Good God, they were children for crying out loud. Terrible, terrible crime but they were little more than babies themselves....  and we don't know yet what his breach was.

I know, his Doctors reckon he's almost cured, apparently it was 'the voices in his head' telling him to rid the Streets of these Women??? WTF!!!! I wonder if they'd say that if they knew their Wives, kids & family had a chance of coming into contact with him? No, because they know that if he does get out, he'll be living amongst familes with children who are unaware he is there, not in suburbia near them and theirs.

Thing is, this is going to cost the Taxpayer hundreds of thousands for his Human Rights...I am of the belief that you forfeit your Human Rights when you take a life and commit heinous crimes like he did....evil bastard.

I also read that Brady is still on hunger strike (10 years) and is kicking up a huge fuss over toothpaste, he is having his Human Rights breached !!!! They are all monsters  I for one will rejoice when they breathe their last breaths...

Now that's an interesting case.  Not a popular view, I'm sure, but if Sutcliffe was correctly diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic then he's mentally ill and therefore not really culpable for his actions.  I'd be surprised, and a bit horrified, if he were released.  What's the point after all this time.  Surely, after spending his time in Broadmoor, he's institutionalised by now?  It'd be almost cruel to release him, I'd say.

I certainly wasn't capable of that when i was a child, so IMO, yes, they are evil through and through....

Should we have hanged Venables and Thompson back in 1993, aged 10, on the basis that they were evil too in your view and lost their human rights?

Daniel I never said I was in favour of bringing back hanging. I just think their sentence shoud've been longer....

Do you think people are born evil, 'devil spawn' DID?

TBH super, I don't know. I think some are products of bad up-bringing, and yes, maybe some are born and 'tick' differently than the rest of us. I just find wanting to knowingly hurt another person so much incomprehensible....

I suspect that they were fecked up beyond repair to do what did back then and probably fecked up beyond repair having done what they did.  Not evil in any spiritual sense, just socially damaged perhaps on top of a natural propensity.  But if we don't recognise basic human rights simply for being human then we might as well have hanged them back then.

We'll agree on that then, but probably not the rest!

No-one is 'beyond repair' imo, especially when they are still little more than babes themselves...That's me done on here!

I guess so Daniel, it's sad all round, but alot of kids who come from 'damaged childhoods' go on to be wonderful people in caring professions as they have experienced things 1st hand...i just wonder why others go down the destructive path?

...and yes, you are right about basic Human Rights, and eye for an eye is wrong, however, it does sometime seem that the people who commit crimes get more help and understanding than the actual victims and their families do... saying that, Thompson and Venables must've caused a great deal of pain not just to James Bulgers family, but also to their own.

Oh, I think these two were/are

I'm intrigued now about his parole breach.  It'd be ironic if he was caught watching Strictly without a TV licence or something trivial like that after all this fuss and outrage. 

Haha! Daniel

I'll just say that I know at 10yrs old I knew what they did was wrong and I know my son at 10 knew it was wrong too! So to say they were "just children" doesn't really cut it IMO.....

It is possible Daniel, he could've stepped one foot over the boundary of Merseyside and been caught as that I believe was one of the conditions of his parole, along with the two of them never being allowed to contact each other again...who knows...

Perhaps it's based on the morals in Luke 15:11-32? 

Blimey Deej, i just had to google that....maybe..

I never really understood the Parable of the Lost Son myself. 

Justice has to be seen to be done but ideally we don't want people to be reoffending and as they're already off the rails if they're in prison then it makes sense to invest in putting them back on track if they're to be released.  In my opinion, the disruption caused by offences/re-offences outweighs the benefits of compensating those offended against and so we should spend more effort dealing with those.  That's not to say victims shouldn't be looked after or compensated, of course.

parable, now that's a word i've not heard since I was at School

I agree that we don't know what the breach was, and from what I've heard it could have been any comparatively minor offence.  BUT I can't possibly disagree that they were little more than babies when they murdered James Bulger.  Unless they have quite severe special educational needs, all 10 year olds are fully aware of the basic principles of what is right and what is wrong.  I don't accept that their age can be any defence for brutal torture and planned, cold hearted murder of a completely helpless toddler.

