I'm struggling to find the words to express my revulsion at this pair.
I can't believe that a mother would stand by the man who researched and planned the murder of her child. It beggars belief.
This man committed the premeditated murder of his own child - I hope they lock him up and throw away the key.
I agree Moonbeams, seeing as he spent 6 months researching how to do it.
why are people so judgemental - none of us were presnt and we do not know the full story. It is plausible that this man was ill - or is mental illness not a real illness? For his wife to have stuck by him the way she has it does suggest to me that he was suffering from an illness although I was not there and for that reason I cannot say with any certainty. I mean fgs give the man a chance - stop being so judgemental till you know the full story. And if it is deemed that he was usffering from a mental illness I hope to god thatallthose jdging him never suffer from such an illness and end up being judged the way this man is.
I mean fgs give the man a chance - stop being so judgemental till you know the full story. And if it is deemed that he was usffering from a mental illness I hope to god thatallthose jdging him never suffer from such an illness and end up being judged the way this man is.
Give the man a chance? Like how he gave a tiny defenceless baby a chance?
I did suffer horrendously from post natal depression. However, I didn't spend 6 months researching methods on how to kill my child.
Guys, please don't bite. Ignore her. Only pretty-p would see a thread about the death of a six month old baby and use it as an opportunity to go on the wind-up and make the thread all about her. Ignore her, she'll hate that more than anything you could ever say to her.
why are people so judgemental - none of us were presnt and we do not know the full story. It is plausible that this man was ill - or is mental illness not a real illness? For his wife to have stuck by him the way she has it does suggest to me that he was suffering from an illness although I was not there and for that reason I cannot say with any certainty. I mean fgs give the man a chance - stop being so judgemental till you know the full story. And if it is deemed that he was usffering from a mental illness I hope to god thatallthose jdging him never suffer from such an illness and end up being judged the way this man is.
To be honest I don't care weather or not he had PND or another mental illness (but don't believe it) he is a child killer and should be locked up forever.
I mean fgs give the man a chance - stop being so judgemental till you know the full story. And if it is deemed that he was usffering from a mental illness I hope to god thatallthose jdging him never suffer from such an illness and end up being judged the way this man is.
Give the man a chance? Like how he gave a tiny defenceless baby a chance?
I did suffer horrendously from post natal depression. However, I didn't spend 6 months researching methods on how to kill my child.
That doesn't mean to say it won't affect somebody else differently - we are all individual and react to illnesses differently. Just like if two people had cancer they way their bodies react to the disease may be very different.
why are people so judgemental - none of us were presnt and we do not know the full story. It is plausible that this man was ill - or is mental illness not a real illness? For his wife to have stuck by him the way she has it does suggest to me that he was suffering from an illness although I was not there and for that reason I cannot say with any certainty. I mean fgs give the man a chance - stop being so judgemental till you know the full story. And if it is deemed that he was usffering from a mental illness I hope to god thatallthose jdging him never suffer from such an illness and end up being judged the way this man is.
To be honest I don't care weather or not he had PND or another mental illness (but don't believe it) he is a child killer and should be locked up forever.
So to me what you are saying is that you don't see mental illness as a real illness - like I say I just hope you never suffer from any mental illness.
why are people so judgemental - none of us were presnt and we do not know the full story. It is plausible that this man was ill - or is mental illness not a real illness? For his wife to have stuck by him the way she has it does suggest to me that he was suffering from an illness although I was not there and for that reason I cannot say with any certainty. I mean fgs give the man a chance - stop being so judgemental till you know the full story. And if it is deemed that he was usffering from a mental illness I hope to god thatallthose jdging him never suffer from such an illness and end up being judged the way this man is.
To be honest I don't care weather or not he had PND or another mental illness (but don't believe it) he is a child killer and should be locked up forever.
So to me what you are saying is that you don't see mental illness as a real illness - like I say I just hope you never suffer from any mental illness.
