Eugene's Lair posted:

Baz posted:

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Baz posted:

Oh and it wasn't a few weeks in the 70s ...it  started in 1970 and went through the whole decade in one form or another....that's why we ended up with over a decade of bliddy Thatcher....  

 

I did explain that Baz... Ted Heath was in power in the first half of the seventies ..it was 1973 and again in 78/79. 

But the point that I was making was that it started in 1970.... with power cuts due to work to rule .....and I think ....although I might be wrong the It was Harold Wilson then.....the thing is it didn't matter which party was in power ....and again from memory there were two Labour PMs and two Conservative ....it was the unions and hardcore Left that caused the problems  

No: that was Heath. It was the miners' strikes during his premiership that led to him imposing the Three-Day Week, and eventually losing the 1974 election. The strikes ended almost immediately after Labour came to power.

 

The 1978-79 "Winter of Discontent" was under James Callaghan, though, and that of course led to Thatcher wining the 1979 election...

I know all that Eugene .....I was there ....but I know it started in 1970 cos I was working for the electric board when the work to rule started the power cuts 

Baz posted:

Eugene's Lair posted:

Baz posted:

I know all that Eugene .....I was there ....but I know it started in 1970 cos I was working for the electric board when the work to rule started the power cuts 

But it's different to that now Bazzy, all JC wants is a fair day's pay for a fair day's work 

Sprout posted:

Baz posted:

Eugene's Lair posted:

Baz posted:

I know all that Eugene .....I was there ....but I know it started in 1970 cos I was working for the electric board when the work to rule started the power cuts 

But it's different to that now Bazzy, all JC wants is a fair day's pay for a fair day's work 

That's what they said then too 

Baz posted:

Sprout posted:

Baz posted:

Eugene's Lair posted:

Baz posted:

I know all that Eugene .....I was there ....but I know it started in 1970 cos I was working for the electric board when the work to rule started the power cuts 

But it's different to that now Bazzy, all JC wants is a fair day's pay for a fair day's work 

That's what they said then too 

this time its in black + white..everything costed-even skynews said their expert has ran through it & it adds up

now we've got the benefit of social media, we dont have to believe what the daily mail etc.. feed us..we can read what experts tell us

and

they all say its a winner

BBC are flapping & dont know what to do with theirselves

so they either ignore, lie or twist the story round to suit their agenda

pirate1111 posted:

this time its in black + white..everything costed-even skynews said their expert has ran through it & it adds up

 

now we've got the benefit of social media, we dont have to believe what the daily mail etc.. feed us..we can read what experts tell us

and

they all say its a winner

 

BBC are flapping & dont know what to do with theirselves

so they either ignore, lie or twist the story round to suit their agenda

succinctly put Pirate ..yet the BBC is still spinning the Tory line 

I have just watched Diane Abbott being interviewed in Manchester about security, police numbers and troops in the streets. I have to say that I don't think she is the best mouthpiece for the Labour party.

I watched and listened quite carefully and she started out answering as though she was thinking about the next word, very stilted and comes across as someone not confident in what they are saying. I then noticed that when asked another question she started to answer and unlike most politicians who get interrupted she stopped dead and listened to the interjection, it felt very much like she was pleased she was interrupted, kind of 'phew, got through that'.

It may just be me, but I really don't rate her.

"JC, get another more confident and much more eloquent public speaker" ...QUICK.

To be fair EC and I don't rate her much either..I also find Theresa May completely useless without a script and I'm not believing this Operation Temperer either...we haven't enough police and that's why the army has been called in. 

By the way, I though all campaigning was cancelled...Tory leaflet through my letterbox whilst I was out this afternoon and I have left a polite note on the door saying no Tory Crap, I think I'll have to be a bit more forceful 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

 

To be fair EC and I don't rate her much either..I also find Theresa May completely useless without a script and I'm not believing this Operation Temperer either...we haven't enough police and that's why the army has been called in. 

 

By the way, I though all campaigning was cancelled...Tory leaflet through my letterbox whilst I was out this afternoon and I have left a polite note on the door saying no Tory Crap, I think I'll have to be a bit more forceful 

Well obviously they don't think that THEIR stuff is c***. It's the stuff that ANTI-Tories must be shoving through your door, to which you refer!

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

Well obviously they don't think that THEIR stuff is c***. It's the stuff that ANTI-Tories must be shoving through your door, to which you refer!

I said only Greens or Labour leaflets...I'm going to be in most of the day tomorrow and I hope I catch them 

a facebook friend of mine posted this, I thought I would share. 

"Here's what I'm really struggling to understand...
All I've ever heard from people, for years, is
"bloody bankers and their bonuses"
"bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "
"bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"
“bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
"bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”
“it'll never change, there's no point in voting”
And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.
But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich.
The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the Labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.
So the media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with…
“she's strong and stable”
“he's a clown”
“he's not a leader”
“look he can't even control his own party”
“he'll ruin the economy”
“how's he gonna pay for it all?!”
“AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”
And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them.
We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying
“he's a clown”
“he’s a threat to the country”
“she's strong and stable”
“he'll take us back to the 70s”
And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. Theres no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) Because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.
And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.
You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
You think the Barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns Topshop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?
And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.
Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie, he can't lie, he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us.
He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.
His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there. Unlike the tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.
And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone.
The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.
Good, **** them, it's long overdue."

