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Originally Posted by Jenstar:
Originally Posted by Supes:

Leaving court Hall, who previously had described the allegations as "pernicious and spurious", was pressed by reporters for an apology but said: "I've got a very heavy cold. I have no comment to make at all."

What the heck has that got to do with anything?

Exactly, no remorse what so ever

FM
Originally Posted by Cinds:

All I'm going to add here is, I bet Bill Roache is regretting saying that comment about rape victims.


Do you mean the comment about their past lives and that they are paying for it in this life by being abused?  if so then I thought he was disgusting for saying that.

Videostar
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Cinds:

All I'm going to add here is, I bet Bill Roache is regretting saying that comment about rape victims.


Do you mean the comment about their past lives and that they are paying for it in this life by being abused?  if so then I thought he was disgusting for saying that.

Yeah that was horrible in the first place but all the recent news puts an evil twisted slant on that comment imo

Jen-Star
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Cinds:

All I'm going to add here is, I bet Bill Roache is regretting saying that comment about rape victims.


Do you mean the comment about their past lives and that they are paying for it in this life by being abused?  if so then I thought he was disgusting for saying that.

Oh, I didn't know that!

He told New Zealand's One News TV show that "if you accept that you are pure love, and if you know that you are pure love … these things won't happen to you".

Asked to clarify if that meant "victims bring things on themselves", Roache added: "No, not quite, but and yet I am … everything that happens to us has been a result of what we have been in previous lives."

He also called for anonymity for those accused of child sex offences because of the stigma they faced even if innocent.

FM
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Cinds:

All I'm going to add here is, I bet Bill Roache is regretting saying that comment about rape victims.


Do you mean the comment about their past lives and that they are paying for it in this life by being abused?  if so then I thought he was disgusting for saying that.

Oh, I didn't know that!

He told New Zealand's One News TV show that "if you accept that you are pure love, and if you know that you are pure love … these things won't happen to you".

Asked to clarify if that meant "victims bring things on themselves", Roache added: "No, not quite, but and yet I am … everything that happens to us has been a result of what we have been in previous lives."

He also called for anonymity for those accused of child sex offences because of the stigma they faced even if innocent.

I agree with him on the last bit, about anonymity, but the rest he is barking mad.

Videostar
Originally Posted by Jenstar:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Cinds:

All I'm going to add here is, I bet Bill Roache is regretting saying that comment about rape victims.


Do you mean the comment about their past lives and that they are paying for it in this life by being abused?  if so then I thought he was disgusting for saying that.

Yeah that was horrible in the first place but all the recent news puts an evil twisted slant on that comment imo

Yep, he was clearly thinking about his own past when he said those things.

Videostar
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Cinds:

All I'm going to add here is, I bet Bill Roache is regretting saying that comment about rape victims.


Do you mean the comment about their past lives and that they are paying for it in this life by being abused?  if so then I thought he was disgusting for saying that.

Oh, I didn't know that!

He told New Zealand's One News TV show that "if you accept that you are pure love, and if you know that you are pure love … these things won't happen to you".

Asked to clarify if that meant "victims bring things on themselves", Roache added: "No, not quite, but and yet I am … everything that happens to us has been a result of what we have been in previous lives."

He also called for anonymity for those accused of child sex offences because of the stigma they faced even if innocent.

I agree with him on the last bit, about anonymity, but the rest he is barking mad.

Perhaps he should have been a teacher in rl!

FM
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Cinds:

All I'm going to add here is, I bet Bill Roache is regretting saying that comment about rape victims.


Do you mean the comment about their past lives and that they are paying for it in this life by being abused?  if so then I thought he was disgusting for saying that.

Oh, I didn't know that!

He told New Zealand's One News TV show that "if you accept that you are pure love, and if you know that you are pure love … these things won't happen to you".

Asked to clarify if that meant "victims bring things on themselves", Roache added: "No, not quite, but and yet I am … everything that happens to us has been a result of what we have been in previous lives."

He also called for anonymity for those accused of child sex offences because of the stigma they faced even if innocent.

I agree with him on the last bit, about anonymity, but the rest he is barking mad.

Perhaps he should have been a teacher in rl!

He sure as hell should have been in prison.

Videostar
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Cinds:

All I'm going to add here is, I bet Bill Roache is regretting saying that comment about rape victims.


Do you mean the comment about their past lives and that they are paying for it in this life by being abused?  if so then I thought he was disgusting for saying that.