Didn't say it isn't real I said it isn't a excuse for killing a baby. If a person kills a baby they should be locked up forever to stop it happening again. It isn't right that it can be used as a excuse to lower the punishment.
why are people so judgemental - none of us were presnt and we do not know the full story. It is plausible that this man was ill - or is mental illness not a real illness? For his wife to have stuck by him the way she has it does suggest to me that he was suffering from an illness although I was not there and for that reason I cannot say with any certainty. I mean fgs give the man a chance - stop being so judgemental till you know the full story. And if it is deemed that he was usffering from a mental illness I hope to god thatallthose jdging him never suffer from such an illness and end up being judged the way this man is.
To be honest I don't care weather or not he had PND or another mental illness (but don't believe it) he is a child killer and should be locked up forever.
So to me what you are saying is that you don't see mental illness as a real illness - like I say I just hope you never suffer from any mental illness.
Didn't say it isn't real I said it isn't a excuse for killing a baby. If a person kills a baby they should be locked up forever to stop it happening again. It isn't right that it can be used as a excuse to lower the punishment.
But you are contradicting yourself - if he had an illness and his actions were caused by his illness is it right to punish him for that?? If you believe that the answer to that question is yes then you are effectively saying that mental illness isn't real because you are suggesting he was responsible for his actions. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that definately was ill - as I've said as I wasn't there I don't know the full facts the same as everyone else on here and for that reason Idon't believe we should be judging and labelling him.
if he had an illness and his actions were caused by his illness is it right to punish him for that??
The jusice system also has to take into account the protection of the public in the future which is why people who have caused harm because they are mentally ill are detained in secure facitlites.
Nothing to do with punishment and everything to do with stopping that person causing further harm.
You're right to say that none of us know the full facts but he will find it almost impossible to argue the mental illness angle because of the premeditation involved
if he had an illness and his actions were caused by his illness is it right to punish him for that??
The jusice system also has to take into account the protection of the public in the future which is why people who have caused harm because they are mentally ill are detained in secure facitlites.
Nothing to do with punishment and everything to do with stopping that person causing further harm.
You're right to say that none of us know the full facts but he will find it almost impossible to argue the mental illness angle because of the premeditation involved
I agree they do have to consider future public protection and that is achieved by offering him treatment in secure facilities - if he is ill what would locking him up achieve? The facts of this case are for a judge and jury in posession of all the facts to decide - not people on an internet forum after reading one article.
But you are contradicting yourself - if he had an illness and his actions were caused by his illness is it right to punish him for that?? If you believe that the answer to that question is yes then you are effectively saying that mental illness isn't real because you are suggesting he was responsible for his actions. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that definately was ill - as I've said as I wasn't there I don't know the full facts the same as everyone else on here and for that reason Idon't believe we should be judging and labelling him.
Not a contradiction assuming he had PND he still spent 6 months planning how to kill a baby, he should have known this was wrong even with PND and got help. If said illness changed his perception of right and wrong so badly he is a danger to the public so should not be on the streets. But in a mental home. At least until it is decided there is no chance of a relapse in the future (bearing in mind if out he might have/come in contact with more kids)
If it didn't change his perception of right or wrong and he knew it was wrong when he did it, it is irrelevant.
Mental illness or not that child is dead and should not be used as a excuse but simply mean he is locked up somewhere he can be treated
Why do you seem to think if he is found to have a mental illness it is ok he killed a baby? Of course he should be locked up.
The facts of this case are for a judge and jury in posession of all the facts to decide - not people on an internet forum after reading one article.
Well yeah PP but once something enters the public domain then folk will comment on it - it's the way of the world. Doesn't have any effect on the decision of the jury though and court cases should be reported I believe because justice has to be visible to the population.
Means less opportunity for a miscarriage of justice, although they do still happen
But you are contradicting yourself - if he had an illness and his actions were caused by his illness is it right to punish him for that?? If you believe that the answer to that question is yes then you are effectively saying that mental illness isn't real because you are suggesting he was responsible for his actions. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that definately was ill - as I've said as I wasn't there I don't know the full facts the same as everyone else on here and for that reason Idon't believe we should be judging and labelling him.
