quote:Originally posted by Free Thinking:
When someone loves you but you don't love them back the humane thing to do is not to see them. It really is that simple. I don't know why a few people still won't admit that. Noirin is playing the Big Brother game but really she (and Siavash) need to think in terms of just basic human decency.
quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:
It's the power of the sulk.
Always ignore sulking men!
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by The Guru:quote:Originally posted by tupps:
The best thing for Marcus is to keep distance from Noirin. Whatever he may have done wrong, she is continuing this pull you, push you thing and that is only gonna **** with his head some more.
Did you just read the report? He's the one pushing and pulling.
Why the need to go under the duvet to chat? Why can't he just chat out in the open? Why did he need to pull apart her personality again? Or the fact she likes Vash? Then he starts on the other hm's again What has her friendship with him got to do with slagging off the others? Once again with Marcus, it's all about control. She's socialising with the others instead of hiding away in a different room with him.
Then the 'I wish you fancied me' because if she did she might listen to and do what he says?
<shudder> That is not a friendship.
Yes. I read the report. I've also seen him keep away from her and her approach him. Sunday night he even went to the DR to get away from the 'beg be friends'. I'm assuming you haven't been watching.. ?
I wonder what part of
quote:Marcus was sprawled across the chairs in the Garden, covered with a duvet, and Noirin came over to join him.
is him pushing or pulling? Or what part of him saying he doesn't want to be friends, he doesn't want to talk about it and generallly keeping away is him doing the 'push me, pull me'?
I am not a Marcus fan, but lets be fair here.. he has not reacted in the explosive way some non-fans would like to have seen.. so he keeps away (wise move on his part) and she chases him around to 'patch things up' and that's even his fault. Lordy..
As for your other comments.. if you want my opinion, I think it is quite clearly stated in previous posts in this thread.. I'm not going to recreate them here.
quote:Originally posted by suzybean:quote:Originally posted by Blizzie:
It's the power of the sulk.
Always ignore sulking men!
But never ignore a sulking woman
quote:Originally posted by The Guru:
What's wrong with her approaching him? It's what adults do after a falling out. He's acting like a big baby simply because he couldn't get in her knickers. 'Beg be friends'? Hardly! He's causing an atmosphere because he can't handle losing control over Noirin. He admitted as much here.. "I wish you fancied me. It's amazing how much you listen to people just cos you fancy them."
The blokes a controlling arse.
She approached him like an adult and all he could do was put her down, bitch about the other hm's and try it on again
quote:Originally posted by Kaytee:
I will keep on saying it until I'm blue in the face. Noirin is a player with a gameplan that blew up in her face. Hence these 'frienships' she's desperate to form with any male with a pulse.
Marcus is a complete and utter twonk...but and it's a big but, he has more entertainment value than Noirin, so she should go and he should stay.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by The Guru:
What's wrong with her approaching him? It's what adults do after a falling out. He's acting like a big baby simply because he couldn't get in her knickers. 'Beg be friends'? Hardly! He's causing an atmosphere because he can't handle losing control over Noirin. He admitted as much here.. "I wish you fancied me. It's amazing how much you listen to people just cos you fancy them."
The blokes a controlling arse.
She approached him like an adult and all he could do was put her down, bitch about the other hm's and try it on again
Nothing. But, in response to me posting that he would be better off keeping away from her and not getting involved in the 'push you, pull you', you said he was the one doing it. I pointed out it was she who approached him: as she has been doing since the NoirVash thing came out and he quite clearly said he wanted nothing to do with her.
She has been approaching him: I could agree with you that it is the other way around, but that's not the case and is not borne out by the 'evidence'. If it is the case then I would question why all the posts about him 'sulking' and keeping away from her.
I don't know what is going on in his head or his motivations for saying what he says or doing what he does. I can voice an opinion but can not say with any certainty. By the same token neither can you.
As for your comments on his alleged controlling and abusive behaviour.. you may say that, I couldn't possibly comment.
