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Originally posted by boltonfan2:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:


but they ARE guilty of a crime - its called leaving 3 children under the age of FOUR unattended.... lets just throw in the unlocked apartment and popping off to the tapas bar...

You know exactly what I meant as I was referring to the what you said about knowing more than they are letting on

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Originally posted by Marguerita:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by boltonfan2:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

I think they know either where she is OR what happened to her (its not illegal to think that is it???)

IMO - they are FAR too composed - and have been from day 1 - in the docu 2nite tho I must admit Gerry NEARLY - very NEARLY admitted they did wrong

Not illegal but tantamount to saying they are involved in her disappearance. Just because people are composed doesn't mean they are guilty of a crime

but they ARE guilty of a crime - its called leaving 3 children under the age of FOUR unattended.... lets just throw in the unlocked apartment and popping off to the tapas bar...

I agree with you Barmy leaving three children under the age of four alone in an apartment every night whilst they went out with their friends is a crime in my opinion ,and I dont believe it is the done thing that people do on a family holiday

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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AND... actually - didnt she say in the docu so far something along the lines of... 'you think you would notice a child being carried on a cold night and not covered up....

well excuse me - I thought the child the wonderful Ms Tanner saw being carried away - was covered in a blanket - and all u could see was her pink jama bottoms????

Oh for goodnes sake!!!!!!!!!!! I know you have your suspicions on the Mccanns ..........quite why I'll never understand! Do you honestly think if they had anything at all to do with her dissappearance they'd still be pressing so hard ........staying in the media spotlight?

If they were in anyway involved they'd be laying low and thankful that it had all subsided.

Oh give it a rest - it IS possible for parents to harm their children. They HARMED their children by leaving them alone every night FFS. I am NOT saying ANYTHING specific - merely pointing out that they are extremely culpable in their actions AND actually I do believe that they know more than they're letting on. Dunno about YOU, but I would be struggling (even 2 years on) if I knew deep in my heart that my child would still be with me if I hadnt pissed off to the tapas bar with me mates

Surely to God if they know more than they're letting on they would be thankful if it all died a death wouldn't they? Instead they press on looking for their child.

Why dont you give it a rest? .............I have my opinion and you have yours ..........the fact that they're still pressing on looking for her disproves your POV doesn't it?

You are very rude!

OK if u say so. Refresh my memory - did the whole group ever go a reconstruction around the time she went missing???? Why wait TWO YEARS and only Gerry and Ms Tanner turn up for it?


Yes, we have got differing opinions, and I would like to be left to be entitled to mine - I dont go chasing u around blasing ur opinion do I??

There really is no reasoning with someone like you. Ask yourself this ...................if Gerry and Kate had anything at all to do with Madelienes dissappearance why would they be digging it up two years later? Wouldn't they be glad that the dust had settled?

Seriously ...........how do you respond to that? I know if I'd commotted a crime I'd creep away and steer clear of any publicity .........wouldn't you?

They have been thoroughly investigated ............there was no case to answer and in the mean time valuable time was lost.

I know FACTS like that are wasted on peeps like you because you've already made your mind up.

No the facts are NOT wasted on me - and if u do ur research u will find a lot of people think like me. Like I have said before - rightly or wrongly - they were begging for money within literally a nano-second... had video footage, wristbands/madeleine fund... if u are completely dumstruck like that after losing a precious little girl u dont think like that. And as I have said in previous threads about this case (as u well know - if u had just lost ur precious little first baby would u bother to moisturise and make sure ur jewellery matched?? Same goes for Gerry to remember to shave.... yes and we have had this out before. I know for a FACT that I wouldnt give a shit what I looked like if my darling baby girl was missing

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by boltonfan2:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:


but they ARE guilty of a crime - its called leaving 3 children under the age of FOUR unattended.... lets just throw in the unlocked apartment and popping off to the tapas bar...

You know exactly what I meant as I was referring to the what you said about knowing more than they are letting on

yes I realise that - and I stick by what I said. I DO believe that they know where she is and what happened to her. I'm not saying that I know what happened - I just think that THEY know

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Originally posted by Marguerita:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by boltonfan2:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

I think they know either where she is OR what happened to her (its not illegal to think that is it???)

