I think Marcus is disliked on here. He has his fans and those who aren't

I am kind of in the middle, but I don't think they are planting seeds of doubt. If they are, then as this is a gameshow, then game on as they say.

I saw what Siavash said as giving Noirin the heads up.

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Originally posted by tupps:
I saw what Siavash said as giving Noirin the heads up.

Yep me too. Look how she repaid him

They are up against a group of shallow narrow minded narcissists who have been picking off anybody who doesnt fit in so,needs must

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by tupps:
I saw what Siavash said as giving Noirin the heads up.

Yep me too. Look how she repaid him

More fool her really.. she is given some info and has the opportunity to do a little watching and she goes and blows it by running to the other camp and tittle tattling..

It's quite simple really, they have all been watching previous BB's and are very bored and usual, they know that they have to do something to give the producers something to show on the evening shows and BBLB, Lisa and a few others often say "Well they have that for the show anyway", they do things just for the public, they are all well aware that the whole show is based on them alone.

Most of what goes on is done for the camera's.

It's a problem, isn't it? We (at least some of) know what they said, but never why they said it. He may have been stirring it, he may have been attempting to alert her. Hiswords when he got into bed though ("You've just lost a good friend tonight") seemed to me to imply the latter. Who knows?...he's a pretty canny bloke.

As LL says though...it's a game / competition and the others stir it too. Maybe we all seem a little more outraged with Siavash because until now he's seemed to be jam-packed with objectiveness, sensible 'distance' and inherent integrity ( at least to me he has).

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Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
It's a problem, isn't it? We (at least some of) know what they said, but never why they said it. He may have been stirring it, he may have been attempting to alert her. Hiswords when he got into bed though ("You've just lost a good friend tonight") seemed to me to imply the latter. Who knows?...he's a pretty canny bloke.

As LL says though...it's a game / competition and the others stir it too. Maybe we all seem a little more outraged with Siavash because until now he's seemed to be jam-packed with objectiveness, sensible 'distance' and inherent integrity ( at least to me he has).

I do think he was trying to alert her, but she repaid him by throwing him to the lions. Not a nice thing to do.

I also believe that Siavash was trying to do right by Noirin, and it all blew up in his face BIGTIME!

Noirin may be pretty, but that's where it all ends as far as I'm concerned. She's a nasty piece of work, she's a blabbermouth, she's the spoilt little Princess, high maintenance type. I pity the poor sod that ends up with her.

With the rabbit incident it seemed to be Noirin who wanted to stir things up and get the centre of attention (as usual). The first row was stirred up by Sophie in her attempt to find a scapegoat for the doomed 'relationship' with Kris. Sophie already knows Kris has said that she has been quiet and hasn't come out of her shell, she was shown it in the DR and it's really common knowledge in the house.

In all of this it is easy to forget what Noirin did.. she promised to keep someone's confidence and then ran straight to the other camp and blabbed it. Now right or wrong as far as Siavash's motivation is concerned with regard to him telling her what he did.. that to me is a big indicator that whoever said it, or if indeed it was said.. she has a foot either side of the fence.. and if she doesn't watch it her foo-foo will get splinters.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by subatomic partygirl:
It's a problem, isn't it? We (at least some of) know what they said, but never why they said it. He may have been stirring it, he may have been attempting to alert her. Hiswords when he got into bed though ("You've just lost a good friend tonight") seemed to me to imply the latter. Who knows?...he's a pretty canny bloke.

As LL says though...it's a game / competition and the others stir it too. Maybe we all seem a little more outraged with Siavash because until now he's seemed to be jam-packed with objectiveness, sensible 'distance' and inherent integrity ( at least to me he has).

I do think he was trying to alert her, but she repaid him by throwing him to the lions. Not a nice thing to do.

Oh, I think that too. It seems so out of character (from what we've seen) to have any other motivation.

And yes...Marcus summed it up nicely. I suspect that Siavash was pretty spot on with his "user and abuser" line.

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Originally posted by tupps:
In all of this it is easy to forget what Noirin did.. she promised to keep someone's confidence and then ran straight to the other camp and blabbed it. Now right or wrong as far as Siavash's motivation is concerned with regard to him telling her what he did.. that to me is a big indicator that whoever said it, or if indeed it was said.. she has a foot either side of the fence.. and if she doesn't watch it her foo-foo will get splinters.

I totally agree. I think alot of people are forgetting that and concentrating purely on what Siavash said or didn't say. Let's not forget what she did, but that sums her up for me.

It's confusing imo....if which seems highly likely he did in fact lie to her he's 100% wrong imo....One thing it did show she may not be the game player folk thought if she was she'd have said nothing and used her noms to sort it...Was this what Saviash had assumed she'd do?...Perhaps....It didn't pan out that way and she wanted the truth which I'd also want.