Are you bored now? Because I am.
quote:Originally posted by The Guru:quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by The Guru:
What's wrong with her approaching him? It's what adults do after a falling out. He's acting like a big baby simply because he couldn't get in her knickers. 'Beg be friends'? Hardly! He's causing an atmosphere because he can't handle losing control over Noirin. He admitted as much here.. "I wish you fancied me. It's amazing how much you listen to people just cos you fancy them."
The blokes a controlling arse.
She approached him like an adult and all he could do was put her down, bitch about the other hm's and try it on again
Nothing. But, in response to me posting that he would be better off keeping away from her and not getting involved in the 'push you, pull you', you said he was the one doing it. I pointed out it was she who approached him: as she has been doing since the NoirVash thing came out and he quite clearly said he wanted nothing to do with her.
She has been approaching him: I could agree with you that it is the other way around, but that's not the case and is not borne out by the 'evidence'. If it is the case then I would question why all the posts about him 'sulking' and keeping away from her.
I don't know what is going on in his head or his motivations for saying what he says or doing what he does. I can voice an opinion but can not say with any certainty. By the same token neither can you.
As for your comments on his alleged controlling and abusive behaviour.. you may say that, I couldn't possibly comment.
Are you bored now? Because I am.
Pushing, pulling is exactly what he's doing, he doesn't want to be friends but he wants to get with her? He doesn't like her yet he wants in her knickers. Dude needs to make up his mind.
By the way, i didn't call him abusive, you did.
If you're bored i'd suggest a good book, or another thread?
quote:Originally posted by Mazzystar:quote:Originally posted by Kaytee:
I will keep on saying it until I'm blue in the face. Noirin is a player with a gameplan that blew up in her face. Hence these 'frienships' she's desperate to form with any male with a pulse.
Marcus is a complete and utter twonk...but and it's a big but, he has more entertainment value than Noirin, so she should go and he should stay.
Agree with your summary!
I'd like to see what Marcus is like when his love interest has gone and if he's different.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by The Guru:quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by The Guru:
What's wrong with her approaching him? It's what adults do after a falling out. He's acting like a big baby simply because he couldn't get in her knickers. 'Beg be friends'? Hardly! He's causing an atmosphere because he can't handle losing control over Noirin. He admitted as much here.. "I wish you fancied me. It's amazing how much you listen to people just cos you fancy them."
The blokes a controlling arse.
She approached him like an adult and all he could do was put her down, bitch about the other hm's and try it on again
Nothing. But, in response to me posting that he would be better off keeping away from her and not getting involved in the 'push you, pull you', you said he was the one doing it. I pointed out it was she who approached him: as she has been doing since the NoirVash thing came out and he quite clearly said he wanted nothing to do with her.
She has been approaching him: I could agree with you that it is the other way around, but that's not the case and is not borne out by the 'evidence'. If it is the case then I would question why all the posts about him 'sulking' and keeping away from her.
I don't know what is going on in his head or his motivations for saying what he says or doing what he does. I can voice an opinion but can not say with any certainty. By the same token neither can you.
As for your comments on his alleged controlling and abusive behaviour.. you may say that, I couldn't possibly comment.
Are you bored now? Because I am.
Pushing, pulling is exactly what he's doing, he doesn't want to be friends but he wants to get with her? He doesn't like her yet he wants in her knickers. Dude needs to make up his mind.
By the way, i didn't call him abusive, you did.
If you're bored i'd suggest a good book, or another thread?
She probably doesn't want to be friends either. So what is your point? Hang on, you're going to say yes she does and she is the only one who comes to the table open handed, without agenda, without ulterior motive? If you do then I'm afraid we're never going to agree and will continue to go around in circles. Because I've seen the LF, I seen the HL show, I've seen the VT. If someone is very manipulative (her words) then it is not a leap to suspect she could be so with regard to Marcus.
Controlling someone is a form of abuse. I have not called him controlling.. you have.
I am bored of repeating myself.. Wouldn't you be? Hopefully it won't continue.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by The Guru:quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by The Guru:
What's wrong with her approaching him? It's what adults do after a falling out. He's acting like a big baby simply because he couldn't get in her knickers. 'Beg be friends'? Hardly! He's causing an atmosphere because he can't handle losing control over Noirin. He admitted as much here.. "I wish you fancied me. It's amazing how much you listen to people just cos you fancy them."