Not a contradiction assuming he had PND he still spent 6 months planning how to kill a baby, he should have known this was wrong even with PND and got help. If said illness changed his perception of right and wrong so badly he is a danger to the public so should not be on the streets. But in a mental home. At least until it is decided there is no chance of a relapse in the future (bearing in mind if out he might have/come in contact with more kids)
If it didn't change his perception of wright or wrong and he knew it was wrong when he did it, it is irrelevant.
Mental illness or not that child is dead and should not be used as a excuse but simply mean he is locked up somewhere he can be treated
Why do you seem to think if he is found to have a mental illness it is ok he killed a baby? Of course he should be locked up.
I am not saying it is ok if he had a mental illness however if he did punishment would not be the right pla of actione - he would need professional help in a secure setting. however what I do not agree with is people judging a person when in reality they know very little about what happened.
The facts of this case are for a judge and jury in posession of all the facts to decide - not people on an internet forum after reading one article.
Well yeah PP but once something enters the public domain then folk will comment on it - it's the way of the world. Doesn't have any effect on the decision of the jury though and court cases should be reported I believe because justice has to be visible to the population.
Means less opportunity for a miscarriage of justice, although they do still happen
I agree but it soesn't make judgemental attitudes right and a lot of the opinions on this thread have been incredibly judgemental.
I don't care where he is locked up mental home or prison either keeps him off the streets but assuming he has said illness he should not be released until he can prove there is no chance of reoffending. At minimum he should be monitored for 10 years
If he doesn't prison forever. If I ever had a illness that led to the premeditated murder of a baby I would be asking for the firing squad as I couldn't live with it. But I don't believe in the death penalty.
why are people so judgemental - none of us were presnt and we do not know the full story. It is plausible that this man was ill - or is mental illness not a real illness? For his wife to have stuck by him the way she has it does suggest to me that he was suffering from an illness although I was not there and for that reason I cannot say with any certainty. I mean fgs give the man a chance - stop being so judgemental till you know the full story. And if it is deemed that he was usffering from a mental illness I hope to god thatallthose jdging him never suffer from such an illness and end up being judged the way this man is.
Oh here we go - wondered how long it would take for you to appear with your critique about judgements on what is the makings of a modern day Hindley and Brady 
I see the poison dwarf has popped in.
This is a forum!! people give their opinion on the news of the day ,current affairs,showbiz etc.Regarding this case we are giving an opinion based on the facts provided by the Crown.
Read the evidence that was lead in Bristol Crown Court
Well that didn't take long.
So, thus far the argument in favour of the defendant is the comparison that cancers in two individuals may affect them differently, so a person with (alleged) mental illness (that is hormone based if I'm not mistaken), has licence to plot the death of a baby for months before carrying out the act and that's ok because HE had post natal depression after his FEMALE wife (the one with the hormones attached to the growing foetus) gave birth.
Yep. It's Sunday!
I see the poison dwarf has popped in.
Oi!! I maybe 5ft 4 but I'm 6ft 6 in heels you know
For a house in London I would, I'm not cheap you know 
Beamers *mwah* xxx
I see the poison dwarf has popped in.
Oi!! I maybe 5ft 4 but I'm 6ft 6 in heels you know
Here we go again......
She never seems to tire,regurgitating the same old sh*t.You just know this thread will be turned around to "Poor me".
You are totally unbelieveable Pretty-P. What kind of person would defend this monster? imo your posts are clearly just here to wind people up. Nobody on here is poo-pooing mental illness, and it's a massive insult to everyone on here to suggest or imply that people on here do not have empathy with mental illness sufferers... (Especially as some on here have probably suffered from depression themselves.) Many people have, but we don't go killing our CHILDREN!
I am sick to death of people murdering people (especially children) and then blaming depression and mental illness for it. It is an insult to people who are having to deal with mental illness and depression every day. And more often than not, people who do blame depression and mental illness, for their heinous and vile acts against other human beings, are just pulling a flanker, in the hope it will lessen their sentence.
