If I was Freddie I'd be watching my back. Sorry but I don't trust Marcus.

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:
Good to see Freddie and Marcus still keeping together and giving each other advice. I really find it hard to understand how anyone who is a supporter of one cannot be a supporter of the other. You either support them, you support Lisa and Co, or you support one of the boring fence sitting floaters (Rodrigo, Charlie).

As for Siavash...well he has just opted out of the game. He has now abandoned Freddie and Marcus for some selfish reason of his own in some kind of attention seeking non-nomination ploy.

I don't think Marcus really supports Freddie, he couldn't even be bothered to open his eyes tonight when Freddie desperately wanted to talk. He only keeps him on side for his own needs. As for Siavash, Marcus hasn't and won't forgive him for the Noirin episode.

Marcus is probably my least favourite person in the house, entertaining or not.

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Originally posted by Tayto:
If I was Freddie I'd be watching my back. Sorry but I don't trust Marcus.

Amen to that...I don't either.

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Originally posted by Tayto:
If I was Freddie I'd be watching my back. Sorry but I don't trust Marcus.

Marcus is loyal. You see how he carefully took Bea's words about needing space and communicated them to Freddie. But the Endemol spin has been so strong against Marcus over the weeks obviously quite a few will not accept that. In that case you will just have Freddie on his own at the end against Charlie, Rodrigo and others....and Freddie will probably not win.

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

I don't think Marcus really supports Freddie, he couldn't even be bothered to open his eyes tonight when Freddie desperately wanted to talk. He only keeps him on side for his own needs. As for Siavash, Marcus hasn't and won't forgive him for the Noirin episode.

Marcus is probably my least favourite person in the house, entertaining or not.

Agreed.

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I don't think Marcus really supports Freddie, he couldn't even be bothered to open his eyes tonight when Freddie desperately wanted to talk. He only keeps him on side for his own needs. As for Siavash, Marcus hasn't and won't forgive him for the Noirin episode.

Marcus is probably my least favourite person in the house, entertaining or not.

I agree.
The only genuine friendship in that house is between sophie and rodrigo.

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Originally posted by WILDER X:

The only genuine friendship in that house is between sophie and rodrigo.

Totally agree, love those two together they should start dating.

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:
Good to see Freddie and Marcus still keeping together and giving each other advice. I really find it hard to understand how anyone who is a supporter of one cannot be a supporter of the other. You either support them, you support Lisa and Co, or you support one of the boring fence sitting floaters (Rodrigo, Charlie).

As for Siavash...well he has just opted out of the game. He has now abandoned Freddie and Marcus for some selfish reason of his own in some kind of attention seeking non-nomination ploy.

I don't think Marcus really supports Freddie, he couldn't even be bothered to open his eyes tonight when Freddie desperately wanted to talk. He only keeps him on side for his own needs. As for Siavash, Marcus hasn't and won't forgive him for the Noirin episode.

Marcus is probably my least favourite person in the house, entertaining or not.

Marcus is a LISTENER, why does he have to open his eyes? I can't believe the excuses people make for Siavash here. Oh well look forward to a boring final then. Ask Freddie when he comes out and he will say I have no doubt that Marcus was one of his biggest friends in there, maybe his biggest even.

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by Tayto:
If I was Freddie I'd be watching my back. Sorry but I don't trust Marcus.

Amen to that...I don't either.

Nor me

Siavash will not give up his friendship with Marcus/Freddie,he will never nom them ,the same can't be said for Marcus he still hasn't got over Siavash/Noirin.

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Originally posted by WILDER X:

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I don't think Marcus really supports Freddie, he couldn't even be bothered to open his eyes tonight when Freddie desperately wanted to talk. He only keeps him on side for his own needs. As for Siavash, Marcus hasn't and won't forgive him for the Noirin episode.

Marcus is probably my least favourite person in the house, entertaining or not.

I agree.
The only genuine friendship in that house is between sophie and rodrigo.

Sophie's only loyalty is to Lisa. Apparently she was talking about Rodrigo recently saying he took jokes too far. Sophie is easily manipulated. People who are easily manipulated are not loyal.

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Originally posted by erinp:
Siavash will not give up his friendship with Marcus/Freddie,he will never nom them ,the same can't be said for Marcus he still hasn't got over Siavash/Noirin.

Huh? Why the Marcus hate? He didn't even nominate Siavash last week even though he went behind his back while he was in jail.

