Perhaps when people hear that it's life-threatening then they think it's threatening their lives instead! 

I have a feminist approach to explaining how and why the sans culottes were mobilised too, if that helps. 

*refers the Honourable Member to the post I made earlier re Marge Piercy*

Oops, sorry.  That's what happens when you're unenlightened.  And uninformed. 

I've just read the synopsis of that book on Amazon.  I like the sound of it! 

Must be like when a short answer is required but someone drags out pye charts and a load of statistics of interweb and bores the living shit out of you....

Well I totally love Marge Piercy so I'm biased. I am interested in the French Revolution but find that I absorb facts/people etc better when they are set within fiction.

The Glass Blowers by Daphne Du Maurier is another good book set around Revolutionary France.

We have so much in common. I prefer meat when set in vegetarian dishes  

Top tip: To avoid boredom, don't read forum posts if you're not involved and uninterested.

Hope this helps.

Next week's top tip: How to avoid really trivial virus scams.

Meh  ya bugger

Sorry!

I was trying to think of a funny reply but I have a virus that's turned my head to mush.
Vegeatarian mush naturally

Oh my bad I thought this was a forum where everyone was involved..

Aww you don't have to read everything on the forum, you know.  Bless.  If something's boring the living shit out of you then, well, you've read too much already and probably ought to stop reading any more.

I feel all nostalgic now for the old forum and it's Ignore button debates. 

Could you get any further up your own backside?

Oh yes, definitely.

Curse you Dan, now I'm stuck with disturbing images!!

Indeed! Begone!

How rooode! 

I think your getting a bit paranoid there Dan..who said my refrence was to you or about me? and when was this YOUR forum to tell people what they can and cannot read?....

We all voted.

I've been trying to find a copy to order.  Might have to be eBay!

I must have missed the memo....

I spoilt my ballot paper!

I still got the complementary eye shield though

Sublime?  Ridiculous?  Or in transition?  *strokes chin thoughtfully*

Loads here Dan

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/off...3&condition=used

Blimey, I've never bought a used item through Amazon. 

This could be the opening of a whole new world for me!

**Pushes Veggie firmly out of the way and hands Danjay a copy of The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte**  

Too late!

Anyway, I'll suffer from internal dialectical contradictions if I buy that and I already walk a bit funny.

I've bought quite a few and never had a problem. The trick when the books are only a few pence is to not order online until you have spoken to the seller (if it's a bookshop and they give you the number) and then order a few and get them to just charge you one lot of p&p.
Otherwise it bumps the cost up by 3 or 4 quid per book.
*puts Joe's book under the wonky leg of the coffee table*

Back to Venables ...

The Times has published an extract of his assessment prior to release:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article7056013.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1

That makes very interesting reading, it seems, as I first thought, that both Niel and Sue venables supported their son through his times in the detention centre. That must have been hard for them considering the enormity of the crime.

only what i expected to read really,
dear mr so and so,
the cnut has been a real role model for the other cnuts in here, i recommend we let the cnut out now, there's no problems for the public might well be really but i can't be arsed any more, i'd even let the cnut mind my own kids would i feck  when i'm out on the pish.

sorry but that made me laugh

On a different note the sentence I found quite revealing was the point about his move to a young offenders institution "It would make rehabilitation very much more difficult.it would introduce an inappropriate element of punishment in adult life for a crime comitted  nearly half a lifetime ago"...............No wonder Denise Fergus and Ralph Bulger feel they never got the justice they deserved

But he was/is their son and was only ten years old at the time he committed the crime. IMHO ............i think they have to look to themselves as to how their child grew up to commit such an horrendous crime ...............I don't know an awful lot about their relationship but ................OMG - if a child of mine had done something like that aged 10 I'd be looking at myself .....................and no matter how horrific the crime - I'd have stuck by my child (not defending his actions) but trying desperately hard to see a way through the whole horrible ordeal.

Let's hope the scumbag gets caught speeding around in a vehicle that isn't taxed, with a mobile phone stuck to his ear, then, according to some he will deserve to have the book thrown at him.     How anyone can trivialise the horrific death that child suffered, at the hands of these two  morons, is beyond belief.  Let's hope the supercilious amongst you never lose a child eh?  What could and should have been a reasoned debate, has taken a wrong turn somewhere!

There have been many cases where the parents are totally horrified by the crimes that their offspring do.Upbringing etc ,that some folk bang on about,does not always equate .I'd be interested to know the crime ratio for good/bad upringing of offenders etc.

Some of the worst serial killers/ offenders have been very middle class....

Harold Shipman etc...but he only bumped off dozens of old folk,so "we" are not so outraged by that.