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Originally posted by vodka jellyfish:
no, i'm talking more generally...i'm not advocating the use of derogatory words against a member of a particular group; i'm saying that it's difficult to voice any sort of opinion outside of the pc party-line without the argument being dismissed as offensive, even if it's not intended that way

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Originally posted by hal:

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Originally posted by fracas:

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Originally posted by Rekaf:
your motives are good and in the examples ...problems to challenges...works very well when in the seminar for company unity and its good in some instances but sometimes not so good in the real world. political correctness must be challenged like everything else...

Fabulous post

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

Yes I thought so, but didn't voice my opinion earlier on.

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Originally posted by Rekaf:
your motives are good and in the examples ...problems to challenges...works very well when in the seminar for company unity and its good in some instances but sometimes not so good in the real world. political correctness must be challenged like everything else....nothing can be absolute or it ends up corrupted absolutely....we do have nonsensical pc...ba ba black sheep, manhole covers, blackboards, whitewash, flying certain flags....i realise that a lot of the negatives get a lot more publicity than the positives but it points out what may happen if its unrestrained, and without pc this country, like most of western europe has managed to have democratic governments, social security, welfare systems, old age pensions and everything else that goes with it.....

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by tupps:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by tupps:

The one winner?

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Originally posted by fracas:
Sometimes it's better to keep schtum because the pat reply seems to imply some sort of prejudice

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by fracas:
Sometimes it's better to keep schtum because the pat reply seems to imply some sort of prejudice

Ironic, really, given the pat reply was to the pat label PC Brigade.

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Originally posted by china:
mr dan
youre not a lawyer are you

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Rekaf:
your motives are good and in the examples ...problems to challenges...works very well when in the seminar for company unity and its good in some instances but sometimes not so good in the real world. political correctness must be challenged like everything else....nothing can be absolute or it ends up corrupted absolutely....we do have nonsensical pc...ba ba black sheep, manhole covers, blackboards, whitewash, flying certain flags....i realise that a lot of the negatives get a lot more publicity than the positives but it points out what may happen if its unrestrained, and without pc this country, like most of western europe has managed to have democratic governments, social security, welfare systems, old age pensions and everything else that goes with it.....

I don't think you'll find many liberals like me saying that political correctness or anything else shouldn't be challenged. Quite the opposite, really. The trouble with 'political correctness' is mostly that it's been hijacked, satired, co-opted by the left, satired again, co-opted by the right, mis-used, misunderstood, and that the satire has been taken as truth at times. It's almost meaningless, really, except as an insult.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by fracas:
Sometimes it's better to keep schtum because the pat reply seems to imply some sort of prejudice

Ironic, really, given the pat reply was to the pat label PC Brigade.

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Originally posted by china:
LOL!

i take it thats pat?

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Originally posted by fracas:
I knew the word 'P*ki' was horrible in the 70s and had the intelligence and judgement not to use it. Some of us great unwashed can tell right from wrong ourselves!

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by tupps:

The one winner?

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Originally posted by china:
LOL!

i take it thats pat?

And that was your pat reply!

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Originally posted by tupps:

was you raising those brows to me young tupps?
if so-i shall contact my lawyers 'fleecem,screwem and rakeitin'

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by fracas:
I knew the word 'P*ki' was horrible in the 70s and had the intelligence and judgement not to use it. Some of us great unwashed can tell right from wrong ourselves!

Well, it's still being used out there and now mocking Asian accents is back in vogue, it seems!

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Originally posted by fracas:
Get out the house once in a while, seriously.

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by fracas:
Get out the house once in a while, seriously.

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Originally posted by Honey!!:
marcus was right in what he said ,, we all thinkit ,, and what to say it ,, he did right standing up to bb ,, well done marcus ,, we allw ere wathcing and in my house was clapping we loved hwta he said

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Get out the house once in a while, seriously.

*hands Blizz the vaseline and offers to hold her coat*

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Get out the house once in a while, seriously.

*hands Blizz the vaseline and offers to hold her coat*

OMG, what sort of club are we going to?

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Get out the house once in a while, seriously.

*hands Blizz the vaseline and offers to hold her coat*

OMG, what sort of club are we going to?

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Originally posted by Eugene's Lair:
True "PC" is simply about avoiding undue offense to others, and (getting back to the original point of this thread), I saw nothing in Marcus's comments last night that the truly PC would actually disagree with - his point was not that we should be allowed to mock others, but that everyone should be treated equally.