What's more; it is clear (to me) that this man is not mentally ill - he is just a nasty little creature who found this unwanted baby a nuisance to his flashy little lifestyle, so he googled how to kill her, to get rid of her! That article sickened me to the core, and him AND his horrible wife are evil imo. And I agree with the person who said that he is obviously putting on a look of 'grief.' This evil bastard is just doing his damndest to try and get off with a light sentence, by 'pulling out the mental health card.' He is not grieving; he is hoping that people will believe his bullshit.
Frankly pretty-p, your posts make me feel sick. I didn't think anyone would stoop so low as to fight in this man's corner. I find it frankly absolutely outragous and sickening that you would defend this evil putrid creature. You have excelled yourself this time. And now you will act the victim and say that you are 'entitled to your views.' and people are being nasty vile bullez! You know damn well that your posts would upset people on this thread and that you would cause a storm, and that is why you put what you did. Do you even actually believe half of what you post? Or are you just taking the piss? I just wonder, because if you do believe what you write, then words fail me, because the things you come out with are shocking and offensive to say the least.
You are totally unbelieveable Pretty-P. What kind of person would defend this monster? imo your posts are clearly just here to wind people up. Nobody on here is poo-pooing mental illness, and it's a massive insult to everyone on here to suggest or imply that people on here do not have empathy with mental illness sufferers... (Especially as some on here have probably suffered from depression themselves.) Many people have, but we don't go killing our CHILDREN!
I am sick to death of people murdering people (especially children) and then blaming depression and mental illness for it. It is an insult to people who are having to deal with mental illness and depression every day. And more often than not, people who do blame depression and mental illness, for their heinous and vile acts against other human beings, are just pulling a flanker, in the hope it will lessen their sentence.
What's more; imo this man is not mentally ill - he is just a nasty little creature who found this unwanted baby a nuisance to his flashy little lifestyle, so he googled how to kill her, to get rid of her! That article sickened me to the core, and him AND his horrible wife are evil imo.
And I agree with the person who said that he is obviously putting on a look of 'grief.' This evil bastard is just doing his damndest to try and get off with a light sentence, by 'pulling out the mental health card.' He is not grieving; he is hoping that people will believe his bullshit.
Frankly pretty-p, your posts make me feel sick. I didn't think anyone would stoop so low as to fight in this man's corner. I find it frankly absolutely outragous and sickening that you would defend this evil putrid creature. You have excelled yourself this time. And now you will act the victim and say that you are 'entitled to your views.' and people are being nasty vile bullez! You know damn well that your posts would upset people on this thread and that you would cause a storm, and that is why you put what you did. Do you even actually believe half of what you post? Or are you just taking the piss? I just wonder, because if you do believe what you write, then words fail me, because the things you come out with are shocking and offensive to say the least.
I have not defended this man however unlike some I am not claiming to know the facts of this story - I have said if he did have a mental illness he has the right to receive the help and treatment needed to protect not just him but alos those around him. If on the other hand he has just done this whilst fully aware of what he was doing then yes he should be punished accordingly. What is wrong is people coming into this thread and judging this man beofre they are in possession of the full facts. Just because somebody have suffered from PND and not harmed their children it does not mean that this man was not suffering from this illness. I mean fgs there was a thread on here a while back saying that a man who broke the law whilst suffering from aspergers should not be prosecuted therefore if this man was ill why should it be any different for him?
At then end of the day until you have walked in that mans shoes you do not know how he was feeling or what drove him to his actions. If he was mentally ill he needs help if he was evil he needs punishment BUT what does judging hime prior to knowing this achieve?
You are totally unbelieveable Pretty-P. What kind of person would defend this monster? imo your posts are clearly just here to wind people up. Nobody on here is poo-pooing mental illness, and it's a massive insult to everyone on here to suggest or imply that people on here do not have empathy with mental illness sufferers... (Especially as some on here have probably suffered from depression themselves.) Many people have, but we don't go killing our CHILDREN!
I am sick to death of people murdering people (especially children) and then blaming depression and mental illness for it. It is an insult to people who are having to deal with mental illness and depression every day. And more often than not, people who do blame depression and mental illness, for their heinous and vile acts against other human beings, are just pulling a flanker, in the hope it will lessen their sentence.
