Four days with an hour for lunch?

Community service, thats another joke.

Miss it 3 times and you get a warning, miss it again and you get sent back to court and given a warning.

It's also proven not to work as a detterent. It's also the case  that the community service officers will take off an extra hour here and there if they themselves are bored with clearing paths on the day.


Yes lets wrap these young hoodlums up in cotton wool shall we, let them make a mockery of the judicary system time and time again.

Only a six hour day? Why not a 5 week, 8 hrs a day for a month? Come on, let`s get the most out of these litter droppers

Must be a lot of nervous 27 year old scousers out there!
Lack of knowledge/truth  in thick minds..dangerous.

You have us at a disadvantage.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/soci...er-reoffending-rates
This article mentioned earlier is quite interesting.

Non! 4 X 7 = 28 with an invalid lunch break of 1 hour.

OK, he has been to prison, for fraud, and he is 27 and male.
Leaving aside that he's not actually in prison, as most people agree Venables is, but probably in hiding, in fear for his life, it's an easy mistake to make!

Ok! 7 is still a random number..my point in the first place

Maybe it`s 14 days at 2 hours a day..no teabreaks

I beg to differ, 7 is no more random than any other single digit.

I'm not sure I follow why I have you at a disadvantage..I read that article, all it says to me is prison doesn't work, just like I said before.


Now I'm telling you community service doesn't work either, So all that leaves is hanging, that seems to work. Stops the reoffending anyway.

A Prison Service spokesman said: "Prison is not always the right answer for less serious offenders. In some of these cases, a tough community sentence can be more effective than a short prison sentence — more effective in terms of rehabilitating offenders, turning them away from crime and therefore giving greater protection to the public."

A prison service spokeperson WOULD say that though when the prisons are as bad as they are.




COMMUNITY SERVICE IS A JOKE TO OFFENDERS.



Much like the warning of prison to benifit thieves is, YOU CAN GO TO PRISON the advert boldly warns, well you can if the monetory value is in the high thousands, but if it's below that you will get community service to idle away your days, or if it's below say five hundred and your first offence, you wont even be taken to court.

Marcus...you have to look at the punishment in reference to the crime.


Take M for example....a prison sentence would have been much easier for him, there'd be no IDAP, no drink or drugs therapy and rehab, no living under the shadow of probation for two years....he'd have been out now... living exactly as he pleased... without anyone telling him just how wrong he was or trying to make him into a better person, his days would be his own, and the chance of him doing it again I think would have been alot higher.  With this probation shadow hanging over him he HAS to do as he has been told by the court, and for a longer period of time than the sentence he would have got had he been sent down.


Its never simple...it depends on the offence, the history, the perpetrator etc...

Ok   I like 5 but it doesn`t equate

PROBATION...Weekly meetings with an uppity lefty fart, who discusses your crime with you, after a month it turns into monthly meetings, each meeting lasts for about 45 minutes. Keep your nose clean while you do it and hey presto bobs your uncle you are free to go.



ALCOHOL AND DOMESTIC ABUSE CDOUNCILLING AS PART OF YOUR PROBATION..weekly meetings that turn into monthly meetings for about 1 hour per session where some cheese sandwich tells you the harm alcohol and domestic abuse does to you and the people around you.


PRISON..The threat of assault, buggery, loneliness, dispair, unable to find work.mocked, disowned by friends and family, frowned upon in the community,lose house.



Yeah I bet M was fair pissed off with that outcome.

Thanks, I'll stick to my OU notes.

Exactly what assumptions was I making anyway?  All I was doing was attaching an image for effect. Try again, luv, if you're up for it.

Its not that black and white and you know it



Given the choice I know for a fact he would rather have gone to prison for assault than have his next two years spoken for.


My point is a community sentence in whatever form is not always the soft option...and you really do have to take the crime into account.  Every petty thief etc and every misdemeanour cannot practically be sent to prison, there just arent the resources, and to be fair not everyone deserves a custodial sentence.


Im no lefty twat either, you know that   I just wonder what your alternative to community service would be?

I think Marcus likes his crims 'well hung', from what I've read.