IMO - they are FAR too composed - and have been from day 1 - in the docu 2nite tho I must admit Gerry NEARLY - very NEARLY admitted they did wrong

Not illegal but tantamount to saying they are involved in her disappearance. Just because people are composed doesn't mean they are guilty of a crime

but they ARE guilty of a crime - its called leaving 3 children under the age of FOUR unattended.... lets just throw in the unlocked apartment and popping off to the tapas bar...

I agree with you Barmy leaving three children under the age of four alone in an apartment every night whilst they went out with their friends is a crime in my opinion ,and I dont believe it is the done thing that people do on a family holiday

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Originally posted by boltonfan2:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by boltonfan2:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:


but they ARE guilty of a crime - its called leaving 3 children under the age of FOUR unattended.... lets just throw in the unlocked apartment and popping off to the tapas bar...

You know exactly what I meant as I was referring to the what you said about knowing more than they are letting on

yes I realise that - and I stick by what I said. I DO believe that they know where she is and what happened to her. I'm not saying that I know what happened - I just think that THEY know

Why do you think that? There is no evidence to suggest that

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:
AND... actually - didnt she say in the docu so far something along the lines of... 'you think you would notice a child being carried on a cold night and not covered up....

well excuse me - I thought the child the wonderful Ms Tanner saw being carried away - was covered in a blanket - and all u could see was her pink jama bottoms????

Oh for goodnes sake!!!!!!!!!!! I know you have your suspicions on the Mccanns ..........quite why I'll never understand! Do you honestly think if they had anything at all to do with her dissappearance they'd still be pressing so hard ........staying in the media spotlight?

If they were in anyway involved they'd be laying low and thankful that it had all subsided.

Oh give it a rest - it IS possible for parents to harm their children. They HARMED their children by leaving them alone every night FFS. I am NOT saying ANYTHING specific - merely pointing out that they are extremely culpable in their actions AND actually I do believe that they know more than they're letting on. Dunno about YOU, but I would be struggling (even 2 years on) if I knew deep in my heart that my child would still be with me if I hadnt pissed off to the tapas bar with me mates

Surely to God if they know more than they're letting on they would be thankful if it all died a death wouldn't they? Instead they press on looking for their child.

Why dont you give it a rest? .............I have my opinion and you have yours ..........the fact that they're still pressing on looking for her disproves your POV doesn't it?

You are very rude!

OK if u say so. Refresh my memory - did the whole group ever go a reconstruction around the time she went missing???? Why wait TWO YEARS and only Gerry and Ms Tanner turn up for it?


Yes, we have got differing opinions, and I would like to be left to be entitled to mine - I dont go chasing u around blasing ur opinion do I??

There really is no reasoning with someone like you. Ask yourself this ...................if Gerry and Kate had anything at all to do with Madelienes dissappearance why would they be digging it up two years later? Wouldn't they be glad that the dust had settled?

Seriously ...........how do you respond to that? I know if I'd commotted a crime I'd creep away and steer clear of any publicity .........wouldn't you?

They have been thoroughly investigated ............there was no case to answer and in the mean time valuable time was lost.

I know FACTS like that are wasted on peeps like you because you've already made your mind up.

No the facts are NOT wasted on me - and if u do ur research u will find a lot of people think like me. Like I have said before - rightly or wrongly - they were begging for money within literally a nano-second... had video footage, wristbands/madeleine fund... if u are completely dumstruck like that after losing a precious little girl u dont think like that. And as I have said in previous threads about this case (as u well know - if u had just lost ur precious little first baby would u bother to moisturise and make sure ur jewellery matched?? Same goes for Gerry to remember to shave.... yes and we have had this out before. I know for a FACT that I wouldnt give a shit what I looked like if my darling baby girl was missing

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I'm really and truly not chasing you down but .......................you leave me speechless TBH

A family have had their daughter/sister abducted ....................you obviously think differently and I really can't find a way in there ..................I feel a bit sorry for you TBH if you think like that.

That's my last word.

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Originally posted by boltonfan2:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by boltonfan2:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:


but they ARE guilty of a crime - its called leaving 3 children under the age of FOUR unattended.... lets just throw in the unlocked apartment and popping off to the tapas bar...

