quote:Originally posted by vodka jellyfish:
there's a limit to how many times you can bang your head against a brick wall, when people keep twisting your words
You're still sore about the cricket whites thing, aren't you?
quote:Originally posted by vodka jellyfish:
there's a limit to how many times you can bang your head against a brick wall, when people keep twisting your words
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:quote:Originally posted by vodka jellyfish:
there's a limit to how many times you can ban your head against a brick wall, when people keep twisting your words
You're still sore about the cricket whites thing, aren't you?
quote:Originally posted by vodka jellyfish:
you quoted my typo
quote:Originally posted by vodka jellyfish:
there's a limit to how many times you can ban your head against a brick wall, when people keep twisting your words
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
I like all that and I see what's in the first paragraph quite often. When I lived in County Durham, I heard blatant and unashamed racism spoken openly in pubs, and regularly. Opened my eyes, for sure.
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Most people seem to accept that discrimination is wrong but there's a vagueness there because it's unjustificable discrimination that is wrong because it is not fair, where fair broadly means equal.
"Its unjustifiable discrimination that is wrong" ..... I`m glad you said that because `discrimination` has become a derogatory term in recent years and the ability to discriminate is a very necessary for survival. Our daily lives depend on being able to distinguish between different objects, people, situations etc. We need to be able to discriminate. And with this goes the ability to use past experience and knowledge to categorise and put people/things into groups. I know there are experiments by the Equal Opps brigade that try to disprove this, but in my experience I am generally right about the categories I put people into and this in turn protects me in my daily life.
In those situations, I personally start to question stuff because there's discrimination in that position and I want to know if people are aware of it and if it can be justified. That's not political correctness I'm using there, it's looking for consistency and following arguments through from our other shared values, such as a belief in equal treatment for similar attributes.
quote:Originally posted by Jeggo:
"Its unjustifiable discrimination that is wrong" ..... I`m glad you said that because `discrimination` has become a derogatory term in recent years and the ability to discriminate is a very necessary for survival. Our daily lives depend on being able to distinguish between different objects, people, situations etc. We need to be able to discriminate. And with this goes the ability to use past experience and knowledge to categorise and put people/things into groups. I know there are experiments by the Equal Opps brigade that try to disprove this, but in my experience I am generally right about the categories I put people into and this in turn protects me in my daily life.
quote:Originally posted by DanceSettee:
I say we hire a "PC brigade bus" and go flood the place with lentils
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:quote:Originally posted by DanceSettee:
I say we hire a "PC brigade bus" and go flood the place with lentils
I don't live far from Langley Mill in Derbyshire. We could drop off a few tofu bakes around there too, for much the same reason.
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:quote:Originally posted by Jeggo:
"Its unjustifiable discrimination that is wrong" ..... I`m glad you said that because `discrimination` has become a derogatory term in recent years and the ability to discriminate is a very necessary for survival. Our daily lives depend on being able to distinguish between different objects, people, situations etc. We need to be able to discriminate. And with this goes the ability to use past experience and knowledge to categorise and put people/things into groups. I know there are experiments by the Equal Opps brigade that try to disprove this, but in my experience I am generally right about the categories I put people into and this in turn protects me in my daily life.
Hurrah! Someone who sees the distinction! I often drop in that stereotypes are not necessarily bad things but never get challenged on it.
Earlier in the thread, someone moaned about a drive for equality, thinking it meant a drive for uniformity. Again, the clarity of the concept has gone if 'equality of opportunity' or 'similar treatment for similar attributes' has come to mean uniformity of people.
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:quote:Originally posted by Rekaf:quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:quote:Originally posted by vodka jellyfish:
saying "i'm proud to be british" is tantamount to saying "i'm a racist, homophobic, witch-burning nazi f*ck"
Can't argue with that.
*runs*
see, you can learn a lot about yourself on this forum..........
You can! I'm part of an ilk, apparently. Of what is not entirely clear yet.
quote:Originally posted by DanceSettee:quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:quote:Originally posted by DanceSettee:
I say we hire a "PC brigade bus" and go flood the place with lentils
I don't live far from Langley Mill in Derbyshire. We could drop off a few tofu bakes around there too, for much the same reason.
I will have to be Tuesday I'm afraid....Sunday's my day for sitting in a pub in Wales moaning about how we don't like being called British
quote:Originally posted by DanceSettee:quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:quote:Originally posted by DanceSettee:
I say we hire a "PC brigade bus" and go flood the place with lentils
I don't live far from Langley Mill in Derbyshire. We could drop off a few tofu bakes around there too, for much the same reason.
I will have to be Tuesday I'm afraid....Sunday's my day for sitting in a pub in Wales moaning about how we don't like being called British
quote:Originally posted by vodka jellyfish:
"i'm proud to be british" might mean just that, nothing more, nothing less. BUT political correctness has given that phrase so many sinister connotations that, these days, saying "i'm proud to be british" is tantamount to saying "i'm a racist, homophobic, witch-burning nazi f*ck".
quote:Originally posted by PeterCat:quote:Originally posted by vodka jellyfish:
"i'm proud to be british" might mean just that, nothing more, nothing less. BUT political correctness has given that phrase so many sinister connotations that, these days, saying "i'm proud to be british" is tantamount to saying "i'm a racist, homophobic, witch-burning nazi f*ck".
Actually, I think you'll find it's the BNP and the NF who are to blame for that - not political correctness.
quote:Originally posted by DanceSettee:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Daniel J*:
I like all that and I see what's in the first paragraph quite often. When I lived in County Durham, I heard blatant and unashamed racism spoken openly in pubs, and regularly. Opened my eyes, for sure.
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Imagine herding cats. Glance away and they're off in every direction.
quote:Originally posted by Garage Joe:
Indeed we are all terrible.
Just for a laugh Leccy and I like to walk through Spennymoor dressed up as Sir Oswald Mosley and Diana Guiness. The blond wig really suits me.
quote:Originally posted by fracas:quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
It's not like Orwell's Newspeak at all. There isn't a move to limit the dictionary, or reduce the total number of words, or remove nuance by getting rid of synonyms and antomyms. Orwell simply understood the power of words and the theory behind changing the way people think about stuff by changing labels, and put it into a totalitarian backdrop.
So, it was bad in 1984, but it's entirely OK now? It is, if you think about it, a way to control thought. Open to abuse and open to question, rightly so.
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