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

 

a facebook friend of mine posted this, I thought I would share. 

 

"Here's what I'm really struggling to understand...
All I've ever heard from people, for years, is
"bloody bankers and their bonuses"
"bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "
"bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"
“bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
"bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”
“it'll never change, there's no point in voting”
And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.
But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich.
The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the Labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.
So the media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with…
“she's strong and stable”
“he's a clown”
“he's not a leader”
“look he can't even control his own party”
“he'll ruin the economy”
“how's he gonna pay for it all?!”
“AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”
And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them.
We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying
“he's a clown”
“he’s a threat to the country”
“she's strong and stable”
“he'll take us back to the 70s”
And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. Theres no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) Because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.
And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.
You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
You think the Barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns Topshop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?
And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.
Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie, he can't lie, he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us.
He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.
His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there. Unlike the tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.
And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone.
The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.
Good, **** them, it's long overdue."

desperate stuff 

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.u...6pLid%3D962317545_uk

and lies by Fallon again, my hatred for the Tories never ceases to amaze me as I don't generally hate anyone or thing, I can honestly say my hate grows daily at their greed, evilness and spite on millions in this country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.u...pLid%3D1979366677_uk

WTF on the first one!!   

And I don't quite know what to say on the second one.  If it wasn't so stoopid, it would be funny   And the thing is.....he really believes it! 

Sprout posted:

WTF on the first one!!   

 

And I don't quite know what to say on the second one.  If it wasn't so stoopid, it would be funny   And the thing is.....he really believes it! 

it's gone past right wing propaganda to ridiculous 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Sprout posted:

WTF on the first one!!   

 

And I don't quite know what to say on the second one.  If it wasn't so stoopid, it would be funny   And the thing is.....he really believes it! 

 

it's gone past right wing propaganda to ridiculous 

I think the Labour party are being quite sensible in my area. We are a massively strong Labour region, I note that we have had no leaflet drops as yet. Green thinking which I appreciate. 

I find Dianne Abbott annoying and impossible to understand...something about her pattern of speech as well as what she comes out with...so labour have her and the Tories have Boris..kind of cancel each other out

brainwash alert for tonight

I have just seen something along similar lines on Reporting Scotland. Tories spouting rubbish and lies about other parties and how they are the only ones who can save us!

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

I have just seen something along similar lines on Reporting Scotland. Tories spouting rubbish and lies about other parties and how they are the only ones who can save us!

It really is scary stuff 

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

I have just seen something along similar lines on Reporting Scotland. Tories spouting rubbish and lies about other parties and how they are the only ones who can save us!

As far as I'm concerned, they are the only ones who can save us, up here!

Yogi19 posted:

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

I have just seen something along similar lines on Reporting Scotland. Tories spouting rubbish and lies about other parties and how they are the only ones who can save us!

As far as I'm concerned, they are the only ones who can save us, up here!

Well.....if Nic gets her way and Scotland goes separate, you can have them up there. I don't want them down here 

Sprout posted:

Well.....if Nic gets her way and Scotland goes separate, you can have them up there. I don't want them down here 

Happy to have them.

I'd be even happier if I could send Sturgeon down to you. 

Sound like a fair swap?

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

Well.....if Nic gets her way and Scotland goes separate, you can have them up there. I don't want them down here 

Happy to have them.

I'd be even happier if I could send Sturgeon down to you. 

Sound like a fair swap? 

I don't like Nic either, but she's a bloody sight better than May and her government 

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

Well.....if Nic gets her way and Scotland goes separate, you can have them up there. I don't want them down here 

Happy to have them.

I'd be even happier if I could send Sturgeon down to you. 

Sound like a fair swap?

 

No ta....there's a limit to friendship you know  Corbyn can't seem to make his mind up about Scotland though ...one minute he's not wanting to get into bed with the SNP, next he's saying he will consider looking into to a second referendum ....strikes me the man will say anything.... and promise everything to everyone ....simply to get into power 

Yogi19 posted:

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

I have just seen something along similar lines on Reporting Scotland. Tories spouting rubbish and lies about other parties and how they are the only ones who can save us!

As far as I'm concerned, they are the only ones who can save us, up here!

Really? I see them destroying ALL parts of the UK!

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

Well.....if Nic gets her way and Scotland goes separate, you can have them up there. I don't want them down here 

Happy to have them.

I'd be even happier if I could send Sturgeon down to you. 

Sound like a fair swap?

 

Yogi, Yogi, Yogi ... I love reading this thread, because I like to read opinions from all sides.

But this? Nooooo, this is not fair, too much, too far, and probably (and if it's not, it really should be) illegal! 

Sprout posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

Well.....if Nic gets her way and Scotland goes separate, you can have them up there. I don't want them down here 

Happy to have them.