What's more; imo this man is not mentally ill - he is just a nasty little creature who found this unwanted baby a nuisance to his flashy little lifestyle, so he googled how to kill her, to get rid of her! That article sickened me to the core, and him AND his horrible wife are evil imo.
And I agree with the person who said that he is obviously putting on a look of 'grief.' This evil bastard is just doing his damndest to try and get off with a light sentence, by 'pulling out the mental health card.' He is not grieving; he is hoping that people will believe his bullshit.
Frankly pretty-p, your posts make me feel sick. I didn't think anyone would stoop so low as to fight in this man's corner. I find it frankly absolutely outragous and sickening that you would defend this evil putrid creature. You have excelled yourself this time. And now you will act the victim and say that you are 'entitled to your views.' and people are being nasty vile bullez! You know damn well that your posts would upset people on this thread and that you would cause a storm, and that is why you put what you did. Do you even actually believe half of what you post? Or are you just taking the piss? I just wonder, because if you do believe what you write, then words fail me, because the things you come out with are shocking and offensive to say the least.
I have not defended this man however unlike some I am not claiming to know the facts of this story - I have said if he did have a mental illness he has the right to receive the help and treatment needed to protect not just him but alos those around him. If on the other hand he has just done this whilst fully aware of what he was doing then yes he should be punished accordingly. What is wrong is people coming into this thread and judging this man beofre they are in possession of the full facts. Just because somebody have suffered from PND and not harmed their children it does not mean that this man was not suffering from this illness. I mean fgs there was a thread on here a while back saying that a man who broke the law whilst suffering from aspergers should not be prosecuted therefore if this man was ill why should it be any different for him?
At then end of the day until you have walked in that mans shoes you do not know how he was feeling or what drove him to his actions. If he was mentally ill he needs help if he was evil he needs punishment BUT what does judging hime prior to knowing this achieve?
Also meant to say that yes people do use excuses like mental illness and bad upbringing etc as an excuse far too often but that is the point of the judge and jury to distinguish between reasons and excuses based on the fact not people on an internet forum based on an article in a newspaper and what happened to them on a personal basis.
How horrific,i hope they jail him and throw away the key, and take that woman with him
Pretty-P. Why on earth do you keep reposting/requoting every single last thing I have said in my post? People saw it and read it the first time, they don't need to keep having it reposted! Good grief!
PP just to say it's your prerogative to report my posts and I don't have a problem with calling you a troll where you can see it although as I didn't name you specifically it could have been about anyone. As you've reported it, I suspect you've decided it was about you and your offensive posts so you must on some level acknowledge your behaviour falls far below what I consider to be acceptable.
The post in the CDWM thread was a general comment. As you don't normally post in there I'm assuming you're reading every thread for mention of you. I hope I made your day and I hope you felt better having the opportunity to report someone else. 
How horrific,i hope they jail him and throw away the key, and take that woman with him
Fair enough if he is found guilty of murdering the child whilst in sound mind but shouldn't we wait to find out the facts before deciding what the outcome should be.
Nice post Pengy 
I bit when I know I shouldn't have 
she enjoys it and has dragged me down to her level and I'm not proud of myself
How horrific,i hope they jail him and throw away the key, and take that woman with him
Fair enough if he is found guilty of murdering the child whilst in sound mind but shouldn't we wait to find out the facts before deciding what the outcome should be.
Thats my opinion, and i am sticking by it, thanks
Errrrrrrm ................I know it's pretty controversial to say it but - surely no one in their right mind would kill an innocent baby. OK PND may not be an acceptable plea but - he really couldn't be right in the head could he?
I'm really not excusing his behaviour as it revolts me and chills me to my very insides .............I simply think the responsibility of having a child has tipped him over the edge. The fact that his wife is standing by him seems to indicate that he isn't an inherently evil person but a person who is mentally ill.
I know, I know ......................I've gone against the grain once again but ........................surely to God he really wasn't of sane mind. (And before anyone jumps in and says it went on for six months ........I just have to say - when did mental illness have a given time span?)
An incredibly sad case but not the actions of a 'sane' man IMO.