Siavash says he won't nominate anymore, that means he abandons his Marcus/Freddie alliance.

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

Huh? Why the Marcus hate?

Why the Siavash hate?

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Originally posted by Tayto:
If I was Freddie I'd be watching my back. Sorry but I don't trust Marcus.

Don't apologise for not trusting Marcus, he has proven to all watching he is a liar! he is trying to set up david and speaking very badly about siavash.. watch out freddie!!

[/QUOTE]

Marcus is a LISTENER, why does he have to open his eyes? I can't believe the excuses people make for Siavash here. Oh well look forward to a boring final then. Ask Freddie when he comes out and he will say I have no doubt that Marcus was one of his biggest friends in there, maybe his biggest even.[/QUOTE]

In reply to your last sentence, poor Freddie doesn't always read people correctly though does he?

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

Huh? Why the Marcus hate?

Why the Siavash hate?

Did you see what he had been doing over the last week and more? Going behind Marcus's back for a grope and now saying he wants to keep in the house but he doesn't want to nominate anymore. Without nominations you have no show.

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Originally posted by Mollie:

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Originally posted by Tayto:
If I was Freddie I'd be watching my back. Sorry but I don't trust Marcus.

Don't apologise for not trusting Marcus, he has proven to all watching he is a liar! he is trying to set up david and speaking very badly about siavash.. watch out freddie!!

He's being honest about Siavash and correct. David I don't believe is trustworthy, his only loyalty ever has been to Lisa right from the start. Lisa fans will support him I guess.

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by WILDER X:

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I don't think Marcus really supports Freddie, he couldn't even be bothered to open his eyes tonight when Freddie desperately wanted to talk. He only keeps him on side for his own needs. As for Siavash, Marcus hasn't and won't forgive him for the Noirin episode.

Marcus is probably my least favourite person in the house, entertaining or not.

I agree.
The only genuine friendship in that house is between sophie and rodrigo.

Sophie's only loyalty is to Lisa. Apparently she was talking about Rodrigo recently saying he took jokes too far. Sophie is easily manipulated. People who are easily manipulated are not loyal.

Well he does take jokes too far ........I feel it's OK for a friend to say that about another friend ....dont you? She was simply saying what she felt ....doesn't make her less of a friend IMO.

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

Huh? Why the Marcus hate?

Why the Siavash hate?

Did you see what he had been doing over the last week and more? Going behind Marcus's back for a grope and now saying he wants to keep in the house but he doesn't want to nominate anymore. Without nominations you have no show.

but they have settled their differences well Siavsh thinks they have, and if Siavash decides not to nominate he may well be removed from the house but that's a seperate issue,Siavash just needs time to lick his wounds,just as Marcus did.

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:
Good to see Freddie and Marcus still keeping together and giving each other advice. I really find it hard to understand how anyone who is a supporter of one cannot be a supporter of the other. You either support them, you support Lisa and Co, or you support one of the boring fence sitting floaters (Rodrigo, Charlie).

As for Siavash...well he has just opted out of the game. He has now abandoned Freddie and Marcus for some selfish reason of his own in some kind of attention seeking non-nomination ploy.

I don't think Marcus really supports Freddie, he couldn't even be bothered to open his eyes tonight when Freddie desperately wanted to talk. He only keeps him on side for his own needs. As for Siavash, Marcus hasn't and won't forgive him for the Noirin episode.

Marcus is probably my least favourite person in the house, entertaining or not.

Marcus is a LISTENER, why does he have to open his eyes? I can't believe the excuses people make for Siavash here. Oh well look forward to a boring final then. Ask Freddie when he comes out and he will say I have no doubt that Marcus was one of his biggest friends in there, maybe his biggest even.

That's right.

Marcus was one of the few who spoke to Freddie when everyone else was ignoring and isolating him.

As might be obvious by my sigs Freddiie and Marcus are my favourites.

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

Marcus is a LISTENER, why does he have to open his eyes? I can't believe the excuses people make for Siavash here. Oh well look forward to a boring final then. Ask Freddie when he comes out and he will say I have no doubt that Marcus was one of his biggest friends in there, maybe his biggest even.[/QUOTE]

In reply to your last sentence, poor Freddie doesn't always read people correctly though does he?[/QUOTE]

Bea is his friend and is in his alliance even if she doesn't want a romance. And he is understands that Marcus and him have an alliance in the house. Freddie certainly trusts Marcus's opinion because Marcus can be quite perceptive.