I'd be even happier if I could send Sturgeon down to you. 

Sound like a fair swap? 

I don't like Nic either, but she's a bloody sight better than May and her government 

I beg to differ.

Baz posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

Well.....if Nic gets her way and Scotland goes separate, you can have them up there. I don't want them down here 

Happy to have them.

I'd be even happier if I could send Sturgeon down to you. 

Sound like a fair swap?

 

No ta....there's a limit to friendship you know  Corbyn can't seem to make his mind up about Scotland though ...one minute he's not wanting to get into bed with the SNP, next he's saying he will consider looking into to a second referendum ....strikes me the man will say anything.... and promise everything to everyone ....simply to get into power 

Bit like May 

Paxo's a pompous prick, isn't he?

Rexi posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

Well.....if Nic gets her way and Scotland goes separate, you can have them up there. I don't want them down here 

Happy to have them.

I'd be even happier if I could send Sturgeon down to you. 

Sound like a fair swap?

 

Yogi, Yogi, Yogi ... I love reading this thread, because I like to read opinions from all sides.

 

But this? Nooooo, this is not fair, too much, too far, and probably (and if it's not, it really should be) illegal! 

 I'm getting desperate, Rexi. I need to get rid of her somehow!

Rexi posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

Well.....if Nic gets her way and Scotland goes separate, you can have them up there. I don't want them down here 

Happy to have them.

I'd be even happier if I could send Sturgeon down to you. 

Sound like a fair swap?

 

Yogi, Yogi, Yogi ... I love reading this thread, because I like to read opinions from all sides.

 

But this? Nooooo, this is not fair, too much, too far, and probably (and if it's not, it really should be) illegal! 

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

Well.....if Nic gets her way and Scotland goes separate, you can have them up there. I don't want them down here 

Happy to have them.

I'd be even happier if I could send Sturgeon down to you. 

Sound like a fair swap? 

I don't like Nic either, but she's a bloody sight better than May and her government 

I beg to differ.

Ok, so we have a difference of opinion.  And I'll bet we're not the only ones 

Baz posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

Well.....if Nic gets her way and Scotland goes separate, you can have them up there. I don't want them down here 

Happy to have them.

I'd be even happier if I could send Sturgeon down to you. 

Sound like a fair swap?

 

No ta....there's a limit to friendship you know  Corbyn can't seem to make his mind up about Scotland though ...one minute he's not wanting to get into bed with the SNP, next he's saying he will consider looking into to a second referendum ....strikes me the man will say anything.... and promise everything to everyone ....simply to get into power 

 Changed his mind oftener than his socks on the second referendum issue

Kaffs posted:

Paxo's a pompous prick, isn't he?

Sprout posted:

Baz posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

Well.....if Nic gets her way and Scotland goes separate, you can have them up there. I don't want them down here 

Happy to have them.

I'd be even happier if I could send Sturgeon down to you. 

Sound like a fair swap?

 

No ta....there's a limit to friendship you know  Corbyn can't seem to make his mind up about Scotland though ...one minute he's not wanting to get into bed with the SNP, next he's saying he will consider looking into to a second referendum ....strikes me the man will say anything.... and promise everything to everyone ....simply to get into power 

Bit like May 

 Whatever you think of May you can't lay that one on her ....not after her manifesto 

Yogi19 posted:

Rexi posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

Well.....if Nic gets her way and Scotland goes separate, you can have them up there. I don't want them down here 

Happy to have them.

I'd be even happier if I could send Sturgeon down to you. 

Sound like a fair swap?

 

Yogi, Yogi, Yogi ... I love reading this thread, because I like to read opinions from all sides.

 

But this? Nooooo, this is not fair, too much, too far, and probably (and if it's not, it really should be) illegal! 

 I'm getting desperate, Rexi. I need to get rid of her somehow!

Take heart ... Cameron was my MP xxx

Yogi19 posted:

Baz posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

Well.....if Nic gets her way and Scotland goes separate, you can have them up there. I don't want them down here 

Happy to have them.

I'd be even happier if I could send Sturgeon down to you. 

Sound like a fair swap?

 

No ta....there's a limit to friendship you know  Corbyn can't seem to make his mind up about Scotland though ...one minute he's not wanting to get into bed with the SNP, next he's saying he will consider looking into to a second referendum ....strikes me the man will say anything.... and promise everything to everyone ....simply to get into power 

 Changed his mind oftener than his socks on the second referendum issue

Yogi19 posted:

Baz posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Sprout posted:

Well.....if Nic gets her way and Scotland goes separate, you can have them up there. I don't want them down here 

Happy to have them.

I'd be even happier if I could send Sturgeon down to you. 

Sound like a fair swap?

 

No ta....there's a limit to friendship you know  Corbyn can't seem to make his mind up about Scotland though ...one minute he's not wanting to get into bed with the SNP, next he's saying he will consider looking into to a second referendum ....strikes me the man will say anything.... and promise everything to everyone ....simply to get into power 

 Changed his mind oftener than his socks on the second referendum issue

And she hasn't changed her mind on things....or lied?