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One thing it did show she may not be the game player folk thought if she was

I disagree. I think the fact she went into the bedroom and lay Siavash on the sacrificial altar of Cruella and the Gang is some game play. She could have taken it with a pinch of salt or she could have taken the info under advisement and kept her powder dry and got her answers through a less explosive means.

I think what she did was nail her colours to the mast. Nothing like a bit of handing over a nom candidate on a plate to try and secure yourself a place in the fold. Not good game play.. but game play nonetheless.

Of course I could be giving her more credit than she is due..

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Originally posted by tupps:

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One thing it did show she may not be the game player folk thought if she was

I disagree. I think the fact she went into the bedroom and lay Siavash on the sacrificial altar of Cruella and the Gang is some game play. She could have taken it with a pinch of salt or she could have taken the info under advisement and kept her powder dry and got her answers through a less explosive means.

I think what she did was nail her colours to the mast. Nothing like a bit of handing over a nom candidate on a plate to try and secure yourself a place in the fold. Not good game play.. but game play nonetheless.

Of course I could be giving her more credit than she is due..

Saviashs earlier comment about having her on side was telling....Then he proceeds to tell her what he did ....It backfired so he resorts to lies....Disappointing from him saying he didn't say any names when he clearly did.

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Originally posted by ~LEE~:
Saviashs earlier comment about having her on side was telling....Then he proceeds to tell her what he did ....It backfired so he resorts to lies....Disappointing from him saying he didn't say any names when he clearly did.

Oh I agree re. the disappointment. He should have stuck to his guns. The outcome would have been the same and he wouldn't look so daft.

pah! i thought this was a horticulture thread.

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Originally posted by ~LEE~:
It's confusing imo....if which seems highly likely he did in fact lie to her he's 100% wrong imo....One thing it did show she may not be the game player folk thought if she was she'd have said nothing and used her noms to sort it...Was this what Saviash had assumed she'd do?...Perhaps....It didn't pan out that way and she wanted the truth which I'd also want.

Yes, but you won't get the truth from people who don't like you and that you can't trust.

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Originally posted by tupps:

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One thing it did show she may not be the game player folk thought if she was

I disagree. I think the fact she went into the bedroom and lay Siavash on the sacrificial altar of Cruella and the Gang is some game play. She could have taken it with a pinch of salt or she could have taken the info under advisement and kept her powder dry and got her answers through a less explosive means.

I think what she did was nail her colours to the mast. Nothing like a bit of handing over a nom candidate on a plate to try and secure yourself a place in the fold. Not good game play.. but game play nonetheless.

Of course I could be giving her more credit than she is due..

I think you are giving her more credit than she's due. I agree she nailed her colours to the mast, but I don't think it was a noms strategy. I think it was a drunken, emotional, ill thought out, spur of the moment decision based on paranoia because of recent events and hurt pride that anyone could have anything bad to say about her.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by tupps:
I saw what Siavash said as giving Noirin the heads up.

Yep me too. Look how she repaid him

Yes, same here.

We also have to remember how Noirin has treated Freddie too. She forgets he unselfishly gave her the gift of normality on his birthday which allowed her to remove her tache and spectacles, yet she still carries on nominating him.

I thought that, in view of his unselfish gesture that week, she may place her nominations elsewhere but no, she still nominated him and seems to revel in calling him 'Halfwit'!!

Noirin is extremely selfish and only thinks of herself and certainly isn't a team player - she has proved that.

She has also proved she cannot be trusted and will betray a confidence. I hope, after 'bunnygate', the others will be more hesitant in what they say within her earshot.

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Originally posted by HyacinthB:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by tupps:
I saw what Siavash said as giving Noirin the heads up.

Yep me too. Look how she repaid him

Yes, same here.

We also have to remember how Noirin has treated Freddie too. She forgets he unselfishly gave her the gift of normality on his birthday which allowed her to remove her tache and spectacles, yet she still carries on nominating him.

I thought that, in view of his unselfish gesture that week, she may place her nominations elsewhere but no, she still nominated him and seems to revel in calling him 'Halfwit'!!

Noirin is extremely selfish and only thinks of herself and certainly isn't a team player - she has proved that.

She has also proved she cannot be trusted and will betray a confidence. I hope, after 'bunnygate', the others will be more hesitant in what they say within her earshot.

Hiya Hyacinth

Absolutely agree with you.

I, for one, will never forget her betrayal of Freddy. She showed her true colours there and has continued to ever since.