Oh, I didn't know that!

He told New Zealand's One News TV show that "if you accept that you are pure love, and if you know that you are pure love … these things won't happen to you".

Asked to clarify if that meant "victims bring things on themselves", Roache added: "No, not quite, but and yet I am … everything that happens to us has been a result of what we have been in previous lives."

He also called for anonymity for those accused of child sex offences because of the stigma they faced even if innocent.

What an utter shitbag he is.

I wonder if he's as accepting that he's getting his right now?

 

Cosmopolitan
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:

Roache is a co director of Ridings Publishing,alongside veteran broadcaster Stuart Hall.businessman Owen Oyston,who owns Blackpool FC and was sentenced to  6 years in prison for rape in 1996 is the major shareholder in the company which made a loss of 2 million last year.

Excerpt taken from todays mirror.

 

Birds of a feather etc.

Couldn't remember where I read this here... but found it now. So many questions to be answered. 

Xochi
Originally Posted by ~Cosmopolitan~:
Originally Posted by Xochiquetzal:

This bit of comment about Hall's comments a while back made me turn my stomach.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/medi...-5-live-instruct-sex

He said it like he was an expert on such matters.

Quite. Hindsight is sometimes a terrible thing eh? 

Xochi
Originally Posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

Can't help but wonder how high up the chain of power this thing goes ? 

 

Much further than we will ever know perhaps ?

I think so too comrade,it seems  mostly to be all show biz types at the moment.There's bound to be more that need investigating etc.

kattymieoww
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:
Originally Posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

Can't help but wonder how high up the chain of power this thing goes ? 

 

Much further than we will ever know perhaps ?

I think so too comrade,it seems  mostly to be all show biz types at the moment.There's bound to be more than need investigating etc.

 Whilst we are all oohing at the latest "celebs", i think its a bit of a smokescreen to the more higher up perpetrators...IMO 

FM
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:
Originally Posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

Can't help but wonder how high up the chain of power this thing goes ? 

 

Much further than we will ever know perhaps ?

I think so too comrade,it seems  mostly to be all show biz types at the moment.There's bound to be more than need investigating etc.

 Whilst we are all oohing at the latest "celebs", i think its a bit of a smokescreen to the more higher up perpetrators...IMO 

I'm convinced we're being force-fed the celebs to divert attention away from politicians, judiciary figures and police chiefs 

FM
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:
Originally Posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

Can't help but wonder how high up the chain of power this thing goes ? 

 

Much further than we will ever know perhaps ?

I think so too comrade,it seems  mostly to be all show biz types at the moment.There's bound to be more than need investigating etc.

 Whilst we are all oohing at the latest "celebs", i think its a bit of a smokescreen to the more higher up perpetrators...IMO 

The term 'pawn sacrifice' springs to mind, admittedly I have no substantial evidence to support my feelings, they are merely, well... as I say... feelings. 

 

I have read theories that saVile was a procurer for the powerful and well heeled again I don't know of any evidence to back this but it would explain his being "untouchable" through his entire life. 

 

Also would like to clarify that I am not at all suggesting those that are being brought to light are innocent (I have no knowledge of their guilt or otherwise), if victims can find any justice it is no bad thing.

 

I just wonder how many more "untouchables" there are out there.

Comrade Ogilvy
Originally Posted by Saint:

Victims as a smoke screen sounds truly horrendous

How you manage to turns things around is a gift .That is not what i meant, as you know, well hopefully.... goodnight to you.

FM

I was furious watching that man play the victim some months ago!! saying that the victims of his abuse have given him ill health.It's not easy going to the police when you have been sexually assaulted because they don't believe you.The questions you are asked make you feel that you are on trial. 

Delighted for his victims as they now get a sense of justice being done . I dont give a rats behind what age he is or what state of health he is in I want him locked up for the remainder of his life ,which according to him is two years .He took the innocence of a nine year old and left her I am sure with life long trauma.

FM
Originally Posted by Xochiquetzal:
Originally Posted by ~Cosmopolitan~:
Originally Posted by Xochiquetzal:

This bit of comment about Hall's comments a while back made me turn my stomach.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/medi...-5-live-instruct-sex

He said it like he was an expert on such matters.

Quite. Hindsight is sometimes a terrible thing eh? 