You know exactly what I meant as I was referring to the what you said about knowing more than they are letting on

yes I realise that - and I stick by what I said. I DO believe that they know where she is and what happened to her. I'm not saying that I know what happened - I just think that THEY know

Why do you think that? There is no evidence to suggest that

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oh ok

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Originally posted by lal:
Is there any evidence NOT to suggest that?

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
I agree with you Barmy leaving three children under the age of four alone in an apartment every night whilst they went out with their friends is a crime in my opinion ,and I dont believe it is the done thing that people do on a family holiday

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Originally posted by boltonfan2:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:
oh ok

So you base your opinions on nothing then? Odd

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Originally posted by boltonfan2:

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Originally posted by Marguerita:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by boltonfan2:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

I think they know either where she is OR what happened to her (its not illegal to think that is it???)

IMO - they are FAR too composed - and have been from day 1 - in the docu 2nite tho I must admit Gerry NEARLY - very NEARLY admitted they did wrong

Not illegal but tantamount to saying they are involved in her disappearance. Just because people are composed doesn't mean they are guilty of a crime

but they ARE guilty of a crime - its called leaving 3 children under the age of FOUR unattended.... lets just throw in the unlocked apartment and popping off to the tapas bar...

I agree with you Barmy leaving three children under the age of four alone in an apartment every night whilst they went out with their friends is a crime in my opinion ,and I dont believe it is the done thing that people do on a family holiday

Barmy Brummie was referring to the fact that the McCanns apparently "know more than they are letting on" - he/she suspects they are involved in her disappearance

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
I agree with you Barmy leaving three children under the age of four alone in an apartment every night whilst they went out with their friends is a crime in my opinion ,and I dont believe it is the done thing that people do on a family holiday

Should they be prosecuted for this crime and what should the punishment be? The maximum jail term is 10 years for cruelty to a kid under 16 (neglect in this case), I think.

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oh ok

So you base your opinions on nothing then? Odd

I'm just sick of hearing ONE option - the wonderful McCanns (that left their 3 toddlers at home every night of their holiday) couldnt POSSIBLY have anything to do with the fact that their daughter is missing (even tho they left the apartment unlocked...... SHEESH....

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by boltonfan2:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:
oh ok

So you base your opinions on nothing then? Odd

I'm just sick of hearing ONE option - the wonderful McCanns (that left their 3 toddlers at home every night of their holiday) couldnt POSSIBLY have anything to do with the fact that their daughter is missing (even tho they left the apartment unlocked...... SHEESH....

Well lets go with your preferred option then. What evidence is there to suggest they had an involvement? In this country we base our legal system on facts and evidence

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
I don't think it matters what class the McCans are. I think alot of people dislike them not only because they left their children alone, but because the are middle class. It doesn't matter to me whether they are working, middle or upper class, what matters is that they are responsible for the disappearance of their daughter (along with whoever took her, of course). By going out and leaving their children alone, they gave the green light to any would-be abductor. They checked on the children, but some of the occasions it didn't actually even entail going into the actual room the children were sleeping in. Just a cursory glance seemed to be sufficient for them to ascertain that the children were safe and well.

I do feel for them as it must be pure agony that they have gone through, but not half as much as this poor little girl has or is still going through

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So, lots of people are focusing on the crime they know the McCann's committed ie. child neglect. What's a suitable punishment?

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So, lots of people are focusing on the crime they know the McCann's committed ie. child neglect. What's a suitable punishment?

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So, lots of people are focusing on the crime they know the McCann's committed ie. child neglect. What's a suitable punishment?

They are living it.

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:


yes I realise that - and I stick by what I said. I DO believe that they know where she is and what happened to her. I'm not saying that I know what happened - I just think that THEY know

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

oh here we go.....

what evidence is there that she WAS abducted???

just coz Kate said so - and her mate Tanner saw a man and remembered about it a few months later... he was carrying a child in blanket heading towards some market or other... and then (according to Kate) the child was just in jammys and Tanner then retracted her statement and said he was headed off somewhere else

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Cannot believe its been 2 years since she went missing, cannot imagine what her family must be feeling today, i have a 4 year old daughter and cannot even contemplate not kissing her everyday, do you think the case will ever be solved?