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Originally posted by fracas:
Sometimes it's better to keep schtum because the pat reply seems to imply some sort of prejudice

Ironic, really, given the pat reply was to the pat label PC Brigade.

It's in the thread title, and Suzi asked what it meant. You replied saying it was a phrase used by people, usually racists. Check your post. I quoted it.

Anyway Dan, what kind of arrogance is it of anyone to tell people how to think? I knew the word 'P*ki' was horrible in the 70s and had the intelligence and judgement not to use it. Some of us great unwashed can tell right from wrong ourselves! Imagine! A lot of the resentment towards the thought police (a term you 'gratefully' accepted yourself) is based on the mistaken assumption that grown-ups need telling how to think. Your posts smack of an exasperated parent trying to get through to a child. Doesn't the reaction of many people to Marcus's 'up yours' to BB tell you something?

I like you Deej, don't get me wrong, but just think, maybe, political correctness (for want of a better phrase) has its detractors for a reason?

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
From what I have been able to garner from this thread, the PC Brigade are they people who expect us to go "tut, tut" with every perceived slight.

I suppose it has to do with the fact that I'm old tree hugger, hippy type. I just want everyone to get along and be accepted for who they are, no matter their religious beliefs, cultures, ethnic origins, etc.

If I like someone and get along with someone, it's not because they are from the same ethnic background as I am. I get along with them because they have the characteristics that I like - no matter what.

I have black friends, white friends, muslim friends, christian friends, disabled friends, etc. There are people I dislike that are all of the above too. I tend to treat people as I would want to be treated. *shrugs*

I am not so naive to think that others think the way I do. The fact that the BNP is beoming more and more popular is a testimony to that.

I see where Marcus is coming from. He is entitled to dislike Sree for being a total arse - and that has nothing to do with his ethnic origin.

Sorry, I'm waffling on . . .

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Originally posted by china:
marcus was right in everything he said
AND he stuck to his guns
sree is a little coniving git, and you could tell BB backed down
and so they should

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Originally posted by china:
can we not argue
cos i'll be honest, i get offended, i mean deeply offended when someone sticks up for me because of my background, colour, whatever
and that person has probably never stepped foot on a ferry to jersey out of england
not EVERY brown, yellow, black face takes offence to things
in fact me and my mates (not all, but most) can find it funny
life is for living, not argueing (sp)
so dont stick up for us
chill out and join us-its more fun

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

You didn't quote it, you highlighted a term. Here's what I actually said, all very carefully worded and qualified:

"It's a term often used by closet or unconscious racists who regret that they can't speak their mind openly in polite society anymore, in my experience anyway."

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That doesn't say people who use the term PC Brigade are closet or unconscious racists. Venn diagram stuff, innit.

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Also, I didn't accept the label Thought Police, I pointed out that I was part of the PC Brigade for the purposes of sticking a middle finger up to. A wry comment, see.

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PC Brigade is just a pat label. A laziness, really. It's a convenient label for people to hang their frustrations on. It's not actually about political correctness in the true sense. .

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It's about PC Gone Mad, and PC Gone Mad is about the apocryphal Baa Baa Black Sheep and Winterval stories. Mostly nonsense, in other words

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Originally posted by Blizzie:


I'll bet that half the people clapping Marcus's stand, will also be first in line to demand immigrants learn English pretty sharpish on arrival, or before they arrive. Do they also expect complete eradication of the accent too?

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Originally posted by Blizzie:

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Originally posted by china:
can we not argue
cos i'll be honest, i get offended, i mean deeply offended when someone sticks up for me because of my background, colour, whatever
and that person has probably never stepped foot on a ferry to jersey out of england
not EVERY brown, yellow, black face takes offence to things
in fact me and my mates (not all, but most) can find it funny
life is for living, not argueing (sp)
so dont stick up for us
chill out and join us-its more fun

Aww, china, that's all very well, but when you watch a documentary about an Asian lady running a village shop, with secret cameras recording countless 'locals' of all ages, shouting P*ki through the door, all through the day, or coming in and treating her like dirt, it makes you want to change things.

If I'm now allowed to mock Mr Patel's accent, the next time he gets my newspaper bill wrong and gets a bit arsey with me, then we're moving backwards, IMO.

I'll bet that half the people clapping Marcus's stand, will also be first in line to demand immigrants learn English pretty sharpish on arrival, or before they arrive. Do they also expect complete eradication of the accent too?