I remember listening to Fighting Talk that Saturday morning... when he said it there was just total shock in the studio. It was really jarring + out of context. For ages after I was thinking w.t.h.  

 

It takes a particularly sick mind to make jokes about it. 

FM
Originally Posted by Saint:

Victims as a smoke screen sounds truly horrendous

I don't think anyone was saying that though. 

 

Any justice for victims of the alleged (if they are found to be guilty) is welcome, if a little late. 

 

There was quite an uproar (rightly so) when the extent of saViles crimes became apparent, not only at the nature of the crimes themselves which were obviously disturbing in themselves but that he was able to engage in his beastly activities for decades evading justice to the very end. 

 

There are unanswered questions as to why he was able to do so. questions which may never be answered. was he protected ? if so... by whom ? and why ?

 

Allegations relating to the currently named celebs should be investigated and if found guilty, justice served, I think we can all agree on that.

 

However the fact that these individuals who themselves have evaded investigation for decades, raises the question... were they (like saVile) previously protected and now offered as a gambit until the public glare fades ?

 

Comrade Ogilvy
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by Saint:

Victims as a smoke screen sounds truly horrendous

How you manage to turns things around is a gift .That is not what i meant, as you know, well hopefully.... goodnight to you.

I honestly never meant anything negative there

Saint
Originally Posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
However the fact that these individuals who themselves have evaded investigation for decades, raises the question... were they (like saVile) previously protected and now offered as a gambit until the public glare fades ?

 

It would seem so Comrade. There seems to have been a male dominated, sexist, bullying culture at the BBC which turned a blind eye to the "foibles" of its untouchable stars

http://www.guardian.co.uk/medi...es-sexual-harassment

 

Excerpt form above  article:

"Miriam O'Reilly, who won a landmark age discrimination case against the BBC after she was dropped by BBC1's Countryfile, and has spoken out about bullying, said: "I am delighted they are going to remove the contractual gagging orders because they have been the main reason why BBC management has been able to say they have had a good track record on bullying in the past.

"I hope they are going to be strong on the bullies because they are still there. This is a good test for Tony Hall to see whether he has the mettle to sort the BBC out. Bullies were allowed to thrive in this organisation, they were almost untouchable and they were able to make people's lives an absolute misery."

FM
Originally Posted by erinp:

I was furious watching that man play the victim some months ago!! saying that the victims of his abuse have given him ill health.It's not easy going to the police when you have been sexually assaulted because they don't believe you.The questions you are asked make you feel that you are on trial. 

Delighted for his victims as they now get a sense of justice being done . I dont give a rats behind what age he is or what state of health he is in I want him locked up for the remainder of his life ,which according to him is two years .He took the innocence of a nine year old and left her I am sure with life long trauma.

I Agree Erin. It is despicable 

FM

Serial sex offender Stuart Hall has been  accused of giving his mansion to his wife to protect his fortune from  compensation claims made by his victims.

The former It’s A Knockout presenter is being  sued by at least six women in relation to harm and injuries they suffered at his  hands.

But the Daily Mail can reveal that in the  weeks before he admitted his guilty plea the 83-year-old transferred the  ownership of his £2million Cheshire mansion into the name of his  wife.

Last night it was claimed the move could be  an example of ‘asset stripping’ by the broadcaster to stop his victims from  making claims against his fortune.

Alan Collins, a solicitor from Pannone is  representing more than 50 victims of Jimmy Savile in their compensation claims  against his estate and the BBC.

He is now representing six of Hall’s victims  who want to sue him for compensation. Mr Collins is also considering taking  action against the BBC on their behalf.

He said: ‘Hall’s admission of guilt means we  will be able to pursue these cases expeditiously on behalf of our  clients.

‘Victims often live with the memories of the abuse hidden away at the back of their minds for years and it is particularly brave of such victims to come forward and face those memories.’

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But he condemned the fact Hall had  transferred the ownership of his home before his admission of guilt. Mr Collins  said: ‘We see this kind of cynical move all the time, it’s really horrible. It  is hugely problematic and it often happens in this sort of case.

‘Victims have enough on their plate already  having to deal with such a horrible personal tragedy and a criminal court  case.

 
Home: Hall has been registered as the joint owner of his red brick mansion in Wilmslow with his wife Hazel, 75, since at least 1981

Home: Hall has been registered as the joint owner of his  red brick mansion in Wilmslow with his wife Hazel, 75, since at least 1981

Then when they try to get their little bit  of justice in the civil courts they find they are getting a second dose of  injustice.’

