I watched a little bit of the video. Oh dear.... 
Luckily my ears didn't melt... but they may have bled a little bit, so the music's no great loss for me.
Originally Posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
Originally Posted by Cinds:
Originally Posted by Saint:
From BBC radio news,
"... and conspiring to rape a one year old"
Which BBC radio? Radio 2 said a young child. Not that the age of the child makes a difference, but saying this sort of thing in the digital age can influence the case, and I am sure well paid defence lawyers will do their best to use it.
BBC Wales are reporting the one year old thing...
It was Radio 1 around 5pm today
Originally Posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
Originally Posted by Cinds:
Originally Posted by Saint:
From BBC radio news,
"... and conspiring to rape a one year old"
Which BBC radio? Radio 2 said a young child. Not that the age of the child makes a difference, but saying this sort of thing in the digital age can influence the case, and I am sure well paid defence lawyers will do their best to use it.
BBC Wales are reporting the one year old thing...
As are the BBC and the Independent link I posted up there^^^ so it was obviously said in open court. It doesn't take a lot of working out that the 20 and 24 women who have also been remanded in custody are more than likely the mother's of the identified victims, so the children will be very young. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but given that the charges include child abuse image offences, and that they are in custody, then the police must have very compelling evidence. Also a police/NSPCC helpline has been set up, including a number to call from abroad, which suggests that they suspect there's a lot more.
Originally Posted by Supes:
As are the BBC and the Independent link I posted up there^^^ so it was obviously said in open court. It doesn't take a lot of working out that the 20 and 24 women who have also been remanded in custody are more than likely the mother's of the identified victims, so the children will be very young. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but given that the charges include child abuse image offences, and that they are in custody, then the police must have very compelling evidence. Also a police/NSPCC helpline has been set up, including a number to call from abroad, which suggests that they suspect there's a lot more.
yeah... I know what you're saying....
I am not holding out any hope that its all a misunderstanding...
Noooo! I liked lost prophets too.
What the heck!!!! 
This world has some terrible people in it
This world has some terrible people in itThere;'s a link over on DS to some website where someone was making allegations about a year ago.
Jesus christ, what is wrong with these people?
Originally Posted by Supes:
As are the BBC and the Independent link I posted up there^^^ so it was obviously said in open court. It doesn't take a lot of working out that the 20 and 24 women who have also been remanded in custody are more than likely the mother's of the identified victims, so the children will be very young. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but given that the charges include child abuse image offences, and that they are in custody, then the police must have very compelling evidence. Also a police/NSPCC helpline has been set up, including a number to call from abroad, which suggests that they suspect there's a lot more.
I can't (like most people) understand how these people can do that to a child, but to do it to your own child just really can't compute. Isn't it just instinct that as a Mother you will go to any lengths to protect your child?
Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo:
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
Originally Posted by Dirtyprettygirlthing:
I am so shocked and gutted at this - I love Lost Prophets !!! Never got round to seeing them live, but had always fancied it - guess not now
We were talking about this at work and I'm glad you like them because you can probably answer the question that came up DPGT.
We were wondering now that this news has emerged, would you now buy any of their music ?
probably not 'buy', but maybe naughtily download so they don't get any money... but then again I wouldn't download anything by Gary Glitter because of who he is, what he did and because his songs were shite.
Fascinating! Mrs Jer and I were discussing this yesterday. We still don't know who the Lost Prophets are, but agree on the Blanket Ban on GG. Whenever Ken Bruce starts off with MJ, we shout vile insults at the radio and switch him off-it's tradition. However I happen to know that Satan is bringing me the new Who and LZ albums. Isn't life full of contradictions?
Wonder who on earth GG spends Xmas with?
Or wot he does all day
Sentenced to 35 years this afternoon
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25412675
As he is 36 years old, that sentence should be double so that he is never released.
I was following Mark William Thomas' tweets from the sentencing this morning, and was getting myself in to a right angry state at some of the things the defence were coming out with.
35 years, is for once a decent sentence, but I agree it should be a sentence long enough to ensure he never walks free again. You know it will be appealed against using the 'the sentence is too long because they have used his fame to make an example blah blah blah'.
His life is (thankfully) virtually over, especially if other leads being followed atm will prove enough for another court appearances. Once he's out on licence at the age of 75, he wont be able to take a step without being watched. Of course he might die in prison, he's abused his own body enough for some sort of chromic disease to get him.
Originally Posted by Baz:
They should have thrown away the key ...and as for the mothers who were sentenced as well ....there are no words !
I think I'm actually more disgusted at the mothers for letting him abuse their children - disgusting pieces of filth.
I agree Baz the key should have been thrown away but hopefully he'll do us all a favour and ......
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Baz:
They should have thrown away the key ...and as for the mothers who were sentenced as well ....there are no words !
I think I'm actually more disgusted at the mothers for letting him abuse their children - disgusting pieces of filth.
I agree Baz the key should have been thrown away but hopefully he'll do us all a favour and ......
