The mirror never lies.

I don't mind him, but whilst I believe he does care about her, it's not in the way she (he lets her) think.  To be honest, I'm not sure he's all that highly sexed - his cuddles and kisses all seem very chaste...... and whilst it might just be that he's super camera aware his talk of not havin many relationships and being 30 second guy all kinda make me wonder.

^^^

assuming he's straight, that is.

twice tonight, and some believe he's a genuine guy 

Sorry Kaffy, he's the biggest game player in the house... he's studied, watched and manipulated...can't stand people who walk over people to win and he is/will.

I change my mind about him on a regular basis Dame Ann -  I do think there are just a big game players in there mind you - Mario, Josie and Dave to name three.    I still think there's something very UNsexual about him - I was watching him cuddling her on the bed there... his legs were out in the opposite direction.. he just about had her in headlock - no way do I believe they've properly 'snogged'... when I see them cuddling in bed, I just keep thinking 'He looks like he'd be rubbish in bed!'    Now.. that might just be because he doesn't fancy Josie, I don't know.

To be perfectly honest, anybody who has a Barbie collection at home at the age of 24 be they male or female, are suspect to me any way. JJ1 has sniffed out another desperado in Josie and they are rolling with it.

Oh I agree with all that Kaffy, to me he comes across as asexual, but I'm no expert. I just can't understand people believing/seeing him as wanting Josie in that way. It annoys me she's getting all the blame, he's giving off mixed signals and will do anything to win...to me that's wrong, so very wrong. In fact I would rather any of the others stayed in before him, he will walk over fire to win it, and that's sad.

Cologne 

Not if your a collector..some Barbies go for €85,000, they are a good investment....

Stonks  Will he be able to let go though?

sorry but ,me ,possibly the most cynical person in the world, buys this one

He pats her as you would a pet dog,fancy her my ass,he is always very considerate though ,he makes sure that the cameras are on them when they are in an embrace.

\how does he do that then? Does he tip the wink to the cameras? There is some bloody silly talk on here IMO. They are all in there living a life ................nobody can be totally contrived 24/7.

I believe that there is a very real relationship between JJ and Josie ............admittedly Josie has a more romantic notion  but ...................surely it's pretty obvious that they really get on and like each others company isn't it?

Hms have said that they know when the cameras are following another HM(S).
They are the ones that have pointed out that they know who the camera's are focusing on .
Does Crab eyes like Josie ,Yes ,as he has said time and time again as a friend /sister.Not in a romantic way.
Its a forum and I am just giving my opinion ,no need to reply if you find it bloody silly (your words ,not mine)cheers.

erinp.....What you say is not silly but spot on in my opinion....Josie is playing him and he is playing her......It will all end in fake tears .......

lal,

lal,

I think Dave is the worst culprit for airtime..cheesebut he even lay infront of Jedward with his legs in the air lastnight looking a prize tool then followed them everywhere knowing he'd get max airtime....

Crocodile dundee tears 

Dave too

I agree with this Soozy.  
Although I'm not a fan of John James I think he has genuine feelings for her.  I've just watched him walk into the living room and hug her for no apparent reason.
He also had a feel of her bum.  
Some will say he knew the cameras were on him but it was too spontaneous in my opinion.

I agree Tates.    I think its for real...  

I usually hate the romances in the house, when I think of Luke n Bex, Channelle & Ziggy, Maxwell & Saski,  and how seedy they were... 

this is nothing like that.   Thank god.

Luke n Bex & the cringefest that went on there in the bedroom.    Channelle & Ziggy & the dry humping episode.

I think this is a bit "ahhhhh"...  whereas all the ones I just mentioned were definitely yeuw!

I think he genuinely cares about her - I'm just not sure he sees her in a sexual way.  I think he might be kidding himself, but nothing about the way he touches her says he wants to bonk her brains out or even snog the face off her to me.   Not a glimmer of it.   Like I say though - I think they do have a very caring friendship.

I know what you mean Kaffy...    and its one of the things I liked watching about him.. trying to work him out.

That side of things seems to be improving though...   he's more intuitive than your average bloke in some ways.   If I was in the loo having a sob, and MrDitty asked what I was doing (which he probably wouldn't)... if I said "going to the toilet"...  he would have assumed that is what I was doing!

I can't help it..  I sit there watching it at the moment... and I am "ahhhhing" out loud!

Yeah, me too - I think I'd like it to be real - not that i'm saying he's faking anything, just that he might not be quite sure what he feels.   I actually wouldn't be surprised to find out he was a virgin tbh - cetainly don't think he's experienced in that department.   I agree he's intuitive though.

yeah.... I'd go along with that.    Though, for a bloke that seemed to be seriously wary of relationships/commitment....  to then get together with a girl that was already a friend.

That's scary at the best of times!    There's no putting on a front when its like that.

I've said that! It wouldn't surprise me either!

^ fives Ditty!     As I typed he was talking about how many girls he's slept with...  hmmm..  ok, JJ

By the way when the camera's caught him looking at him..he was actually checking what they looked like together in the mirror..it was the mirror camera after all and I know I've done that....

I think that anyone who wants to believe in any sort of real relationship between JJ and Josie or anyone else wants to stay well away from any research about the guy.  When I heard that he tapes all telephone conversations (including from his mother ) so he can play them back and prove other people wrong.  Well words fail me.  The guy is going to win the show, he has enough pre-pubescent fans to see to that, but he is fake fake fake.

Does that include you, or is it just everyone else that doesn't agree with you.

He does what????

Oh lord, remember another who hit the headlines not so long ago who did that exact same thing.

Morning all  I'm not sure what's going on with JJ1 and Josie (and I'm quite far away from caring) but a few days ago when he was in the DR on the HL show telling BB that he'd never been happier, he didn't look very happy at all.
They just look stuck with each other.

I've been thinking the same for ages.
A couple of days ago, Josie tried to give him a kiss on the mouth and he was squirming and wriggling to get away from her.

I thought it was for real, but now I am not so sure.  I think he is asexual but of course could be completely wrong and probably am.  It may be that he is holding back until they leave the house.  According to Josie though, they have been kissing properly for a while under the duvet

He 's not going to let it go too far in the house.....Mum's watching

and I guess theres part of both of them that wonders if its real and might fall apart when they get back to rl

That duvet needs a boil wash!

I think the whole house does  

Sam showed how filthy his socks were after walking on the floor

When she demonstrated how they kissed she puckered up and went mmmmmmm, you know how you would kiss a child.  Also on LF yesterday he was talking with the new JJ about how they never wash their jeans