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Hello 

I'm watching Salamander BBC4  on Saturdays Is a must ..I'm finding Salamander hard going at the moment.....Its hard to discuss because a lot of people tape It and watch It back to back ''so I would never spoil It same with

The Bridge 2 ...why oh why did this happen ..of course I know It did ..but I felt so many loose ends were not tied up ...just me 

 

happy viewing 

FM

Really loving this second series. I get the feeling that Mercurio had enormous fun writing it: he's just toying with us throughout.

 

As for "Salamander": I made a conscious descision to regain my Saturday nights for a few weeks and gave it a miss...

 

BTW: it hasn't really been mentioned here, but I've been enjoying "Suspects" too. It's a bit more "workmanlike" than "Line of Duty", and the constantly twisting plots are - ironically - a little obvious, but I think C5 deserve credit for trying something a little different (and for committing to 10 episodes too).

Eugene's Lair
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I am finally getting into Salamander...without giving too much away 

 

The bank robbery etc ...just could not work It out probably because Saturdays are given over to fun a good drink a takeaway (for me ) but I have persevered 

and I'm finding  It fascinating ... can't wait for the next two episodes which I tape ...always been known to read the ending of a book  so I know what to expect .but I'll just have to wait

 

Seen some adverts of Mr Selfridge the lovely lawyer from Spiral Is in there

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gregory Fitoussi

 

 

 

 

                           

FM
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hello Eugene

 

can't say I blame you for giving your Saturdays a miss ...taken me a while to really get into Salamander , you may think me a sad case but sometimes I find It hard to concentrate ..when the same actors over and over do different roles 

put me off  really stupid ,I need to believe It  thats why I watch quite a lot of foreign films 

 

really how stupid am I ...of course they are only make believe ???

FM
Originally Posted by cologne 1:

I would be very disappointed if the whole thing came down to a bunny boiler conclusion, so I hope that's not the case and she's just a volatile individual with legitimate rage.

I understand where you're coming from, but my take on this series is that Jed Mercurio is just toying with us. He got us hooked right at the beginning and is enjoying reeling us in over the six weeks.

 

I learned from "The Killing" to treat this sort of show as a journey rather than a destination. I remember watching the first double-episode of "The Killing": I had an idea straight away who the killer was, and I was concerned that I was going to be very, very annoyed if, after another 18 hours of the show, it turned out that it was him all along. When I did finally get to the end, it turned out that I was correct, but you know what? I was so engrossed by then that I really didn't care how "obvious" the solution was. Journey: not destination.

Eugene's Lair
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
I'm beginning to think that the young male officer is the only innocent one in all of this!

So it was him!  

 

I've just watched all of it over this weekend (I've been avoiding this thread)   it's brilliant and I can't wait for the last one.   I totally missed the first series - wish I'd seen that.

 

 

Kaffs
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Madame Arcati:

Last episode tonight.  I am all a-quiver with anticipation.

 

Hope that it doesn't turn out to be Ted

seriously can't wait to watch it - is your telly OK now?

Seems OK at the moment, Pengy (apart from everyone looking a bit on the orange side).  Hope it holds out at least until after Line of Duty.

 

Enjoy and let's hope that it's a cracking finale!

Madame Arcati

End of the line â€Ķ Supt Ted Hastings [Adrian Dunbar), DS Steve Arnott [Martin Compston) and DC Kate FEnd of the line â€Ķ Supt Ted Hastings (Adrian Dunbar), DS Steve Arnott (Martin Compston) and DC Kate Fleming (Vicky McClure) in Line of Duty. Photograph: Unknown/BBC/World Productions

So, tonight's the night we finally find out the truth about who was behind the police ambush that led to the death of witness protection officer Jane Akers and two other officers and why. We'll also discover who killed 15-year-old Carly Kirk. Is the same person responsible for both crimes, or are we dealing with something more complex than that? Here's our guide to the runners and riders:

DI Lindsay Denton

The case for: She took the fatal phone call to Akers. She was the only police officer to survive the ambush. DCC Mark Dryden, her former lover, has accused her of stalking him and there are hints she's playing a long game and setting him up. More than one person has described her as manipulative and an expert liar and she certainly has excellent research and planning skills. She has been shown to have a temper when pushed, which might put her in the frame for Carly if there are two killers and two cases.

The case against: She's the one who's been set up, Dryden having seen a way of getting rid of two problems at once by placing her at the crime scene. She's been tortured, imprisoned and generally put upon all series; even the moments when she fights back are generally driven by desperation. Yes, she covered up her abortion and that gives her a reason to hate Dryden, but it doesn't mean she's guilty of more than feeling satisfied at his downfall. Why investigate Carly's death if she's the killer? She clearly didn't know Manish Prasad or Jeremy Cole, which suggests she's telling the truth about the ambush.

The verdict: On balance I'd say more sinned against than sinning (and yes, she did love her cat).

