I'm PC to the point of annoyingness and I think Marcus was right.

Oh no, do I have to hand my badge in?

I was clapping like mad. Well said Marcus

I notice when Sree, Kris, etc mimic Freddie's voice in an unfriendly way, they don't get warnings.

Nice and fair BB.

I lauged when BB said have you anything to say,probably expecting remorse and an apology and Marcus just turned around and said "thats shit"

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
I lauged when BB said have you anything to say,probably expecting remorse and an apology and Marcus just turned around and said "thats shit"

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
I lauged when BB said have you anything to say,probably expecting remorse and an apology and Marcus just turned around and said "thats shit"

That was classic

Sorry but I hate the thought police...a massive middle finger up to them from me.

Marcus has just gone from losser to hero .

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Originally posted by Videostar:
Sorry but I hate the thought police...a massive middle finger up to them from me.

Me too

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Originally posted by Videostar:
Sorry but I hate the thought police...a massive middle finger up to them from me.

*accepts it gracefully*

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Videostar:
Sorry but I hate the thought police...a massive middle finger up to them from me.

Me too

Im aving that smiley.

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Originally posted by Videostar:


Im aving that smiley.

Will come in very handy methinks

I was in agreement with Marcus regarding the race issue,however BB had to give him a warning because Marcus did say "say it when we get out",Lesley(bb4) said something along the same line and she was issued with a warning.
Marcus should have known better than to argue with the little Sh**.

Oh I've got a feeling I might be useing it from time to time.

Perhaps someone could explain to me what the "PC Brigade" is?

I hear it touted all the time on this forum, but have never understood what it means.

He was bang on when he laid into BB for trumping up such crap because they're scared of a PC backlash. I have always loved Marcus (joint fave with Siavash) and I could have just hugged the telly tonight.

He's right x a million, and when BB brought him back in again it just made BB look an even bigger twat. Great!

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
Perhaps someone could explain to me what the "PC Brigade" is?

I hear it touted all the time on this forum, but have never understood what it means.

A lazy insult toward those who don't think life was once an Enid Blyton book...often confused with health and safety by the sort of people who are obsessed with wheely bins

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
Perhaps someone could explain to me what the "PC Brigade" is?

I hear it touted all the time on this forum, but have never understood what it means.

It's a term often used by closet or unconscious racists who regret that they can't speak their mind openly in polite society anymore, in my experience anyway.

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
Perhaps someone could explain to me what the "PC Brigade" is?

I hear it touted all the time on this forum, but have never understood what it means.

A lazy insult toward those who don't think life was once an Enid Blyton book...often confused with health and safety by the sort of people who are obsessed with wheely bins

Or people who decide on everyone else behalf what we can and cant say, because in their tiny little white middle class worlds think they are helping us all live as one, but in reality are causing more problems.

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Originally posted by erinp:
I was in agreement with Marcus regarding the race issue,however BB had to give him a warning because Marcus did say "say it when we get out",Lesley(bb4) said something along the same line and she was issued with a warning.
Marcus should have known better than to argue with the little Sh**.

Err, I'll think you'll find that Lesley was in BB6, DUUUUH!

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
It's a term often used by closet or unconscious racists who regret that they can't speak their mind openly in polite society anymore, in my experience anyway.

****ing hell.

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Originally posted by Videostar:

Or people who decide on everyone else behalf what we can and cant say, because in their tiny little white middle class worlds think they are helping us all live as one, but in reality are causing more problems.

Middle class, oh yeah, that describes me to a T that does

*dies laughing*

Oh Videogrumpy, worra you like

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
I was clapping like mad. Well said Marcus

Me too!!

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by Videostar:

Or people who decide on everyone else behalf what we can and cant say, because in their tiny little white middle class worlds think they are helping us all live as one, but in reality are causing more problems.

Middle class, oh yeah, that describes me to a T that does

*dies laughing*

Oh Videogrumpy, worra you like

I swear, come to london and you'll see , white middle class liberal twats thinking they are doing good on behalf of minority groups...they are sandal knitters.

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Originally posted by Rawky-Roo:

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Originally posted by erinp:
I was in agreement with Marcus regarding the race issue,however BB had to give him a warning because Marcus did say "say it when we get out",Lesley(bb4) said something along the same line and she was issued with a warning.
Marcus should have known better than to argue with the little Sh**.

Err, I'll think you'll find that Lesley was in BB6, DUUUUH!

Lesley who went in wearing a nurses uniform not Lesley who said she was smelling her sheets

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Originally posted by ѕρι∂єямσηкєγ:
I bet he's made a few enemies among the viewers tonight.

I'll bet he also made quite a few friends, me included!

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by Videostar:

Or people who decide on everyone else behalf what we can and cant say, because in their tiny little white middle class worlds think they are helping us all live as one, but in reality are causing more problems.

Middle class, oh yeah, that describes me to a T that does

*dies laughing*

Oh Videogrumpy, worra you like

Hey Leccy,I am like you in that I do actually have many 'right on' beliefs but BB has gone pussy after stupid trumped up allegations in the past and Marcus was bob on, wasn't he? I love him for his stance!

True 'political correctness' is about the relationship between words and thoughts. We not only put our thoughts into words, we also think in certain ways over time because of the words we use. It's the second of those that gives political correctness its power and makes it quite desirable if used properly.

For instance, describing someone as 'disabled' is making an implicit and potentially wide-reaching distinction between 'normal' people and 'disabled' people. Their particular disability might simply be that they can't walk very far.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
Perhaps someone could explain to me what the "PC Brigade" is?

I hear it touted all the time on this forum, but have never understood what it means.