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Originally posted by erinp:

but they have settled their differences well Siavsh thinks they have, and if Siavash decides not to nominate he may well be removed from the house but that's a seperate issue,Siavash just needs time to lick his wounds,just as Marcus did. [/QUOTE]

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Originally posted by erinp:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

Huh? Why the Marcus hate?

Why the Siavash hate?

Did you see what he had been doing over the last week and more? Going behind Marcus's back for a grope and now saying he wants to keep in the house but he doesn't want to nominate anymore. Without nominations you have no show.

but they have settled their differences well Siavsh thinks they have, and if Siavash decides not to nominate he may well be removed from the house but that's a seperate issue,Siavash just needs time to lick his wounds,just as Marcus did.

But if he is opting out of the game that means he is opting out of the alliance. Yeh he can still be a friend and talk to people but he will just put his friends up for eviction if he doesn't do nominations. Marcus even if he felt bad before didn't say he would opt out of the game like this. This is totally different. Marcus just kept quiet and to himself for a while.

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:
Good to see Freddie and Marcus still keeping together and giving each other advice. I really find it hard to understand how anyone who is a supporter of one cannot be a supporter of the other. You either support them, you support Lisa and Co, or you support one of the boring fence sitting floaters (Rodrigo, Charlie).

As for Siavash...well he has just opted out of the game. He has now abandoned Freddie and Marcus for some selfish reason of his own in some kind of attention seeking non-nomination ploy.

I don't think Marcus really supports Freddie, he couldn't even be bothered to open his eyes tonight when Freddie desperately wanted to talk. He only keeps him on side for his own needs. As for Siavash, Marcus hasn't and won't forgive him for the Noirin episode.

Marcus is probably my least favourite person in the house, entertaining or not.

Marcus is a LISTENER, why does he have to open his eyes? I can't believe the excuses people make for Siavash here. Oh well look forward to a boring final then. Ask Freddie when he comes out and he will say I have no doubt that Marcus was one of his biggest friends in there, maybe his biggest even.

That's right.

Marcus was one of the few who spoke to Freddie when everyone else was ignoring and isolating him.

As might be obvious by my sigs Freddiie and Marcus are my favourites.

Sorry but I disagree. I think Marcus is only out for himself and if he does appear to be interested in anyone it is usually to get them to accept that what he says is right and to go along with his way of thinking.

I trust david over marcus anyday of the week.

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Mollie:

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Originally posted by Tayto:
If I was Freddie I'd be watching my back. Sorry but I don't trust Marcus.

Don't apologise for not trusting Marcus, he has proven to all watching he is a liar! he is trying to set up david and speaking very badly about siavash.. watch out freddie!!

He's being honest about Siavash and correct. David I don't believe is trustworthy, his only loyalty ever has been to Lisa right from the start. Lisa fans will support him I guess.

He is NOT being honest, he is mad at siavash and he hasn't the balls to say anything to him, its all behind his back!!!! pretending to be his friend... geez

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:
Good to see Freddie and Marcus still keeping together and giving each other advice. I really find it hard to understand how anyone who is a supporter of one cannot be a supporter of the other. You either support them, you support Lisa and Co, or you support one of the boring fence sitting floaters (Rodrigo, Charlie).

As for Siavash...well he has just opted out of the game. He has now abandoned Freddie and Marcus for some selfish reason of his own in some kind of attention seeking non-nomination ploy.

I don't think Marcus really supports Freddie, he couldn't even be bothered to open his eyes tonight when Freddie desperately wanted to talk. He only keeps him on side for his own needs. As for Siavash, Marcus hasn't and won't forgive him for the Noirin episode.

Marcus is probably my least favourite person in the house, entertaining or not.

Marcus is a LISTENER, why does he have to open his eyes? I can't believe the excuses people make for Siavash here. Oh well look forward to a boring final then. Ask Freddie when he comes out and he will say I have no doubt that Marcus was one of his biggest friends in there, maybe his biggest even.

That's right.

Marcus was one of the few who spoke to Freddie when everyone else was ignoring and isolating him.

As might be obvious by my sigs Freddiie and Marcus are my favourites.

Sorry but I disagree. I think Marcus is only out for himself and if he does appear to be interested in anyone it is usually to get them to accept that what he says is right and to go along with his way of thinking.

