I'll give you the conclusion. He's a wanker. Two minutes in and fecked everything, Argue with that - I'm here all day   

@velvet donkey posted:

I'll give you the conclusion. He's a wanker. Two minutes in and fecked everything, Argue with that - I'm here allday   

I totally agree Velvet …..mind you , looks like Truss is going to throw him under the bus anyway ….and she might end up being the shortest serving PM in history ….I hope .

I cannot see any way out for her. There is no way you lie through this.

The OBR by the way, the thing they want to hide, - were they dictated to on Friday       

@velvet donkey posted:

I cannot see any way out for her. There is no way you lie through this.

The OBR by the way, the thing they want to hide, - were they dictated to on Friday       

He’s an A hole …and she’s an A hole too

They’re not for turning, though.  Oh no, definitely not.    Never, ever.

Oh, hold on a minute….

@JustOneMoreThing posted:

They’re not for turning, though.  Oh no, definitely not.    Never, ever.

Oh, hold on a minute….

We need more of you                

At this rate just about ANYBODY, even 'the man down the pub' could do a better job!

And yes, Truss is goimg to say it was all Kwarteng's fault! I think she already has, in some ways.

As I see it though, Kwarteng is just her puppet, doing her bidding!

I can’t see her lasting until Xmas at this rate ….I hope

@Baz posted:

I can’t see her lasting until Xmas at this rate ….I hope

Neither can I. and I'm in the 1922 committee     

@velvet donkey posted:

Neither can I. and I'm in the 1922 committee     

It’s the people that are pulling her strings that we should worry about, too.  👀

@JustOneMoreThing posted:

It’s the people that are pulling her strings that we should worry about, too.  👀

It's the people in general that vote for these wallies that we should worry about...

And there's a certain air of 'maybe we should have gone for Rishi after all!'

@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:

And there's a certain air of 'maybe we should have gone for Rishi after all!'

Yes

The way I read this thread, you all sound like 'Torys' complaining about your 'choices' during the 'election' of your 'party leader (president)'.

How many 'elections' can a 'party' undertake before a 'choice' goes out to 'the public'? For answers to this, look to 'The Blair Years of Government'!

IMHO when a Prime Minister 'resigns' because their 'Cabinet Ministers' can't support them, a 'majour fault' exists in the 'ethos' between the 'party leader' and 'the party'. Again, IMHO where this scenario exists, the 'governing party' can no longer form an effective 'Government' simply because either, 'the party' is 'at odds' with the manifesto that their, 'leader got them elected by', or the 'Prime Minister (and/or their objectives altered)' has 'strayed' from the 'party objective'. Whatever!!!

These 'issues' should be put to 'the people' and not just decided within the 'party politic' of the 'Walls of Westminster'!

It's late and perhaps I drank too much. Think about my comment.

Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA suricat).

Don't worry about it. All opinions are welcome   

I like cats   

Well, I'm Scottish and wouldn't touch the Tories with the proverbial  barge pole!

Voted ONCE, for labour, but that turned out a mistake. So it's been SNP the rest of the time as I don't see anything better for Scotland. Now I'm not saying they are the Bees Knees, but so far, all alternatives seem worse!

Hi Suricat.

Hi Suricat Well I’ve voted for all the main parties over my lifetime , but certainly wouldn’t vote for the conservatives these days…..

I like Baz. She does genuilnely makes me laugh.

You have some spiriit Baz Keep it going   

Is Baz a rebel. Probably is     

@velvet donkey posted:

I like Baz. She does genuilnely makes me laugh.

You have some spiriit Baz Keep it going   

@Baz posted:

You're welcome   

Kwasi.is my daughters MP……his constituency includes a small place called Ashford…..he had to go there, but thought it was Ashford in Kent……didn’t even know his own constituency 🙄

@Kaytee posted:

Kwasi.is my daughters MP……his constituency includes a small place called Ashford…..he had to go there, but thought it was Ashford in Kent……didn’t even know his own constituency 🙄

Rofl 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣That says it all !

@Kaytee posted:

Kwasi.is my daughters MP……his constituency includes a small place called Ashford…..he had to go there, but thought it was Ashford in Kent……didn’t even know his own constituency 🙄

I’m always voted for either Labour or the Greens, never Tory.

And I still find it baffling that anyone thought that Johnson would make a good PM.  

And as for Truss …

Very often I haven't voted because I don't agree with any of them...we shouldn't have party politics!
It should be the best man/woman for the job....to keep the country going at it's best.
Strip them all of their salaries...let's see who still wants their positions

I tend to vote for the policies I like  , hence why I have no real political party allegiance .