The blokes a controlling arse.
She approached him like an adult and all he could do was put her down, bitch about the other hm's and try it on again
Nothing. But, in response to me posting that he would be better off keeping away from her and not getting involved in the 'push you, pull you', you said he was the one doing it. I pointed out it was she who approached him: as she has been doing since the NoirVash thing came out and he quite clearly said he wanted nothing to do with her.
She has been approaching him: I could agree with you that it is the other way around, but that's not the case and is not borne out by the 'evidence'. If it is the case then I would question why all the posts about him 'sulking' and keeping away from her.
I don't know what is going on in his head or his motivations for saying what he says or doing what he does. I can voice an opinion but can not say with any certainty. By the same token neither can you.
As for your comments on his alleged controlling and abusive behaviour.. you may say that, I couldn't possibly comment.
Are you bored now? Because I am.
Pushing, pulling is exactly what he's doing, he doesn't want to be friends but he wants to get with her? He doesn't like her yet he wants in her knickers. Dude needs to make up his mind.
By the way, i didn't call him abusive, you did.
If you're bored i'd suggest a good book, or another thread?
She probably doesn't want to be friends either. So what is your point? Hang on, you're going to say yes she does and she is the only one who comes to the table open handed, without agenda, without ulterior motive? If you do then I'm afraid we're never going to agree and will continue to go around in circles. Because I've seen the LF, I seen the HL show, I've seen the VT. If someone is very manipulative (her words) then it is not a leap to suspect she could be so with regard to Marcus.
Controlling someone is a form of abuse. I have not called him controlling.. you have.
I am bored of repeating myself.. Wouldn't you be? Hopefully it won't continue.
quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:
so you have watched LF and watched HL and you think Marcus isn't controlling? Personally I think he has been very controlling of Noirin ............however you 'suspect' that Noirin is manipulative. I dont think we'll ever agree TBH.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:
so you have watched LF and watched HL and you think Marcus isn't controlling? Personally I think he has been very controlling of Noirin ............however you 'suspect' that Noirin is manipulative. I dont think we'll ever agree TBH.
Oh you're back good..
I'll answer your question if you answer my earlier question.
You have a daughter. She comes home from school in floods of tears because one of the other girls tore her personality apart, made fun of her physical appearance and made her cry.
What would you think about the kind of girl who could do that?
Now I said school, but that could equally apply to the office, college, university, local gym.. anywhere that people interact.
I look forward to your response.
quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
This reconciliation is one of mutual benefit to Noirin and Marcus. Noirin needs to keep her enemies close (like she said in her vt) and not cause ripples because this could jeopardise her chance of winning the show. Much the best thing to kiss and make up in Noirin-world. Marcus will benefit from knowing that Noirin cannot keep away, cannot accept that their friendship has been broken. He can say 'I told you so' when the doo da hits the fan with Siavash.
But before that, hopefully, Noirin will be booted out and the show can take on another form, which includes Marcus doing Marcus things without the fame-hungry, egotistical, narcissistic, machiavellian, attention-seeking, emotionally immature (yes, even more emotionally immature than Marcus), manipulative and shallow Noirin spoiling the show for him and, more importantly, for us.
quote:Originally posted by The Guru:
Errr, it doesn't need to be for the reasons that you just babbled on about. Maybe its simply to clear the air, to get rid of the crappy atmos that's in the house for the sake of the other hm's.
The old VT argument doesn't wash with me i'm afraid. People will say any old thing to get on the show as we've seen numerous times.
Still bored?
Ok, fair enough, if that's the way the discussion is to turn. quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:
Tupps I have no wish to go there with you. You are basing this on her VT ......they all go OTT on their VT and I have seen no evidence of this behaviour from her in the house.
If you honestly think it's relevant then obviously I'd be mortified if someone treated my daughter that way but I dont think it proves anything TBH.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:
As for the VT thing, that one has been covered to. But just for you I'll sum it up in a nutshell. What she said in her VT she has also said in the house and backed up by action. That's pretty irrefutable. But if you've evidence to the contrary, please share it with the group.. no need to address it to me, there are I am sure a lot of FMs who would be interested.
quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:
Tupps I have no wish to go there with you. You are basing this on her VT ......they all go OTT on their VT and I have seen no evidence of this behaviour from her in the house.