Maybe Siavash bent the truth and doesn't come out of this smelling of roses but I think what he did came from a good place rather than as an act of malice.
Noirin on the other hand thought she was jumping straight into Lisa's bunch of daffodils with her betryal of confidence only to find that whether they called her a bunny or not they dont want her chewing on their carrots.
Right now Noirin is stuck in the middle of the compost heap and it looks like there may be a delivery of horse manure coming in the form of a bunch of nominations.
Horticulturally yours
Percy Thrower

what struck me during the whole think was just how much lisa thinks of herself and how she thinks she's in the heirarchy of h/mates...

led on her bed constantly saying..'get them in here.....get them in here'..who the chuff is she to demand people come to her to explain something????.....if she was that bothered she should have hoiked her arse outta bed and gone and seen siavash herself...

of course she wouldn't do that cos she wouldn't have her cronies backing her up.....far safer to do it in the bedroom...where she knew she'd hold court with her minnions backing her up...

kris imo is petrified...he was called out twice last night.....he knows he's in deep water....but i still think he's arrogant enough to believe he'll stay til the final....

i so hope his curly haired arse is evicted tonight.....

I am not sure whether Siavash genuinely , overheard Karly and Kris using the word 'rabbit' about Noirin , but can well believe it as I have seen a couple of incidences where that group have not liked Noirin spending time with Marcus and the others.
He obviously had something to gain by swaying Noirin's opinion as they all know that the 'outsiders are a small vulnerable group that badly needs additional support. I can't blame him for this especially as Noirin has to realise shes not a full member of the dominant group. if things had gone as they have beeen going, that group would soon run out of easy second votes and would then put up Noirin or Rod leaving themselves in the final!

Part of the problem is that not everybody sees incidents objectively. EVERYBODY sees the exact same incident but it is interpreted in a way that best fits how a person is WANTED to be seen. This diversity in interpretation of events is further fuelled by the way BB have edited what they show. No-one (except BB/C4)has seen this in it's entirity and no-one will, as BB want to keep us guessing and arguing about it. That raises the viewing figures.

It was well thought out of Siavesh to apply the bunny analogy. Even if other HMs had commented on her going from group to group, who was it that coined the term `bunny`? Was it Siavash, knowing that she`s also a `bunny boiler` having watched her in action with Sree and Marcus? Quite clever I thought.

Noirin running to the other group and demanding to know who said it, its just damned stupid, unless you`re used to bullying things out of people.

without live feed, we dont know who said the bunny comment if at all, why dosent BB or BBLB trawl back and try and air the comment,probably because that wouldnt suit their storyboard.

My take it's either he wanted to secure Noirin in his camp or warn her of the scheming Team Shallow.I think it's a bit of both.

That said I would rather have Siavash over any of the others and applaud him for calling Team Shallow "dicks"

It will probably mean Halfwit and Siavash up next week which is the nightmare scenario

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Originally posted by giz:
without live feed, we dont know who said the bunny comment if at all, why dosent BB or BBLB trawl back and try and air the comment,probably because that wouldnt suit their storyboard.

My take it's either he wanted to secure Noirin in his camp or warn her of the scheming Team Shallow.I think it's a bit of both.

That said I would rather have Siavash over any of the others and applaud him for calling Team Shallow "dicks"

It will probably mean Halfwit and Siavash up next week which is the nightmare scenario

Word for word what I was going to say

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Originally posted by captain marbles:
Maybe Siavash bent the truth and doesn't come out of this smelling of roses but I think what he did came from a good place rather than as an act of malice.
Noirin on the other hand thought she was jumping straight into Lisa's bunch of daffodils with her betryal of confidence only to find that whether they called her a bunny or not they dont want her chewing on their carrots.
Right now Noirin is stuck in the middle of the compost heap and it looks like there may be a delivery of horse manure coming in the form of a bunch of nominations.
Horticulturally yours
Percy Thrower

because she has myxomatosis.

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Originally posted by Summer_Breeze:

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Originally posted by captain marbles:
Maybe Siavash bent the truth and doesn't come out of this smelling of roses but I think what he did came from a good place rather than as an act of malice.
Noirin on the other hand thought she was jumping straight into Lisa's bunch of daffodils with her betryal of confidence only to find that whether they called her a bunny or not they dont want her chewing on their carrots.
Right now Noirin is stuck in the middle of the compost heap and it looks like there may be a delivery of horse manure coming in the form of a bunch of nominations.
Horticulturally yours
Percy Thrower

because she has myxomatosis.

Your dancing girl is too cute

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Originally posted by love greek sunsets:
seeds of doubt into HMs minds and then they sit back and watch them grow. This isn't the first time, and it can be construed as trying to help but if you flip it, could be the other way sly and nasty, if these 2 certain HMs were disliked on this forum, this place would be calling them all sorts.

I dont know about Marcus as he is quiet open and forthright but agree about Siavash he does it in a subtle way he knows what he is doing ,I noticed it more when Ciaron left .