Could it be that Mandy has more carisma? I kinda like the guy even though he's despicable.

I've always been afraid to admit that on here but .........Mandy has a certain something - I rather like his ruthless determination. 

More likely that Mandy is more comfortable with what he once termed "the filthy rich".

I'm sure you are right.

fag hag *runs away*

im not clever with politics

but

didnt gordon sell the gold at cheap prices

and

f*ck up the pensions

and

leave the country in a mess..?

please feel free to correct me cos im just stating what i know..i think

This is a tough one GJ but I detest Mandleson so I would choose Brown over him any day.

Every time Mandleson speaks I expect him to hiss.

May be.........coz he's posh/Suvvern, thinks he has Gravitas, is scheming/Machiavellian, is Labour Royalty, legend has it can't tell mushy peas from guacamole, and is made of Teflon. Is that the line you're taking Jer? I know how much you hate the suits of London.

Hahahaha 

But they're not up for the same posts - they both have different skills and abilities. I'd back both of them in both posts but ...........nobody ever asks me 

Hahahaha again 

Mandleson is Bilderberg - simples

Absolutely Veggie.

Aquarius xxx

Did you ever see a programme called Secret Rulers of the World on C4 (I think)? The Bilderberg group were having a secret! meeting in some exclusive golf type resort in Portugal but a few locals had got wind of it and were spreading the word.

Film crews were outside and all of sudden this staff minibus went in through the gate and there was Mandy trying to hide on the floor of the thing so he wouldn't be spotted!

Yes I did veggie.  I've followed their 'exploits'   for years.  A big eye opener!!

But then some would label us conspiracy theorists for thinking outside the box.  A well, each to their own eh.

Suzybean.....spot on LOL!!

We need Old Hippy Guy back here - he was into all this stuff. I miss seeing him and Pepsi round the place!

Ooooh I love all that Bilderberg/Illuminati stuff 

Suzy, you can see quite a few from the series on various sites here

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=secret+rulers+of+the+world&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&redir_esc=&ei=rm7dTfTTDMOh8QO819ivBQ

Jon Ronson's book Them is also quite funny and interesting if you can pick up a copy

Ah them were the days veggie, I miss the ol' bugga too.

Suzybean, its a fascinating subject and well worth a little digging.

Thanks Veggie and Aquarius  I've done a little digging in the past before. It is very interesting but not totally conclusive.

Did you catch that thing on BBC4 about Heath and Wilson? I never knew they hated each other so much!

Defo worth a look. Dispatch boxes at dawn!

Candle lit days.....

Mandelson is the kind of Labour politician who can happily work with the self serving plutocrats of the Tory Party and the Tory Party are the kind of party that can happily work with a self serving plutocrat Labour politician like Mandelson.