has to toe the line so to speak as he is next in line after Charlie. Harry is never likely to see the throne, so he can do what he wants to some extent. The sooner they move to Canada, the sooner this will all be chip paper. My 2 cents.
Considering the continued humiliation of Wallis and Gromit Edward I can see this causing never ending waves.
To be fair, it's not something you see in the press everyday or even every year, just now and again. I bet there are generations coming through that have not even heard of them or what happened. Once those two have gone to Canada, you will hardly hear anything until they pop back here. I think I would do the same if I were them, looks like a controlled, stage managed life being a Royal. 
@Enthusiastic Contrafibularities time will tell i suppose
I'm disappointed they have chosen not to be part of a very important tradition.
Effectively turning their back on the UK - why should anyone else feel proud to be British if a Royal will walk away?
And why support the Monarchy if they won't support each other?
It's a mess
Saint posted:@Enthusiastic Contrafibularities time will tell i suppose
I'm disappointed they have chosen not to be part of a very important tradition.
Effectively turning their back on the UK - why should anyone else feel proud to be British if a Royal will walk away?
And why support the Monarchy if they won't support each other?
It's a mess
I’m going to be seriously annoyed if they are allowed to retain their titles, status, security etc whilst becoming part-time celebrities. They are either in, or out - they shouldn’t be allowed to have their cake and eat it.....and I say that as someone who supports the institution of the monarchy.
Yogi19 posted:Saint posted:@Enthusiastic Contrafibularities time will tell i suppose
I'm disappointed they have chosen not to be part of a very important tradition.
Effectively turning their back on the UK - why should anyone else feel proud to be British if a Royal will walk away?
And why support the Monarchy if they won't support each other?
It's a mess
I’m going to be seriously annoyed if they are allowed to retain their titles, status, security etc whilst becoming part-time celebrities. They are either in, or out - they shouldn’t be allowed to have their cake and eat it.....and I say that as someone who supports the institution of the monarchy.
I totally agree Yogi
Moonie posted:Saint posted:Enthusiastic Contrafibularities posted:I think we are seeing a sea-change in the Royals. Once the Queen and Prince Charles have gone it will be a different animal altogether. William has to toe the line so to speak as he is next in line after Charlie. Harry is never likely to see the throne, so he can do what he wants to some extent. The sooner they move to Canada, the sooner this will all be chip paper. My 2 cents.
Considering the continued humiliation of Wallis and Gromit Edward I can see this causing never ending waves.
Another Brexit
I was watching the "Papers" review on the BBC News channel a couple of days ago, and the reviewers all agreed that while last year was all about Brexit, this year was shaping up as being all about the Royals. As Press folk themselves, they all also - despite ostensibly coming across as sympathetic to the Royals - seemed rather keen at the prospect...
The thing is that although the Golden Goose of Brexit isn't going to entirely disappear anytime soon, it's not to going to generate the same newspaper sales either. The Royals, in contrast, are a dead cert, and the Press can even pretend they're moving on from Brexit: after all, what represents the "United" Kingdom more than the Royal Family?
Saint posted:@Enthusiastic Contrafibularities time will tell i suppose
I'm disappointed they have chosen not to be part of a very important tradition.
Effectively turning their back on the UK - why should anyone else feel proud to be British if a Royal will walk away?
And why support the Monarchy if they won't support each other?
It's a mess
The thing is, however, that the Royal Family isn't just the monarchy of the UK: it represents the monarchy of fifteen other countries as well - and that includes Canada...
Look at it in a global, "Commonwealth realms" context: Harry is only 5th in line to the throne (at the moment...), so his absence isn't going to be a huge loss to the UK monarchy. The Canadian monarchy, however, is stable and long-established, and yet - AFAIK - has never had a resident Royal. Think of the boost it would get from having Harry and Meghan move there...
[Fun Fact: the Canadian monarchy is not only one of the oldest continuing monarchies in the world; it's actually run continuously for longer than the UK monarchy.
(The series of French Kings who ruled over their "Colony of Canada" overlaps the Cromwell era...)]
