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I suppose it comes down to the fact that everyone is entitled to an opinion and because of their past high profile status they have a louder voice in part due to the media wanting a story.

 

I'm guessing if I took a similar stance as Blair/Brown I would get zero column inches due to my common man status!

 

The beauty bis we can all ignore their opinion and make our own minds up.

 

 

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities

Fascinating times to be a member of the Party.

I voted for Jeremy (from Chippenham) by return of post, although if I had known he intended to apologise on behalf of the Labour Party for Iraq, I would have abstained. I remember protesting muchly at the time-we all did, and thus I feel no guilt.

As I may have said before, if the Tories had voted with the Labour rebels then Blair would have lost the vote.

The idea that Blair somehow misled parliament is a red herring. The Guardian amongst other news sources constantly showed up his arguments for the nonsense they were. There is no doubt that our party needs a good kick up the arse and be directed in a left wing direction but I fear that Corbyn has as much idea about what is happening out here as the other three sorry souls.

His minders at the recent local appearance were doing a word perfect script from Citizen Smith.

Mebbees he might apologise on behalf of the Labour Party for not ameliorating the defects of Thatcherism and not restoring our Union rights, working hours, workplace pensions and benefits.

The rest of it he can leave to the novelty parties.

Garage Joe

Still haven't voted.  My heart says Corbyn but my head says Burnham.  Voting for Stella Creasy for deputy.  She has the potential to be party leader and is far more capable and instinctively Labour than Kendall and Cooper.

 

There's quite a few policies that make me nervous of Corbyn but should Burnham pull off a victory will he have the vision to acknowledge Corbyn's appeal or will he just drink the Cool Aid of 'electoral appeal' as represented by the likes of Liz Kendall and all the other Blairite Tory entryists.

Carnelian
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Originally Posted by Garage Joe:

Fascinating times to be a member of the Party.

I voted for Jeremy (from Chippenham) by return of post, although if I had known he intended to apologise on behalf of the Labour Party for Iraq, I would have abstained. I remember protesting muchly at the time-we all did, and thus I feel no guilt.

As I may have said before, if the Tories had voted with the Labour rebels then Blair would have lost the vote.

The idea that Blair somehow misled parliament is a red herring. The Guardian amongst other news sources constantly showed up his arguments for the nonsense they were. There is no doubt that our party needs a good kick up the arse and be directed in a left wing direction but I fear that Corbyn has as much idea about what is happening out here as the other three sorry souls.

His minders at the recent local appearance were doing a word perfect script from Citizen Smith.

Mebbees he might apologise on behalf of the Labour Party for not ameliorating the defects of Thatcherism and not restoring our Union rights, working hours, workplace pensions and benefits.

The rest of it he can leave to the novelty parties.

Disagree in part.  Blair did misled Parliament but the Tories were entirely complicit in the deception.  Few seem to appreciate that the Tories are a party sufficiently full of legal professionals and experts where they could - had they wanted to - held Blair to account. 

 

Liberal press was openly critical of the claims and some of the right wing press too.  The BBC, Mirror, Independent and Guardian all were critical of the claims of weapons of mass destruction.  The so-called opposition chose to ignore the words of defiance and side with a party that they were supposed to hold to account.  Rather than holding Blair to account, they were his allies.  Tory MP support for war was more unanimous than Labour MP support.

Carnelian

Finally voted.  I couldn't decide between Burnham and Corbyn till the last minute.  I think Burnham has more potential to be a successful party leader than Corbyn.

 

In a way, I hope Burnham wins, but I voted for Corbyn because I didn't want Yvette to nick the leadership.  And Corbyn's left wing vision may be just what the country needs. 

 

I think he could work well with Burnham and others on the left of the party. The country needs no half measures to reverse the mess of the last 3 decades.  Corbyn may be just the man to do it, even though his age and some of his more 'loony left' thinking will be a concern.

 

Yvette's done well recently but over a long period she just hasn't proven she's anything more than a hack politician. 

 

If I was able to, I wouldn't have had Liz Kendall as a choice at all!

 

Deputy Leader I voted for Stella Creasy with Tom Watson next.  Caroline Flint last.  I recall Flint posing for Sunday supplements wearing various dresses and then sticking the boot into Gordon Brown for, as she claimed, wanting her for window dressing!

Carnelian
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Dear C*** S****,

It is a deep honour to be elected as the Labour Party's new Leader. The honour is not about holding office — it is about the opportunity to serve you in the fight to get a better government for our country.

I want to pay tribute to Andy, Yvette and Liz. As the last few weeks have shown, each of them cares passionately about the Labour party and its values and has made a fantastic contribution to it.