It's a term often used by closet or unconscious racists who regret that they can't speak their mind openly in polite society anymore, in my experience anyway.

I still don't get it. Ok, I'm thick, but isn't it just as bad to give concessions to a particular ethnic group just BECAUSE they are in that group?

Perhaps it's just because I am an old hippy and want us all to live together in peace and harmony, but there are always going to be people that you just can't connect with, no matter if they're "black or white".

I agree Fracas, I'm one of those sandal knitting types so hated on here but aye, the ofcom lot have got BB running scared. There's no way Marcus is racist and Sree was playing on it...Sree knew what he was doing.

TBH I'm shocked I'm even saying it coz 99 times out of 100 I'd probably say the opposite to now.

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
True 'political correctness' is about the relationship between words and thoughts. We not only put our thoughts into words, we also think in certain ways over time because of the words we use. It's the second of those that gives political correctness its power and makes it quite desirable if used properly.

For instance, describing someone as 'disabled' is making an implicit and potentially wide-reaching distinction between 'normal' people and 'disabled' people. Their particular disability might simply be that they can't walk very far.

Oh yet again we agree. I can hear the shell suits rattling a mile off.

Another point I would make is that the get out clause people us of 'it's only words' is that you have to be thinking those dodgy thoughts to even have the words in your head in the fist place.

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:


I still don't get it. Ok, I'm thick, but isn't it just as bad to give concessions to a particular ethnic group just BECAUSE they are in that group?

Perhaps it's just because I am an old hippy and want us all to live together in peace and harmony, but there are always going to be people that you just can't connect with, no matter if they're "black or white".

That's pretty much it in a nutshell

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I still don't get it. Ok, I'm thick, but isn't it just as bad to give concessions to a particular ethnic group just BECAUSE they are in that group?

That isn't really what PC was/should be about.

It's just been hijacked by the right wing press to be twisted into that.

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Originally posted by electric6:
I agree Fracas, I'm one of those sandal knitting types so hated on here but aye, the ofcom lot have got BB running scared. There's no way Marcus is racist and Sree was playing on it...Sree knew what he was doing.

TBH I'm shocked I'm even saying it coz 99 times out of 100 I'd probably say the opposite to now.

Exactly, holding one's own beliefs doesn't mean you can't smell bullshit. And this was bullshit

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
Ok, I'm thick, but isn't it just as bad to give concessions to a particular ethnic group just BECAUSE they are in that group?

F'sure.

Actually, let me qualify that. Giving concessions to ethnic minority groups might be justifiable to offset systematic disadvantage. Giving advantages to individuals simply for being part of an ethnic minority group is almost certainly not justifiable.

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Originally posted by electric6:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
True 'political correctness' is about the relationship between words and thoughts. We not only put our thoughts into words, we also think in certain ways over time because of the words we use. It's the second of those that gives political correctness its power and makes it quite desirable if used properly.

For instance, describing someone as 'disabled' is making an implicit and potentially wide-reaching distinction between 'normal' people and 'disabled' people. Their particular disability might simply be that they can't walk very far.

Oh yet again we agree. I can hear the shell suits rattling a mile off.

Another point I would make is that the get out clause people us of 'it's only words' is that you have to be thinking those dodgy thoughts to even have the words in your head in the fist place.

See, this the problem I have. We are expected to differ to the elderly and disabled and I really don't have a problem with that. But, suppose you hold the door open to a shop to allow an elderly or disabled person to pass and they don't even bother to acknowledge the small effort and time that you gave? Are you not allowed to think that s/he is a prat?

I've worked with disabled people most of my life, Some I liked, some I didn't. Some I became very close to because they didn't allow their disability to define themselves. They remained a person first, with a disability far down the line.

I suppose I try to relate the same concept to people from other cultures. For me, they are first and foremost a person with personality traits and characteristics that I like.

Of course you can think they are a prat Suzi, you can even tell them.

But what you should say is "Oh you are such a prat" and NOT "oh you are such a sp*z prat" (I know you wouldn't, I'm just explaining)

That's the difference...

...and I'm not sure what you meant here

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We are expected to differ to the elderly and disabled and I really don't have a problem with that

You mean like giving up seats on the bus or summat?

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Originally posted by Suzi-Q:
I suppose I try to relate the same concept to people from other cultures. For me, they are first and foremost a person with personality traits and characteristics that I like.

To you, maybe. However, study after study over time shows that a CV with an ethnic name on it is significantly less likely to go further than the same CV with an indigenous British name on it. Strange, that.

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Originally posted by electric6:
Of course you can think they are a prat Suzi, you can even tell them.

But what you should say is "Oh you are such a prat" and NOT "oh you are such a sp*z prat" (I know you wouldn't, I'm just explaining)

That's the difference...

...and I'm not sure what you meant here

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We are expected to differ to the elderly and disabled and I really don't have a problem with that

You mean like giving up seats on the bus or summat?

Yeah, kind of with the seats and stuff - and I don't have a problem with that, it's common courtesy and all. Something that I was taught at an early age and have tried to teach my boys. I have always had a great respect for the elderly - they have been there, done that and all that.

I think it's more to do with the whole "culture" of today. We should "respect" MJ, we should "respect" Jordan, we should "respect" this and that, but what about respecting others' beliefs and cultures if they differ from our own? I do, most of the time, but I find it hard to "respect" someone who is determined to disrespect what I believe in, what I hold dear because it is different to what they hold dear?

I feel as though by repressing my beliefs in order to "respect" others beliefs is just as bad as dismissing them in the first place.

We are all different. Even the white majority. I don't believe in a higher being, others do. Which of us is right?