If you honestly think it's relevant then obviously I'd be mortified if someone treated my daughter that way but I dont think it proves anything TBH.
Of course you have no wish to go there. Because to do so would mean you have to question your support of a HM who has done the very thing you are chastising another HM who you don't support for.
OTT VT.. yes they do. Difference is, she has also said much the same in the house apropos manipulation, bitchiness, self absorption and control. Difference is she has shown this. You of course will continue to dispute this: no matter, it is on tape.
You've told me all I need to know soozy. Thank you.
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by tupps:
As for the VT thing, that one has been covered to. But just for you I'll sum it up in a nutshell. What she said in her VT she has also said in the house and backed up by action. That's pretty irrefutable. But if you've evidence to the contrary, please share it with the group.. no need to address it to me, there are I am sure a lot of FMs who would be interested.
Delusional drivel and easily refutable.
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
This reconciliation is one of mutual benefit to Noirin and Marcus. Noirin needs to keep her enemies close (like she said in her vt) and not cause ripples because this could jeopardise her chance of winning the show. Much the best thing to kiss and make up in Noirin-world. Marcus will benefit from knowing that Noirin cannot keep away, cannot accept that their friendship has been broken. He can say 'I told you so' when the doo da hits the fan with Siavash.
But before that, hopefully, Noirin will be booted out and the show can take on another form, which includes Marcus doing Marcus things without the fame-hungry, egotistical, narcissistic, machiavellian, attention-seeking, emotionally immature (yes, even more emotionally immature than Marcus), manipulative and shallow Noirin spoiling the show for him and, more importantly, for us.
Top notch baseless drivel based on nothing but irrational dislike or confusion or an inability to perceive reality.
quote:Originally posted by Flossie:quote:Originally posted by Twee Surgeon:
This reconciliation is one of mutual benefit to Noirin and Marcus. Noirin needs to keep her enemies close (like she said in her vt) and not cause ripples because this could jeopardise her chance of winning the show. Much the best thing to kiss and make up in Noirin-world. Marcus will benefit from knowing that Noirin cannot keep away, cannot accept that their friendship has been broken. He can say 'I told you so' when the doo da hits the fan with Siavash.
But before that, hopefully, Noirin will be booted out and the show can take on another form, which includes Marcus doing Marcus things without the fame-hungry, egotistical, narcissistic, machiavellian, attention-seeking, emotionally immature (yes, even more emotionally immature than Marcus), manipulative and shallow Noirin spoiling the show for him and, more importantly, for us.
Top notch baseless drivel based on nothing but irrational dislike or confusion or an inability to perceive reality.
and you spouted at me for not understanding social interaction.quote:Originally posted by tupps:quote:Originally posted by The Guru:
Errr, it doesn't need to be for the reasons that you just babbled on about. Maybe its simply to clear the air, to get rid of the crappy atmos that's in the house for the sake of the other hm's.
The old VT argument doesn't wash with me i'm afraid. People will say any old thing to get on the show as we've seen numerous times.
Still bored?
Babbled. I see. Again with the attitude from the Noirin supporters.
Yes I am bored of repeating the same thing time after time after time. As are other people who have taken off the blinkers and chosen to try and see all sides of a situation. It gets a little tedious having to do that you see, especially when you've done it several times in the same thread.. in fact that is when it becomes VERY annoying.. because that says to me people are too lazy to read the thread.
Had you brought another angle to the discussion of my comment, I may not have been so fatigued. You didn't.
In case you hadn't noticed, I don't give a flying **** what her motives are for approaching him to talk. No, really, I don't. I made a comment based on what the house has been like since he wised the hell up and stayed away from her. If I were BB's psychologist, or BB, or anyone who gave the slightest inkling of a **** in that house I'd say the same. I don't support the guy, I don't support her. But it is plain as the nose on your face that he is better off keeping the hell away from her.. and she is better off keeping the hell away from him. Now, he seems to me to have been managing that quite well and should continue, hence my post. If you think they should kiss and make up and start the whole shambles again, then more power to you.. I don't agree.. end of discussion huh?