The Labour Party is the joint endeavour of each and every one of us that believe in fairness, equality and social justice. If you share these values then I want to use your talents to make us stronger, and I want to represent you.

So, help me be your representative. When I stand at the despatch box for Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday, I want to be your voice.

 

Let's hold this government to account together with straight-talking, honest politics.

Thank you for your commitment to building a better future. I look forward to working with you.

Best wishes,

Jeremy Corbyn

Cold Sweat
Originally Posted by Cold Sweat:

Dear C*** S****,

It is a deep honour to be elected as the Labour Party's new Leader. The honour is not about holding office — it is about the opportunity to serve you in the fight to get a better government for our country.

I want to pay tribute to Andy, Yvette and Liz. As the last few weeks have shown, each of them cares passionately about the Labour party and its values and has made a fantastic contribution to it.

The Labour Party is the joint endeavour of each and every one of us that believe in fairness, equality and social justice. If you share these values then I want to use your talents to make us stronger, and I want to represent you.

So, help me be your representative. When I stand at the despatch box for Prime Minister's Questions on Wednesday, I want to be your voice.

 

Let's hold this government to account together with straight-talking, honest politics.

Thank you for your commitment to building a better future. I look forward to working with you.

Best wishes,

Jeremy Corbyn

 

 

I also received that email CS,,, the link provided for questions you would like him to put forward at Question time is interesting...for the first time in a long while I feel excited at the prospect of a man with passion and principals being in the forefront of politics! I don't know how long it will last, but as the labour party was standing before this election..my vote was heading to the Greens 

 

some of the questions sent in to be put forward to Cameron..

 

and about trade unions. Why does he have a problem with Labour being funded by the workers? Does he think that donations from very wealthy individuals are a better way to represent ordinary people?

 

 

When are you going to take responsibility and apologise for the deaths of the people who lost everything through your ideological welfare policies? (If you don't accept responsibility then why not open an independent investigation to prove this?)

 

 

 

And if you want to get sick and disabled people back to work why don't you create jobs which will help them to stay well instead of forcing them back to work to do menial tasks because they are 'worth less'?

 

Is poor bashing a new Tory sport?

 

Does Mr Cameron realise the State pension is not a benefit & has been paid for by millions of ordinary workers via National Insurance contributions

 

 

just a few valid points....there are loads 

Dame_Ann_Average
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Originally Posted by Madame Arcati:

I'm sure that smug Cameron thinks he's going to be in for an easy ride on PMQs.  It'll be great if  JC can wipe the smug smile from his smug face, turning him from smug to mug.

 

 

I'm hoping so too Madame...QT is a farce now, with baying and point scoring and slap downs from Cameron..whilst the slimey IDS and Gidiot cheer him on. Corbyn doesn't stoop that low..it will be interesting 

 

*edited to say...one tory likened him to Stalin this morning...and so it begins* 

Dame_Ann_Average
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Corbyn actually talks like a real person !!!  Not in meaningless platitudes and PR speak. Like in the olden days before Blairbots invaded Labour.  If theres a split... good! Clear orrff  and join the Tories  [ or even the Lib Dems though they'd probably too far left for the Blairbots ]

 

I get a feeling of "thank goodness, sanity is restored". Like when Jeebus cleared the money lenders out of the temple 

FM

Shadow health secretary - Heidi Alexander         

A former party whip under Ed Miliband's leadership, the MP for Lewisham East may be unknown to many outside Westminster. She has previously campaigned against the closure of Lewisham Hospital's A&E department. Speaking after her appointment she told the BBC a"very very limited role" for the private sector in the NHS could be a good thing.

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Oh lordy, sack her NOW!!!!!

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
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Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

Shadow health secretary - Heidi Alexander         

A former party whip under Ed Miliband's leadership, the MP for Lewisham East may be unknown to many outside Westminster. She has previously campaigned against the closure of Lewisham Hospital's A&E department. Speaking after her appointment she told the BBC a"very very limited role" for the private sector in the NHS could be a good thing.

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Oh lordy, sack her NOW!!!!!

 

 

the private sector plays a massive role now...and most of it went to firms that had links to the tory party MP's 

 

 

http://www.unitetheunion.org/n...ked-to-health-firms/

Dame_Ann_Average
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Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

Could 'Stalin' be any worse than Cameron and his cronies?

Well, yeah, Cameron's preferable to Uncle Joe Stalin, but comparing this government to a homicidal, psychotic tyrant is setting the bar pretty low! Better than Stalin is no great mark of a leader.

 

The new trade union bill has the hallmarks of fascist oppression.  When David Davis, a Tory right winger, evokes the policies of Spanish fascist, Franco, when describing the bill, it's worth pondering how close to corporate fascism we are under the Tories.

Carnelian
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