Yes, I have to admit I feel like that about the mothers too .....totally incomprehensible to me !
Originally Posted by Cinds:
I was following Mark William Thomas' tweets from the sentencing this morning, and was getting myself in to a right angry state at some of the things the defence were coming out with.
35 years, is for once a decent sentence, but I agree it should be a sentence long enough to ensure he never walks free again. You know it will be appealed against using the 'the sentence is too long because they have used his fame to make an example blah blah blah'.
What pathetic excuses were made?
Originally Posted by Cinds:
I was following Mark William Thomas' tweets from the sentencing this morning, and was getting myself in to a right angry state at some of the things the defence were coming out with.
35 years, is for once a decent sentence, but I agree it should be a sentence long enough to ensure he never walks free again. You know it will be appealed against using the 'the sentence is too long because they have used his fame to make an example blah blah blah'.
Yep!
Making murder at least 36.
Found a link on another forum to the court documents on sentencing. Be warned, some of it is very graphic and disturbing.
Kimota, that made for very difficult reading. To me the mothers should have got longer. How can anyone allow that to be done to their own child? I'm mixed with anger, disgust at the mothers and him, and complete sadness for those children who were betrayed in the most vile way imaginable.
Gawd ... that was a horrible read 
I couldn't/didn't read all of it and totally agree with what Cinds said
Originally Posted by Sprout:
I couldn't/didn't read all of it and totally agree with what Cinds said
I skim-read a lot of it towards the end to get to the bit where sentences were given. It's very heavy stuff!
I wont read it. I want to stay ignorant of the extremities of somebody's sexuality. I spilled a few tears for the children involved though.
No way I would read it either.
He's pan breid.
Tell you what, they'll have to put him in solitary. Cos if the others get hold of him.......
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Tell you what, they'll have to put him in solitary. Cos if the others get hold of him.......
He's deid.
Ola 
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Tell you what, they'll have to put him in solitary. Cos if the others get hold of him.......
He's deid.
Ola
What i cannot ever understand is why a high profile person would so blatantly risk his reputation/liberty and expect to get away with it.
Out of sheer curiosity i have watched interviews with Ian Watkins and he appears alert, bright and intelligent.
He had it all - risked it all and never considered the consequences.
Incomprehensible to do that - never mind to want to do what he did.
That's exactly it Saint. He thought he could get away with it
How would anyone with common sense (as he seemed to have) think that?
I think it's a kind of 'do you know who I am' type of thing
Its such a huge risk though. Getting rumbled is high.
He had more to lose than most yet this clever guy did it.
It amazes me
Yep, you're right
I'm no further forward.
It just beggars belief that he thought he was safe
Originally Posted by Saint:
I'm no further forward.
It just beggars belief that he thought he was safe
I'm not so sure that "thinking he was safe" was on his mind. I think that he is an individual with a serious problem, his view of the world would looked extremely wrong to us, but to him it may not be the case.
We have to be careful not to assume he thinks in the same way we do.
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
Originally Posted by Saint:
I'm no further forward.
It just beggars belief that he thought he was safe
I'm not so sure that "thinking he was safe" was on his mind. I think that he is an individual with a serious problem, his view of the world would looked extremely wrong to us, but to him it may not be the case.
We have to be careful not to assume he thinks in the same way we do.
Therefore the two mothers think the same way as him too then
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
Originally Posted by Saint:
I'm no further forward.
It just beggars belief that he thought he was safe
I'm not so sure that "thinking he was safe" was on his mind. I think that he is an individual with a serious problem, his view of the world would looked extremely wrong to us, but to him it may not be the case.
We have to be careful not to assume he thinks in the same way we do.
Therefore the two mothers think the same way as him too then
I'm not sure it's black and white, there may be degrees to this (a psychologist would be able to put up a much better explanation than me).
But clearly the mothers don't have the boundaries the vast majority of people do. I also wonder if drug taking made it slightly easier for them the sink to the levels of depravity they did.
For me the sentencing should be a lot harsher. I think anyone involved in this type of sickening act should start with a minimum sentence of 50 years before parole is even considered. After all they could have potentially destroyed lives before they had even begun.
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
Originally Posted by Saint:
I'm no further forward.
It just beggars belief that he thought he was safe
I'm not so sure that "thinking he was safe" was on his mind. I think that he is an individual with a serious problem, his view of the world would looked extremely wrong to us, but to him it may not be the case.
We have to be careful not to assume he thinks in the same way we do.
Therefore the two mothers think the same way as him too then
I'm not sure it's black and white, there may be degrees to this (a psychologist would be able to put up a much better explanation than me).
But clearly the mothers don't have the boundaries the vast majority of people do. I also wonder if drug taking made it slightly easier for them the sink to the levels of depravity they did.
For me the sentencing should be a lot harsher. I think anyone involved in this type of sickening act should start with a minimum sentence of 50 years before parole is even considered. After all they could have potentially destroyed lives before they had even begun.
I say put them all on an island somewhere far far away but I know we can't do that so the next best thing is for them to end their lives in jail