Hall has been registered as the joint owner  of his red brick mansion in Wilmslow with his wife Hazel, 75, since at least  1981.

But his name was removed from the title for  the property registered at the Land Registry on February 22, 2013 making Hazel  the sole owner. There is no mortgage listed on the property.

Only two weeks earlier Hall had protested his  innocence to the allegations of sexual assault on the steps of Preston Crown  Court.

Sign over: Hall pictured with his wife in 1979

Sign over: Hall pictured with his wife in 1979

Then, just weeks after safely moving his  property into the name of his wife, Hall changed his plea and said he was guilty  of indecently assaulting 13 girls the youngest aged nine .

 

FM
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:

I'd chuck him out, change the locks, then sell up and give half the proceeds to a compensation fund. Anything left over would be given to relevant charities.

and me I wouldn't want his dirty money .

I do think there should be a law that if you are charged you cannot transfer any of your assets until the case has been concluded .

FM

Linda McDougall has revealed how Hall made  her life a misery when they worked together at BBC Manchester in the 1960s while  other colleagues have told how he used his fame to lure naive women into bed  with him.

Ms McDougall alleges that Hall, who last week  pleaded guilty at Preston Crown Court to 14 sex attacks that occurred across the  1960s, 70s and 80s, would use any excuse to molest his female  colleagues.

 
Linda Mcdougall
Veteran BBC broadcaster Stuart Hall
 

New revelations: Linda Mcdougall, pictured left, has  told how Stuart Hall, pictured right leaving court, would you any excuse to  touch up female colleague while they worked together at BBC Manchester in the  1960s 

Golden boy: Stuart Hall pictured while working as a presenter for the Look North news programme

Golden boy: Stuart Hall pictured while working as a  presenter for the Look North news programme

Ms McDougall told the Sunday Times: 'If you  were female, at the slightest opportunity he would put his arms around you and  force his body against yours.

 

Never a day would go by that he did not  touch me. He tried everything. He could stroke your knee or tweak your stocking  top, put his hand on your breast or rub your back.

'For me — and my female colleagues — Hall was  a damned nuisance. He was offensive and seemed unable to talk to a woman without  touching her.'

Her comments come amid revelations that  police raided a party at the home of the It's A Knockout presenter in August  1986 after complaints by his neighbours.

Shamed: Broadcaster Stuart Hall pictured outside Preston Crown Court on Thursday

Shamed: Broadcaster Stuart Hall pictured outside Preston  Crown Court on Thursday

Officers discovered the presenter naked in  the garden of his £2million mansion as a female guest swam in the nude in his  pool.

According to the Sunday Mirror, a friend  quoted at the time of the incident said: 'Stuart's mouth dropped open when the  policemen walked round to the back of the house. He recovered his cool and  covered up with a towel. Everyone was having a great time.'

Officers warned Hall to keep the noise down  and left the party. The incident occured just a few weeks after Hall abused an  11-year-old girl.

Ms McDougall, who only spoke out about Hall's  behaviour after he admitted his crimes in court last week, said she had no idea  he was a paedophile.

She said everyone at the Corporation must  have known what was going on but he was 'local hero' and if she complained, she  would have been the one who was sacked.

Another colleague, rugby league commentator  Eddie Waring, told how Hall once boasted that he had bedded more than 100 women  over the course of filming one series of It's A Knockout - which typically took  around three months.

Mr Waring, who died in 1986, confided in a  friend how he was left stunned by Hall claiming he lured naive girls back to  hotel room by telling them he could make them famous.

According to The Sunday People, Mr Waring  told the friend: 'I was astonished by what he was telling me.

'If he wasn't trying to bed the show's Score  Card girls, he was trying to pull the sexiest girls in the crowd. He told me  most were in their late teens.

'He was shameless and once revealed he had  slept with 100 girls during one series.'

And another former studio worker has told The  Mail on Sunday how floor manager Peter Barlow was nicknamed 'The Pimp' and lured  victims for Hall to the BBC’s Manchester studios for fake auditions.

The source claims that the women were lured  to a room where Barlow filmed them having sex with the It’s A Knockout  host.

 

The new accusations increase pressure for an  inquiry, similar to the Jimmy Savile investigation, into how bosses turned a  blind eye while Hall molested girls at BBC studios.