I'll stick to my double first and masters then...fair enough!
If you want to read exactly who the Sans Culottes were.....they weren't the mob you implied....OK Luv

Boot camp for people under 21 and a finger or two for people over that age.remembering that very few first time offenders get community service.







I forgot


COMMUNITY SERVICE..picked up at 8am, two hours driving about with 6 fellow offendors in a nice comfy white van while you pick up and drop off tools and go to and from the place of work, to then, when you get there, take shots at hammering in nails, or using a strimmer while the others await their turn, unless you're really unlucky and maybe have to walk about 600 yards in total with a full wheelbarrow.Dropped off at anything between 3 and 4.

Marcus....do not make me mention my RSA Distinction in typing to you

Do you lot mind. I`m trying to do long division here!

You know where you can stick that kind of response, oops ! I better watch I don't get labelled as THICK.

That you inferred.
So, who were the sans culottes?  In words not taken from wikipedia.  Let's see what I might have been alluding to in my image.

daniel, what is it you do for a living ?  If it's not to rude to ask.

Marcus, that's not correct, many, many people who are abused as children do not go on to abuse themselves/ become violent towards others. Whilst we know that of those who do abuse most have been abused themselves or lived in a domestic violence environment, that certainly does not mean that all those who were abused are likely to do so themselves

yes, I noticed my error when I posted it and read it later on..My error.

I thought you were!

I don't need Wikipedia.....The Sans Culottes were the artisan class....the tradesmen, so weren't the bourgeoisie because in the 18th that  was the professional and upper military class. Some of them were wealthy people, who  had quite a lot of employees. A prime example is that of Robespierre's landlord(father of his fiance)...who was a carpenter by trade and a maker of furniture for the wealthy.....he had  employees and was a Sans Culotte by class......his home and business were in St Antoine...these days he would be firmly in the middle class. That do you?

The French revolution isn't part of my expertise but ..................doesn't 'sans Culottes' mean 'without knickers'? How does that fit? I'm honestly interested in the answer ..........really - I am ......intrigueing.

I don't want to encourage Kaytee to get her Shewee out again but apparently you need to get a copy of Schama's book to be enlightened.  Well, enlightened in Schama's particular ideas anyway    Alternatively, just think of the caricature character or motif of Madame Defarge from A Tale of Two Cities for a more relevant and simple picture.

Since you ask, I'm thinking really of those without political power or a voice in the way things work, stirred up by cleverer and more radical people to recognise the alleged injustice in the way things are and become violent about it after the anger has been simmering and stoked for a while.  The initial hot-blooded anger then becomes very cold-blooded, excessively harsh, and devoid of all compassion and mitigation when it gets power. The rule of law is subverted and lost for a while before people come to their senses.  The sans culottes here are the caricatured tabloid readers and the Jacobins are the tabloid editors, columnists, and bandwagon politicians.

It's just a historical metaphor, not to be taken too seriously.  Years ago on usenet, I rather rashly used the phrase "You can lead a horse to water ..." in the presence of a woman who fancied herself as a horse expert and suddenly wanted to showcase it.  Lordy, the amount of rosettes and equine theories I had to endure there.  "Really, it's just an idiom" just wouldn't cut it.

Having put the French Revolution to bed by accepting a Marxist burgerlich interpretation, rather than a revisionist mess knocked up by some bloke off the tellybox,  we can now move on.
I'm particularly interested in the hang 'em and flog 'em brigade. Do we believe that we can cherry-pick items from backward cultures and then just carry on as normal? Or should we look to more civilised societies than our own?

Soozy, they wore pantaloons (long trousers), instead of culottes (knee length jobbies).

You said "Jobbies!" snickers..that means shite in Glasgow.

A knee length one would be quite impressive, then!

Back to the subject (ish), I just caught the end of an interview on This Morning, of a woman who had some connection with Peter Chapman (the Facebook killer).


She is being spat on in the streets, by people who think her 5 week old son is his child.
In reality, she could have become one of his victims.

The Mob is out of control.

Pathetic Blizzie, the mindless mob at work again.

*chucks Marge Piercy's 'City of Darkness, City of Light' into the boudoir*

Aww, now they have a couple on, who have a child with a very rare, life-threatening, skin condition.

They also receive abuse from strangers in the street!