As for the VT thing, that one has been covered to. But just for you I'll sum it up in a nutshell. What she said in her VT she has also said in the house and backed up by action. That's pretty irrefutable. But if you've evidence to the contrary, please share it with the group.. no need to address it to me, there are I am sure a lot of FMs who would be interested.
I reckon we've exhausted this now. If you have any other opinions on what I have said I can pretty much guarantee you'll find the response already in the thread.
quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
neither of them come out of the whole thing very well......
he will always be remembered as the 'stalking obssessed one'.....she will always be remembered as the 'uber flirt who 'played' the lads'....
the pair of them need to grow up...
quote:Originally posted by Free Thinking:quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
neither of them come out of the whole thing very well......
he will always be remembered as the 'stalking obssessed one'.....she will always be remembered as the 'uber flirt who 'played' the lads'....
the pair of them need to grow up...
He was a friend to her whether you like that or not. Without Marcus she would have infinitely less interesting. Marcus will also be remembered for other things like his stories, his enthusiasm in tasks, his creation of a group to combat Lisa, his opposition to BB and other things.
do you not countenance that he was a friend to noirin for ulterior purposes?quote:Originally posted by Free Thinking:quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
neither of them come out of the whole thing very well......
he will always be remembered as the 'stalking obssessed one'.....she will always be remembered as the 'uber flirt who 'played' the lads'....
the pair of them need to grow up...
He was a friend to her whether you like that or not. Without Marcus she would have infinitely less interesting. Marcus will also be remembered for other things like his stories, his enthusiasm in tasks, his creation of a group to combat Lisa, his opposition to BB and other things.
quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:
I seriously think you need to get a grip
I haven't seen her reduce someone to floods of tears by ripping into their physical appearance nor have I seen her tear someones personality apart ................like you I'm getting tired of repeating myself - they all go the extra mile on the VT ..it's what sets them apart from the thousands of others.
As I have seen no evidence - I think you're made up scenario was quite irrelevant.
And there really is no need to thank me.
luckily for you I'm not going to stoop to a personal attack on you.. but it's not for lack of material.. 
quote:Originally posted by JacksonB:
hmm, well breaking the habit of this bb lifetime, i have to agree with tupps,in so far, they are much better off without each other
quote:Originally posted by The Guru:
Hey if you can't take it than don't dish it in the 1st place with your "are you bored yet, cause i am" comment. Attitude indeed!
Your "Yes I am bored of repeating the same thing time after time after time. As are other people who have taken off the blinkers and chosen to try and see all sides of a situation" comment sounds exactly like something Marcus would say, very arrogant imo. Nevermind the fact that you are preaching that you're seeing all sides when you have been very one sided.
Staying the hell away from each other in that enviroment is impossible and honestly very childish. If he stopped trying it on they could still have a friendship, he chooses to harrass her non stop hoping she'll cave in. That is what has caused all the drama. She doesn't like him like that and he is the one that needs to accept this and move on.
When did i say they need to kiss and make up? I said it's better to clear the air. She's tried to do that, all he could think of was to try it on, again
Perhaps the discussion about the VT can be had in the VT thread? Everybody goes OTT on their VT's. It's a tired old argument and happens every year.
. And as for the latter 'quote', if someone becomes terrier like with misdirected sarcasm then they can't be surprised if they are met with the same. I have seen both sides: if you are bored then check my post history fro my pro Noirion comments. quote:Originally posted by Sink the Pink:
Your posts sum up the sort of person you are to a tee Flossie
quote:Originally posted by Free Thinking:quote:Originally posted by spongebob squarepants:
neither of them come out of the whole thing very well......
he will always be remembered as the 'stalking obssessed one'.....she will always be remembered as the 'uber flirt who 'played' the lads'....
the pair of them need to grow up...
He was a friend to her whether you like that or not. Without Marcus she would have infinitely less interesting. Marcus will also be remembered for other things like his stories, his enthusiasm in tasks, his creation of a group to combat Lisa, his opposition to BB and other things.