 

DCC Mike Dryden

The case for: The first question you're told to ask with a murder is: who benefits? And in the case of Line of Duty it's hard to look further than DCC Mike Dryden. He had "sexual relations" with the 15-year-old Kirk, who subsequently turned up beaten to death and buried under a garage. He organised the switch on the night of the ambush, which put Denton on the rota. He gave the go-ahead for Denton to meet Akers on the night of the ambush. He lied about his relationship with Denton. He also lied about his wife's driving charge, either to cover up the fact she's an alcoholic (his line) or to give himself an alibi for the night of Carly's disappearance. Unlike Denton, he is clearly on close terms with Prasad. He may also be the corrupt cop referred to in Tommy's video rant. Prasad claims Dryden ordered the ambush.

The case against: Seemed genuinely shocked by the news of Carly's death. No real proof that he was in Tommy's back pocket. May well have been set up by either Denton or AN Mysterious Other.

The verdict: Definitely an old perv (DC Kate Fleming's term) with a cavalier attitude towards women both young and old. Probably not the actual killer.

 

DS Manish Prasad and DS Jeremy Cole

 

The case for: Most likely suspects for the ambush. Prasad recorded a dying declaration under duress from Denton claiming they carried it out under Dryden's orders. Cole all but admitted to at least murdering Georgia when he died, which means he was trying to kill Tommy. Prasad was described as Carly's boyfriend and also knows Dryden, thus he almost certainly introduced them. He removed Carly's DNA from her foster parents' house under false pretences and had links to the garage her body was found under. His computer had images of the dead girl and also of Dryden with Carly, suggesting he was planning a sideline in blackmail.

The case against: Prasad and Cole are clearly up to their necks in this. But is Dryden the man giving the orders? Given the way Prasad's statement was obtained by Denton, there's room for doubt.

The verdict: Guns for hire. The question is, whose?

DCS Lester Hargreaves

The case for: He hid the discovery of the tracker from AC-12 and clearly has an agenda. He spends a lot of time lurking and listening and doesn't seem terribly interested in either cracking his murder case or supporting Denton, even though he apparently believed she was innocent. If Dryden is being set up, why not by Hargreaves?

The case against: Just because a man's a lurker doesn't make him a criminal genius. No real evidence that he's involved in either case. Nothing to link him to Tommy.

The verdict: Les is ornery, certainly. But does that really make him a killer?

DS Matthew "Dot" Cottan

The case for: Was revealed in the first series as a corrupt cop who has been on Tommy's payroll since he was a kid. May well have wanted to silence Tommy when he no longer served a purpose. He's a consummate liar, so his anger about the ambush could just be a front. Could be acting on someone else's orders.

The case against: Could just be saving his own skin and making sure his dark deeds from season one don't come to light.

The verdict: With Dot, anything is possible. A lot depends on whether he's acting on his own initiative or serving a new (or old) master.

John Thomas "Tommy" Hunter

The case for: Talking of old masters – are we absolutely certain Tommy is dead? The law of television crime dramas says its not over till the dead body's carried away, and the shouty Scottish one is a hard man to pin down. We also have no real proof that the man murdered by Cole was actually Tommy: Denton never saw him, and Akers, who was apparently on the take, could well have switched her witness long before the cops arrived. It's possible that Tommy knew the ambush was coming and set his own decoy in place.

The case against: Tommy never struck me as smart enough to pull that sort of bait and switch off. If he did, for what purpose? And what does he have to do with Carly Kirk?

The verdict: 50/50. It's not implausible, but I'd be surprised.

Richard Akers

The case for: Jane Akers's husband was having an affair with Fleming but also knew about his wife's possible corruption. He may have decided to get rid of an inconvenient spouse and keep her dirty cash, but he may also have been in on the whole plot (whatever it is) and helped Jane set it up.

The case against: No real motive. No real opportunity. No real link to Carly Kirk.

The verdict: A leftfield bet but, as horseracing fans could tell you, they do sometimes come off.

DC Kate Fleming

The case for: Was having an affair with Richard Akers. Covered that up. Went after Denton with the zeal of the secretly guilty. Was the last person Akers phoned – why?

The case against: Having an affair doesn't make you a murderer.

The verdict: Guilty of bad judgment and lying to her family and colleagues, but probably not guilty of murder.

DS Steve Arnott

The case for: Slept with a key witness. Is possessed of a pair of eyebrows that can seemingly compel every woman he meets to jump into bed with him.

The case against: Has spent most of the series trying to uncover the truth, putting countless backs up along the way. These are not the actions of a guilty man.

The verdict: Having disturbingly magnetic eyebrows isn't really a crime.

Supt Ted Hastings

The case for: Has money problems, which leaves him open to blackmail. Desperate for promotion in order to win his wife back, which may have addled his judgment. Fudged Denton's case and failed to ask probing questions of Dryden.