The latest incidents were said to have  happened in Hall’s dressing room, next to the office of news editor Tom German  and regional manager Ray Colley.

On one occasion it is claimed Hall and Barlow  even approached the studio’s production team to have the films processed.

The allegations echo an account of one of his  victims, Susan Harrison, who told how when she was 16 the presenter picked her  out at a school speech day and persuaded her to visit him at the BBC on the  pretext of recording a song. He later got her drunk and molested her in his car.

Detectives believe other BBC staff may have  helped Hall, now 83, trick girls seeking fame into visiting him.

 
Presenter: Stuart Hall pictured in 1968. Detectives believe that other BBC staff may have helped Hall trick girls into visiting him

Presenter: Stuart Hall pictured in 1968. Detectives  believe that other BBC staff may have helped Hall trick girls into visiting  him

Last night the former employee said  the  abuse took place at the studio for regional news programme Look  North from the  late 1970s until the show moved offices in 1981.

The ex-staff member said: ‘It was an  open  secret that Stuart Hall used to film sex videos in his dressing  room with women  procured for him by Peter Barlow. Peter’s nickname was  The Pimp and he was very  close to Stuart – he used to drive him to Look  North and It’s A  Knockout.

‘Peter would tell women to come into the Look  North studio for an audition and the pair would pretend to film the women while  they presented the  weather forecast.

‘Afterwards they would take  them to  Stuart’s dressing room and Peter would film him having sex with them.

‘On one occasion they approached the  processing team to process a video but they point-blank refused, they wouldn’t  go near it.

‘Women would come by Stuart’s dressing room  on a daily basis. 

'Stuart liked the women aged about 18. He  would meet them on It’s A Knockout,  some of them were score girls, or he also  picked up the pageant winners  from beauty contests he used to judge.

‘Everyone knew what was going on but no one  did anything about it because he was  the golden boy. As far as the bosses were  concerned, as long as he read  the news he could do what he liked. It was total  mismanagement by the  BBC.

'Next to Stuart’s  dressing room were the  offices of Tom German and Ray Colley. They  weren’t stupid and it was obvious  these women were having sex in  Stuart’s office. This all needs to be revealed,  as it was with Savile.

Honour: Hall pictured receiving the OBE for his services to broadcasting and charity last year

Honour: Hall pictured receiving the OBE for his services  to broadcasting and charity last year

‘I felt sick when I found out Stuart had been  abusing underage girls. It’s awful because we used to visit schools around  Lancashire and get  children to take part in cookery competitions.

'It’s awful now to think back and know that  probably helped him do those disgusting things.

‘There were odd things about Stuart. We used  to collect tins for charity.

'I remember getting some salmon and Stuart  kept it because he said the pensioners we were collecting for wouldn’t know what  to do with it. It’s little things like that that really tell you about someone’s  character.’

MPs and Hall’s victims have called on the BBC  to investigate his behaviour after he admitted assaulting 13 girls, the youngest  of whom was nine, between 1967 and 1986.

In the aftermath of his guilty pleas, it  emerged the married father of two told staff that girls he took to his dressing  room were his ‘nieces’.

Peter Barlow died aged 86 in 2007 and Tom  German died aged 66 in 1992.

When approached by The Mail on Sunday, Mr  Colley, 83, said: ‘While Stuart Hall is awaiting sentence it would be  inappropriate to comment.’

 

The BBC has no plans to set up a separate  inquiry into Hall, saying it has passed any information on to the Dame Janet  Smith Review, which is looking at practices at the BBC during the years of  Savile’s abuse.

However, last night Conservative MP Rob  Wilson said: ‘My gut instinct is the BBC are not using the Smith Review to get  to the truth and are instead using it to do the minimum necessary to carry on as  before.’

A spokesman for The National Association for  People Abused in Childhood said: ‘It’s disgusting the BBC gave Hall unfettered  opportunities to carry out his abuse.

‘The BBC owes it to his victims to open a new  inquiry that can scrutinise his behaviour and the colleagues who may have helped  him.’

Hall and the BBC are facing potential  compensation payouts after six victims contacted solicitor Alan Collins, a  partner at the law firm Pannone who is also pursuing the BBC over the Savile  scandal.

The BBC said: ‘All allegations that have been  made to the BBC in relation to Stuart Hall have been passed on to the police or  the Dame Janet Smith Review.’

 

FM

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