I'm the same age as Venables... I remember watching the news report and being completely horrified by what they had done.

I would be totally amazed (and unbelieving) if the Home Office (Or Ministry of Love or whatever the hell it's calling itself nowdays) actually confessed that he'd been picked up for a violent offence against another person.
Considering how much condemnation there was when these two were originally released, how much more outrage will there be if one of them has been found to have injured, maimed or killed another person.

By the same token, I cannot in all honesty see the Home Office risking the new identities of these killers by jailing one of them for something trivial.

My own feeling, based on nothing more than my own feeling I confress, is that the crime is probably a quite shocking violent one

Well I can't see it being the no contact one as I don't think they'd have been given each others new names when they were released....

Adults have commited worse crimes than this,but somehow the mob bay for blood when the perpitrators are themselves children.Surely adults should know better than kids etc.Awaits outrage...

What they did to James is unthinkable and if an adult would have done the same they would'nt have got just 8 years....

from what i've read and seen on tv, this scumbag has committed more than a minor offence to be taken back to prison.

It goes to show that the rehabilitation of this creature has not worked and he should never have been released in the first place and should never be allowed out of prison again. In which case, what is the problem in telling the public exactly what he has done? It has to be serious, otherwise he would not be back in jail and at risk of having his new identity being leaked and the many hundreds of thousands of pounds wasted on the failure to rehabilitate him and protect him up until now.

I think the reason they cannot say why he has been recalled, is because there will be a court case and they can't prejudice its outcome.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2...ller-venables-prison

Johnson said more details would be released. "At this juncture I can say nothing more than confirm that Jon Venables is back in custody," he told Sky News.

"I believe the public do have a right to know and I believe they will know all the facts in due course. But I must in no way prejudice the future criminal justice proceedings," he added.

The human race is the most damaged and destructive animal on Earth.I read a piece over thirty years ago(can't remember the exact format),that collectively we are insane,we have evolved too quickly and can't cope with it.We actively destroy ourselves and our environments.Pity is we take other species with us.
We really don't deserve this planet.To think we have species alive that have been here for hundreds of millions of years(crocodillians etc),we are a blip on the horizon,time we were swatted out of existance.

I've seen some horrific film of various despicable crimes carried out in the twentieth century, from the Nazi attrocities, Vietnam, Cambodia, Uganda, audio tapes of the Brady and Hindley murders, Saddam Hussein's mass murders, Sierra Leone, neighbours hacking people to death, Ruanda.

Is it because they were children, that we find it more horrifying?

Blizzie that was the point that I was  trying to make(clumsily)..almost as if , well we sort of expect it from adults,but in children ! then the bloodlust for revenge is unleashed.As if children should be pure and unblemished etc.Maybe that is what we wish for etc.
I always remember years ago when my niece was about seven,she (unwisely, without my knowledge) brought home several toads to live in her little plastic garden pool,she did feed them worms etc.However one local kid got wind of this,and  tortured them with hot water and they died.Now said kid must have have had access to  hot water at his age! (Parents )I was feckin' raging ,however ,my niece a few weeks later  after this event spied the said culprit,jumped the fence and kicked his balls in.

Go her!

I brought her up well...

i was alays on the side of' they ere children and therefore rehabilitation was more possible than with  an adult' side, but was listening to  a respected and ell qualified psychologist last night, he said both at the age of 8 displayed the classic signs of psychopathy, and enjoyed  being sadistic,in his meetings ith them he concluded that veneballs stood a better chance of being rehabilitated than thompson,his reason as that children who endured the  upbringing thompson had ould normally run away from it or find away out,thompson as far as he could see,remained a sadist and enjoyed the chaotic lifestyle.

seems odd to me both these boys were released on licence at the same age, surely they would have had different outcomes to the rehabilitation process.

This article says it's due to an act of violence against a colleague
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...workplace-brawl.html

Thankyou Liverbird thats a very interesting article....

It certainly is..thanks liverbird