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Originally posted by Syd:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
So, lots of people are focusing on the crime they know the McCann's committed ie. child neglect. What's a suitable punishment?

They are living it.

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Originally posted by boltonfan2:

I would never have done this when my children were little either but I know my mum has done it and so did my sister when she went to a holiday camp several years ago. I didn't agree with it then and I wouldn't agree with it now but neither my mum, sister or any other person who loves their kids would ever do it with the intention of any harm coming to them and at places like Butlins and Pontins it was encouraged for people to go out for the evening and use the baby listening service

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
So, lots of people are focusing on the crime they know the McCann's committed ie. child neglect. What's a suitable punishment?

well.... putting the remaining children on 'at risk' would be a start - and a visit from a social worker once a month would bring the o so perfect parents back down to earth

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Originally posted by boltonfan2:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
I don't think it matters what class the McCans are. I think alot of people dislike them not only because they left their children alone, but because the are middle class. It doesn't matter to me whether they are working, middle or upper class, what matters is that they are responsible for the disappearance of their daughter (along with whoever took her, of course). By going out and leaving their children alone, they gave the green light to any would-be abductor. They checked on the children, but some of the occasions it didn't actually even entail going into the actual room the children were sleeping in. Just a cursory glance seemed to be sufficient for them to ascertain that the children were safe and well.

I do feel for them as it must be pure agony that they have gone through, but not half as much as this poor little girl has or is still going through

I would never have done this when my children were little either but I know my mum has done it and so did my sister when she went to a holiday camp several years ago. I didn't agree with it then and I wouldn't agree with it now but neither my mum, sister or any other person who loves their kids would ever do it with the intention of any harm coming to them and at places like Butlins and Pontins it was encouraged for people to go out for the evening and use the baby listening service

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
I don't think it matters what class the McCans are. (

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:
well.... putting the remaining children on 'at risk' would be a start - and a visit from a social worker once a month would bring the o so perfect parents back down to earth

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Originally posted by Soozy woo:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
So, lots of people are focusing on the crime they know the McCann's committed ie. child neglect. What's a suitable punishment?

well.... putting the remaining children on 'at risk' would be a start - and a visit from a social worker once a month would bring the o so perfect parents back down to earth

I said it'd be my last post on this. I lied FGS woman ..........get a grip ............why the vendetta?

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:
well.... putting the remaining children on 'at risk' would be a start - and a visit from a social worker once a month would bring the o so perfect parents back down to earth

Are the kids at risk? Or is punishment by humiliation as the last bit implies? We're quite short of social workers now, more so after the witchhunt of the Baby P case, so it might not be a very good use of scarce resources and it might put other children more at risk.

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Originally posted by Syd:

I think for the 'Media' it does.

In 'Real Life' no it does'nt.....but it does make 'ME' question the McCanns intelligence.

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Are the kids at risk? Or is punishment by humiliation as the last bit implies? We're quite short of social workers now, more so after the witchhunt of the Baby P case, so it might not be a very good use of scarce resources and it might put other children more at risk.

you are now just taking piss - something needs to be SEEN to be done about their gross neglect - and it hasnt

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:


u know what I'm saying


What do you think Barmy, really think. I totally agree that those children should never have been left alone. I am a neurotic who would never leave children even to a listening service or kids club, but that's just the way we are as parents. I can see from your posts that you are convinced the McCanns know something - but what do you think they know? This would have been pulled within three posts on C4 so it is good that we can elaborate and investigate theories.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Syd:

I think for the 'Media' it does.

In 'Real Life' no it does'nt.....but it does make 'ME' question the McCanns intelligence.

Not only the media Syd. I have seen loads of people going on about them being middle class and using that against them. Class doesn't come into it, you just don't leave your children alone no matter what class you are.

Are you saying that because they are middle class they should be more intelligent than working class people?

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:
What really REALLY gets me is that they having been asking Joe Public to fund their plight to 'find' Madeleine. They wouldnt be bloody looking for her if they hadnt of left her and her YOUNGER twins.