Marcus is quite perceptive though. Eventually some people here will have to start admitting that as it gets proved time and time again in the HLs.

And if he is only in it for himself why did he support Freddie earlier when it would have been easier for him to just ignore him. Why did he support Sophie over the Kris situation. Why does Bea come to him for advice over the Freddie situation? These are the problems for Endemol and those who want to paint Marcus as self serving or really bad, the facts get in the way for them.

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Originally posted by Mollie:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Mollie:

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Originally posted by Tayto:
If I was Freddie I'd be watching my back. Sorry but I don't trust Marcus.

Don't apologise for not trusting Marcus, he has proven to all watching he is a liar! he is trying to set up david and speaking very badly about siavash.. watch out freddie!!

He's being honest about Siavash and correct. David I don't believe is trustworthy, his only loyalty ever has been to Lisa right from the start. Lisa fans will support him I guess.

He is NOT being honest, he is mad at siavash and he hasn't the balls to say anything to him, its all behind his back!!!! pretending to be his friend... geez

How do you know it's all behind his back? It's quite likely he has said this right to his face. Actually I remember on the HLs - last night? - Marcus in the garden said to Siavash that it sounded like he was just concerned about his image and not pining for Noirin. That's a fact that gets annoyingly in the way for the Marcus haters. And this attention seeking with nominations is just proving Marcus right.

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:
Good to see Freddie and Marcus still keeping together and giving each other advice. I really find it hard to understand how anyone who is a supporter of one cannot be a supporter of the other. You either support them, you support Lisa and Co, or you support one of the boring fence sitting floaters (Rodrigo, Charlie).

As for Siavash...well he has just opted out of the game. He has now abandoned Freddie and Marcus for some selfish reason of his own in some kind of attention seeking non-nomination ploy.

I don't think Marcus really supports Freddie, he couldn't even be bothered to open his eyes tonight when Freddie desperately wanted to talk. He only keeps him on side for his own needs. As for Siavash, Marcus hasn't and won't forgive him for the Noirin episode.

Marcus is probably my least favourite person in the house, entertaining or not.

Marcus is a LISTENER, why does he have to open his eyes? I can't believe the excuses people make for Siavash here. Oh well look forward to a boring final then. Ask Freddie when he comes out and he will say I have no doubt that Marcus was one of his biggest friends in there, maybe his biggest even.

That's right.

Marcus was one of the few who spoke to Freddie when everyone else was ignoring and isolating him.

As might be obvious by my sigs Freddiie and Marcus are my favourites.

Sorry but I disagree. I think Marcus is only out for himself and if he does appear to be interested in anyone it is usually to get them to accept that what he says is right and to go along with his way of thinking.

Marcus is quite perceptive though. Eventually some people here will have to start admitting that as it gets proved time and time again in the HLs.

And if he is only in it for himself why did he support Freddie earlier when it would have been easier for him to just ignore him. Why did he support Sophie over the Kris situation. Why does Bea come to him for advice over the Freddie situation? These are the problems for Endemol and those who want to paint Marcus as self serving or really bad, the facts get in the way for them.

Self Serving and really bad is how I see him. He came into the house assuming the daddy role where everyone should look up to him and respect his ways. Sorry but I think we will just have to accept we aren't going to agree on this one.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Free Thinking:

Marcus is quite perceptive though.

Yes and he was so perceptive about Tom wasn't he? To the point where he threatened to punch him in the face, and wanted to show him the meaning of pain? Marcus was insanely jealous of Tom, and is equally jealous of Siavash.

I so wished Tom had stayed, he had Marcus's number, and wasn't afraid of Marcus, or to tell Marcus to his face what he thought of him.

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Free Thinking:

Marcus is quite perceptive though.

Yes and he was so perceptive about Tom wasn't he? To the point where he threatened to punch him in the face, and wanted to show him the meaning of pain? Marcus was insanely jealous of Tom, and is equally jealous of Siavash.

I so wished Tom had stayed, he had Marcus's number, and wasn't afraid of Marcus, or to tell Marcus to his face what he thought of him.

That would have been really great... now there is no one in there who will stand up to him, they all think he is daddy eewwwwwww he prob won't get nominated...

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

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Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Clipboard:

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:
Good to see Freddie and Marcus still keeping together and giving each other advice. I really find it hard to understand how anyone who is a supporter of one cannot be a supporter of the other. You either support them, you support Lisa and Co, or you support one of the boring fence sitting floaters (Rodrigo, Charlie).