The case against: Is one of the only characters on this show with anything resembling an actual moral code. Allowed his underlings to go ahead and ask the hard questions of Dryden even though it could destroy his career.

The verdict: If Ted Hastings is guilty there's no justice in the world and I'll eat my specially purchased set of clip-on ties.

Line of Duty concludes tonight on BBC2 at 9pm.

So who done it?

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-ra...d-it-bbc-drama

FM
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Originally Posted by erinp:

 

DS Steve Arnott

The case for: Slept with a key witness. Is possessed of a pair of eyebrows that can seemingly compel every woman he meets to jump into bed with him.

The case against: Has spent most of the series trying to uncover the truth, putting countless backs up along the way. These are not the actions of a guilty man.

The verdict: Having disturbingly magnetic eyebrows isn't really a crime.

 

 

 

 

 they are the best eyebrows I've ever seen 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Garage Joe:
I don't need to watch it again even though I lost track of the latter plot twists. At least the journey was OK and we laughed out loud at the following prog, W1A.

Didn't really get into 2012, all a bit 'knowing', a bit cynical, a bit too many in jokes.  I expected much the same of W1A.  Five minutes of it and it kind of gave the same expression.  The BBC lampooning itself seems a bit like trying to ingratiate itself with the right wing media establishment and ticking the boxes of Daily Mail prejudices of those who see all BBC staff as paid up members of the Guardianista lefty liberal intelligentsia.

Carnelian

Still a few loose ends to tie up but there's going to be another series so hurrah for that.  I hope that most of the cast of the series will be up for it next time around (including the naughty boys, Dot and Nige (?)).

 

I feared at one time that Ted, with one eye on his money/wife problems might have put his promotion ahead of his principles and gone easy on Dryden but so pleased that he didn't. 

 

At the end when the cruise ship hove into view I thought we were going to get a glimpse of Mrs Hastings on the top deck, clinging to the ship's rails, Ted-less.

Madame Arcati
Au contraire my Norwich supporting chum! I think that they have used the Beeb as a vehicle to lampoon particular corporate types. One could inform the Mail readers, if any of 'em actually watch BBC2, of the amount of licence payers cash by filming it on site, and with BBC staff.
Today has been a typical day for us and Mrs Jer had to endure an half hour 'phone call with the strategic leader of a particular charity. Anything that gets back at these morons is OK by us.(even though they will never know)
Garage Joe

Line of Duty creator on finale: 'Wrongdoing isn't always punished'

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Thursday, Mar 20 2014, 11:59 GMT

Line of Duty creator Jed Mercurio has tackled questions, queries and criticisms from the show's fans in a Q&A session on the BBC website.

Line of Duty finale: Review

Mercurio's series concluded last night (March 19) with its highest audience of the series. The show has won critical acclaim for its script and brilliant performances from stars such as Keeley Hawes and Vicky McClure.

Keeley Hawes as Detective Inspector Lindsay Denton in Line of Duty episode 5

ÂĐ BBC / Steffan Hill


Some of the highlights from the fan Q&A session:

On the use of flashbacks in the finale:
"We thought it was the best way for the audience to have a closer relationship to Lindsay, and understand the truth about her motives."

On what happened to Cottan
"DI Cottan was offered a permanent position in AC-12 by Hastings, so we didn't feel this needed further clarification. Apologies if that left you a bit frustrated. It sets up the character nicely to be part of a third series, if we're lucky enough to get one."

On any confusion surrounding the ambush:
"To answer a common question: the ambush was set up by Cottan, acting as an intermediary between Tommy's criminal associates and corrupt officers Akers, Prasad and Cole.

"The plan was to kill Tommy and anyone who knew about the conspiracy to kill him. Denton was spared because she was ignorant of who was behind it all.

"Prasad in his testimony at the start said that Akers was killed because she knew too much about the plotting of the ambush. Cottan asked Akers if Denton wanted to know details, and was satisfied that she didn't.

"Lindsay got cold feet about going along with Akers's plan. We always felt there was a danger this particular story point might not be clear to everyone, but it was very important to understand how much she regretted the ambush, and why she fought so hard to conceal her complicity."

Keeley Hawes as Detective Inspector Lindsay Denton in Line of Duty: Episode 6

ÂĐ World Productions/Steffan Hill


On fans disappointed by the ending:
I'm sorry some people have been disappointed with the ending. I already mentioned in an earlier response that there would be things that some viewers would feel were important that weren't dealt with, and I appreciate that can be frustrating.

"We tried to deal with the main character points that we felt were at the heart of the drama. A further issue is the desire to have a just resolution, that is that wrongdoing is punished, but one of the features of Line of Duty is that there are times that doesn't happen, just like in real life."

On a third series:
"To all of you who are asking about a third series, we'd love to do one, but nothing's official yet."


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FM

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