@Baz posted:

Rofl 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣That says it all !

🤣🤣🤣…..doesn’t it just

@Baz posted:

I tend to vote for the policies I like  , hence why I have no real political party allegiance .

Ditto❤️

@velvet donkey posted:

Don't worry about it. All opinions are welcome   

I like cats   

Thanks for the 'invite' velvet donkey.

Guys! The problem here is, IMHO, 'the democraic mandate'! 'First past the post' was a 'reasonable system' to select a 'Governing Party' whilst there were only 'two parties' up for a 'General Election' (Whigs and Tories), however, 'more than two parties' up for a General Election statisticaly reduces the 'probabillity' of a 'mandate' from 'the people' taking part in a General Election. I'll 'elucidate/expand' on this statistic if requested.

IMHO, now that we have several 'parties' involved in a UK General Election we need a form of 'PR' (Proportional Representation) to 'employ a governing body' that can 'accurately' be representive of 'the people' that they 'represent'.

If 'The Blear Years' didn't 'hobble' the call for a General Election to a 'five year period', or 'when the Ruling Party' decided to call 'a General Election', we'd have already had a General Election immediately after Boris Johnson got us out of Europe. Let's face it, 'Boris' had the 'charisma' to 'expidite', but lacked the 'direction' to achieve this for the 'majority'. Nuf said!

Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA, suricat).

@suricat posted:

Thanks for the 'invite' velvet donkey.

Guys! The problem here is, IMHO, 'the democraic mandate'! 'First past the post' was a 'reasonable system' to select a 'Governing Party' whilst there were only 'two parties' up for a 'General Election' (Whigs and Tories), however, 'more than two parties' up for a General Election statisticaly reduces the 'probabillity' of a 'mandate' from 'the people' taking part in a General Election. I'll 'elucidate/expand' on this statistic if requested.

IMHO, now that we have several 'parties' involved in a UK General Election we need a form of 'PR' (Proportional Representation) to 'employ a governing body' that can 'accurately' be representive of 'the people' that they 'represent'.

If 'The Blear Years' didn't 'hobble' the call for a General Election to a 'five year period', or 'when the Ruling Party' decided to call 'a General Election', we'd have already had a General Election immediately after Boris Johnson got us out of Europe. Let's face it, 'Boris' had the 'charisma' to 'expidite', but lacked the 'direction' to achieve this for the 'majority'. Nuf said!

Kindest regards, Ray Dart (AKA, suricat).

I agree about the fact that we need a new voting system ….and  I think we also need reform to stop a new prime minister foisted on us without a general election .

@Baz posted:

I agree about the fact that we need a new voting system ….and  I think we also need reform to stop a new prime minister foisted on us without a general election .

Thanks for your support Baz, but I think we need to get back to the primary subject of this thread and not the 'digression' that I took it to.

Whilst I 'digressed', I also aluded to the 'true desire' of 'the people' (now I sound like a 'communist' [this is untrue]). However, the needs of the people are 'paramount' to the responsabillities of 'any governing body' (the 'governing body' is 'required' to 'care' for the electorate that 'elected' them)!

But we didn't 'elect' Liz Trust. She just 'appeared' in our 'BBC News updates' and gave us Kwasi Kwartang as a 'treasury securaty'' within our government

@suricat posted:

Thanks for your support Baz, but I think we need to get back to the primary subject of this thread and not the 'digression' that I took it to.

Whilst I 'digressed', I also aluded to the 'true desire' of 'the people' (now I sound like a 'communist' [this is untrue]). However, the needs of the people are 'paramount' to the responsabillities of 'any governing body' (the 'governing body' is 'required' to 'care' for the electorate that 'elected' them)!

But we didn't 'elect' Liz Trust. She just 'appeared' in our 'BBC News updates' and gave us Kwasi Kwartang as a 'treasury securaty'' within our government

But as such, Suricat, we don't DIRECTLY elect  the Prime Minister. We elect a political party and the party elects a leader who then becomes PM. Yes, we generally know who the leader of each party is before the election, but we are usually electing the party on their manifesto and hoping/expecting THEIR elected leader to do a decent job.

I'm not sure Fluffs. Jelensky, Trump and Johnson were all "celebrity politics" to name but three.

Thank feck for Truss     

What was Jelensky's rating before Mad Dog? It was in the 30's .

Is Kwarteng going to be sacked? There seems to be some speculation to that effect and that more U-turns are in the offing!

Quasi (fake/pretend) and Kwasi????