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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:

I don't know, is it something in our DNA that makes us WANT or NEED to show our dominance or superiority over another person? Or is it just our ever increasing need of oil that causes us to invade oil rich countries that have shown no overt threat but may do because some idiot thinks they are a threat?

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:


As for me, I will burn my sage and chant my adoration to Mother Earth.

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:


I have tried to make the same point before. We have extremists everywhere declaring that their views are right and if we don't believe as they do, we will burn in hell.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

[quote]When I was a kid, people used to call people in wheelchairs 'handicapped' probably without thinking about it and almost certainly without malice. Of course, wheelchair users are handicapped when presented with a set of stairs. They're probably no more handicapped than me though when sat at a desk using a computer. Yet I was defined by being normal and they were defined as being handicapped. That's not Orwellian newspeak to discourage people from seeing wheelchair users as 'the handicapped' and encouraging people to see beyond the wheelchair to what they are actually able to do. Negative to positive, you see.

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Originally posted by fracas:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by fracas:
Sometimes it's better to keep schtum because the pat reply seems to imply some sort of prejudice

Ironic, really, given the pat reply was to the pat label PC Brigade.

It's in the thread title, and Suzi asked what it meant. You replied saying it was a phrase used by people, usually racists. Check your post. I quoted it.

Anyway Dan, what kind of arrogance is it of anyone to tell people how to think? I knew the word 'P*ki' was horrible in the 70s and had the intelligence and judgement not to use it. Some of us great unwashed can tell right from wrong ourselves! Imagine! A lot of the resentment towards the thought police (a term you 'gratefully' accepted yourself) is based on the mistaken assumption that grown-ups need telling how to think. Your posts smack of an exasperated parent trying to get through to a child. Doesn't the reaction of many people to Marcus's 'up yours' to BB tell you something?

I like you Deej, don't get me wrong, but just think, maybe, political correctness (for want of a better phrase) has its detractors for a reason?

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by china:
i object-and so do many others of my 'ilk' to people thinking they know whats good for me-they bloody do not

Have you considered that it's not just for the good of your ilk, as you put it. Certain ethnic groups, Bangladeshi for example, do less well on average than other ethnic groups, such as East African Indians. Well meaning, say, educational achievement and employment status. Should we, as a society and our government, simply ignore that? What if that difference breeds resentment and it causes social unrest. As it has done in the past. What if more social security payments need to be meted out to that group? What causes the difference? A inherent stupidity in Bangladeshis? An internal cultural issue? A bias against them by the local population or the state system? That's all on top of the loss of potential we as a whole might be experiencing as far as industry innovation, academic research, or tax revenues are concerned.

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Originally posted by tupps:
I have had some delicious roast chicken (herb crusted and rustled up by my own fair hand).. I planned on a sensible debatey type post but now I'm too full and I'm watching a particularly funny episode of Most Haunted..

Suffice to say.. intent.. it is the nucleus..

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Originally posted by china:

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Originally posted by tupps:
I have had some delicious roast chicken (herb crusted and rustled up by my own fair hand).. I planned on a sensible debatey type post but now I'm too full and I'm watching a particularly funny episode of Most Haunted..

Suffice to say.. intent.. it is the nucleus..

which one?
i mean most haunted not which chicken

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Originally posted by china:


my 'ilk' do NOT want you or your 'ilk' to stand up for us

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It's not like Orwell's Newspeak at all. There isn't a move to limit the dictionary, or reduce the total number of words, or remove nuance by getting rid of synonyms and antomyms. Orwell simply understood the power of words and the theory behind changing the way people think about stuff by changing labels, and put it into a totalitarian backdrop.

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Originally posted by PinkBabe1966:
With reagrd to your comment about immigrants learning English before they come to this country, surely it makes sense to have a working knowledge of the language of the country you are going to live in before becoming a resident of that country. It makes my blood boil when you hear of people who have gone to live in France or Spain who don't learn the language first.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:



My point was, surely it's slightly absurd and rude to then rip the piss out of their accents, seeing as they've gone to all that effort?

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Originally posted by *BB*:
I must take you to task on your comment regarding "they're not being more handicapped than you when sat at a computer" though. Many wheelchair users have numerous health issues, myself included, and there's no way I could sit at a conventional desk in front of a conventional computer for instance.