As for Siavash...well he has just opted out of the game. He has now abandoned Freddie and Marcus for some selfish reason of his own in some kind of attention seeking non-nomination ploy.

I don't think Marcus really supports Freddie, he couldn't even be bothered to open his eyes tonight when Freddie desperately wanted to talk. He only keeps him on side for his own needs. As for Siavash, Marcus hasn't and won't forgive him for the Noirin episode.

Marcus is probably my least favourite person in the house, entertaining or not.

Marcus is a LISTENER, why does he have to open his eyes? I can't believe the excuses people make for Siavash here. Oh well look forward to a boring final then. Ask Freddie when he comes out and he will say I have no doubt that Marcus was one of his biggest friends in there, maybe his biggest even.

That's right.

Marcus was one of the few who spoke to Freddie when everyone else was ignoring and isolating him.

As might be obvious by my sigs Freddiie and Marcus are my favourites.

Sorry but I disagree. I think Marcus is only out for himself and if he does appear to be interested in anyone it is usually to get them to accept that what he says is right and to go along with his way of thinking.

Marcus is quite perceptive though. Eventually some people here will have to start admitting that as it gets proved time and time again in the HLs.

And if he is only in it for himself why did he support Freddie earlier when it would have been easier for him to just ignore him. Why did he support Sophie over the Kris situation. Why does Bea come to him for advice over the Freddie situation? These are the problems for Endemol and those who want to paint Marcus as self serving or really bad, the facts get in the way for them.

Self Serving and really bad is how I see him. He came into the house assuming the daddy role where everyone should look up to him and respect his ways. Sorry but I think we will just have to accept we aren't going to agree on this one.

Well it shouldn't surprise you that older people in the house do indeed take on something like a parent role, the reason being there are very few others of their age group in the house. I don't see that as a reason to blame him (or indeed even Lisa) at all.

Also some people are followers and some are leaders, that's how it is. People have different roles. I find most interesting those who aren't easily manipulated and who are strong enough to stick to what they think.

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Free Thinking:

Marcus is quite perceptive though.

Yes and he was so perceptive about Tom wasn't he? To the point where he threatened to punch him in the face, and wanted to show him the meaning of pain? Marcus was insanely jealous of Tom, and is equally jealous of Siavash.

I so wished Tom had stayed, he had Marcus's number, and wasn't afraid of Marcus, or to tell Marcus to his face what he thought of him.

Marcus was indeed perceptive of Tom, he realised he has been put in there to stir things up and he was correct. Marcus made an angry remark, but it was not a direct threat except in your imagination.

Marcus is not jealous of Siavash at all. He was angry at his duplicitousness of saying he had a girlfriend and then going behind his back while he was in jail. Siavash had a grope, so did Marcus.

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

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Originally posted by Senora Reyes:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Free Thinking:

Marcus is quite perceptive though.

Yes and he was so perceptive about Tom wasn't he? To the point where he threatened to punch him in the face, and wanted to show him the meaning of pain? Marcus was insanely jealous of Tom, and is equally jealous of Siavash.

I so wished Tom had stayed, he had Marcus's number, and wasn't afraid of Marcus, or to tell Marcus to his face what he thought of him.

Marcus was indeed perceptive of Tom, he realised he has been put in there to stir things up and he was correct. Marcus made an angry remark, but it was not a direct threat except in your imagination.

Marcus is not jealous of Siavash at all. He was angry at his duplicitousness of saying he had a girlfriend and then going behind his back while he was in jail. Siavash had a grope, so did Marcus.

Don't see it that way, I've seen too much of Marcus behaviour to ever convince me he is a well meaning person, he's got issues.

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Originally posted by Free Thinking:

Well it shouldn't surprise you that older people in the house do indeed take on something like a parent role, the reason being there are very few others of their age group in the house. I don't see that as a reason to blame him (or indeed even Lisa) at all.

Also some people are followers and some are leaders, that's how it is. People have different roles. I find most interesting those who aren't easily manipulated and who are strong enough to stick to what they think.

I think that there are lots of people in life who ARE quite strong but if put into a confined environment like the BB house aren't able to voice their opinions when they meet dominant characters like Marcus.

ps I won't talk about his dirty habits

Marcus is anything but well meaning, he is a nasty self serving git! most people I think can see that though!