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Originally posted by china:
right, this is my last go,

my 'ilk' do NOT want you or your 'ilk' to stand up for us
we are more than capable to do this for ourselves
we DO NOT want you to keep pointing out this and that, we are NOT f*cking stupid
and if anyone on this forum is of a different culture to the people who keep sticking up for us would you please back me up
im so far from this pc bollox its unreal
i live here, its my home and thats it
God save the queen

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
What is it with this quoting thing? What I actually said was:

"They're probably no more handicapped than me though when sat at a desk using a computer"

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I put the "probably" in because I am well aware that a wheelchair user may have many other health issues. Whether a wheelchair user might also have neck vertebrae problems, and I might have RSI problems, isn't really the point of what I was saying, was it?

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Originally posted by Rekaf:
it was always believed that black kids did not do as well as white kids, some people blamed the teachers who they say (unwittingly) thought the black kids would not do as well anyway so did not push them, if you remember, trevor phillips came in for some severe stick when he suggested that the problem could be that some black kids may condider that its not 'cool' to get good marks, now, last week we are told that its the white males who are lagging behind just about everyone....whats going on?, what can we believe, we are all quoting different sources who is telling the truth, but apart from all this, is it possible that some kids are cleverer than others....is it possible that some kids are more artistic than others, is it possible that some kids revel in the abstract rigidity of maths and some would rather create a story..i'm not talking about ethnic groups just individual children, why this obsession with uniformity, i have read and heard so many contradictions that my head spins with it all, pc is about equality and uniformity its about not calling someone an imbecile or retarded but saying they have 'learning difficulties'...swapping one label for another because when wayne goes to the corner shop and beats the crap out of the owner, he isn't a violent thug, he has 'learning difficulties'...i'm all for helping people but calling a blind man visually challenged doesn't help him, you think that by changing labels you will change thought and thereby change perceptions, you wont......rant over goodnight.

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Originally posted by fracas:
That is just mental. Sorry, cerebrally challenged.

I think *BB* has more authority to speak on this, and no amount of theorising changes that.

This is what makes me

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

Where to start with this? Yes, some kids are more artistic than others, some are cleverer than others, and so on. When people talk about equality in this context, they're talking about equality of access, equality of opportunity, and so on, rather than equality as uniformity of people. I thinking what you're actually railing against is the left-wing political philosophy of the 20th century. A slightly bigger topic, really, than the tool of political correctness used to shake up some stagnant thinking every now and again.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by fracas:
That is just mental. Sorry, cerebrally challenged.

I think *BB* has more authority to speak on this, and no amount of theorising changes that.

This is what makes me

Lordy, it's like herding cats.

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Originally posted by fracas:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by fracas:
That is just mental. Sorry, cerebrally challenged.

I think *BB* has more authority to speak on this, and no amount of theorising changes that.

This is what makes me

Lordy, it's like herding cats.

Don't you think *BB* has more idea about disability than you then?

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
If "Sooty" was offended, he could have made a mint.

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Originally posted by tupps:


and how do you know what Daniel's circumstances are.


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Originally posted by fracas:

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Originally posted by tupps:


and how do you know what Daniel's circumstances are.


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I know he's able bodied.

It was a question for Deej, it's for him to answer.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:


The story was just a convenient media thing to give the other story at the time some legs. I wonder though how and where he first got the nickname. You can see how a bald man on a building site ends up being called, say, Curly.

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Originally posted by tupps:


Ah but do you though.. you know what people tell you.

It's a public forum last time I looked..

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Originally posted by fracas:

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Originally posted by tupps:


Ah but do you though.. you know what people tell you.

It's a public forum last time I looked..

Course it is. It was just a direct convo with, and question to, Dan.

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Originally posted by fracas:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by fracas:
That is just mental. Sorry, cerebrally challenged.

I think *BB* has more authority to speak on this, and no amount of theorising changes that.

This is what makes me

Lordy, it's like herding cats.

Don't you think *BB* has more idea about disability than you then?

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
*strums banjo*

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Originally posted by strike:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
*strums banjo*

daddaling ding ding ding ding ding ding

name that tune in seven ?

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Originally posted by strike:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:
*strums banjo*

daddaling ding ding ding ding ding ding

name that tune in seven ?