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Originally Posted by Jenstar:

I feel a little sorry for DLT if I'm honest. His job and whole life are nearly ruined, ok what he is accused of is wrong but he shouldn't be lumped in with Savile/Operation Yew tree... does this mean every sexual harassment/assault reported now connected with the 70's is also going to be part of yew tree? Or is he being made a kind of scape goat to appease the public who are waiting to see heads roll?

 

I really hope the police have other people on their radar and are just managing to keep quiet at the moment.

I think any accusation of sexual assault should be investigated. Remember that he was 32 at the time that he is alleged to have stuck his hand up a 17 year old's knickers, without her consent, and even older, when he is alleged to have 'jiggled' a woman's breasts, also without her consent.

 

I have no problem with these assaults on women/girls/boys all being linked, as the reason that they are now being reported is all tied up to victims feeling that they can now tell their side of the story and actually get someone to listen to them. The police have made it clear that they are separating them into three different categories and I haven't seen anyone accusing DLT of paedophilia.

Blizz'ard
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by Jenstar:

I feel a little sorry for DLT if I'm honest. His job and whole life are nearly ruined, ok what he is accused of is wrong but he shouldn't be lumped in with Savile/Operation Yew tree... does this mean every sexual harassment/assault reported now connected with the 70's is also going to be part of yew tree? Or is he being made a kind of scape goat to appease the public who are waiting to see heads roll?

 

I really hope the police have other people on their radar and are just managing to keep quiet at the moment.

I think any accusation of sexual assault should be investigated. Remember that he was 32 at the time that he is alleged to have stuck his hand up a 17 year old's knickers, without her consent, and even older, when he is alleged to have 'jiggled' a woman's breasts, also without her consent.

 

I have no problem with these assaults on women/girls/boys all being linked, as the reason that they are now being reported is all tied up to victims feeling that they can now tell their side of the story and actually get someone to listen to them. The police have made it clear that they are separating them into three different categories and I haven't seen anyone accusing DLT of paedophilia.

I agree Blizzie, I am tired of hearing the story 'well times were different then' no excuse IMO

squiggle
Originally Posted by squiggle:
 

I agree Blizzie, I am tired of hearing the story 'well times were different then' no excuse IMO

Yes, indeed, especially when a complete denial is accompanied with such protestations that times were different. What is he trying to say, "I didn't do that sort of thing, but it was totally acceptable back then"? 

Blizz'ard
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by squiggle:
 

I agree Blizzie, I am tired of hearing the story 'well times were different then' no excuse IMO

Yes, indeed, especially when a complete denial is accompanied with such protestations that times were different. What is he trying to say, "I didn't do that sort of thing, but it was totally acceptable back then"? 


I don't think he has denied anything, has he? I saw him talking at his gate and waited for the denial. If he did, I missed it.

 

I was manhandled for a long time and shouted, slapped and went to the police once only to be told to get a grip. Times were different then. My mother was horrified at me wearing a mini skirt, convinced I'd be raped and murdered within days. I always thought that it was one of my feminist missions to make men

understand they can't just help themselves to women, however tentatively.

cologne 1
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
 

I don't think he has denied anything, has he? I saw him talking at his gate and waited for the denial. If he did, I missed it.

 

I was manhandled for a long time and shouted, slapped and went to the police once only to be told to get a grip. Times were different then. My mother was horrified at me wearing a mini skirt, convinced I'd be raped and murdered within days. I always thought that it was one of my feminist missions to make men

understand they can't just help themselves to women, however tentatively.

Travis, who hosted the Radio 1 Breakfast Show from 1978 to 1980, yesterday said in a statement: ‘I categorically deny that there is any substance in either allegation and I’m genuinely surprised that allegations of this nature have been made. I totally refute any impropriety.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...s.html#ixzz2CVBix0PN 

 

Nobody is denying that such behaviour was easier to get away with back then, or that a lot of men, including men in the police, thought that it was perfectly acceptable behaviour, just that it is no excuse and women who suffered such abuse have every right to complain about it, even years later.

 

Blizz'ard
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:
Originally Posted by Supes:

Why does everyone keep using the word paedophile? Even NSPCC and Mark Williams Thomas now, I've not seen anything that  suggests he had a sexual interest in pre-pubescent children 

The first girl on the programme said he molested her when she was 10.

I stand corrected Soozy, didn't realise that

FM
Originally Posted by Senora Reyes:

The saddest thing whilst watching this show, is that he had such a way with people, but chose to harm, manipulate and abuse...Mind you on reflection I could be describing Hitler..Some of the most evil people are overflowing with charm and personable natures...

How anyone thought that he was anything but a dodgy f'er I'll never know Senora

FM
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Senora Reyes:

The saddest thing whilst watching this show, is that he had such a way with people, but chose to harm, manipulate and abuse...Mind you on reflection I could be describing Hitler..Some of the most evil people are overflowing with charm and personable natures...

How anyone thought that he was anything but a dodgy f'er I'll never know Senora

I know Supes, For some unknown reason back when I was child, I couldn't stand him, and I always found him creepy, and that noise he used to make at the back of his throat, creeped me out too..

Senora Reyes
Originally Posted by Senora Reyes:
Originally Posted by Supes:

He was interviewed in 2009 @ Stoke Mandeville ref historical abuse and police had no obligation to report to them?! So Buckinghamshire police were exempt from national child protection procedures?

Beggers belief doesn't it?

Bloody right, I can kind of understand, (but not condone,) it, when the culture was different, but 2009!!!

FM
Originally Posted by Senora Reyes:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Senora Reyes:

The saddest thing whilst watching this show, is that he had such a way with people, but chose to harm, manipulate and abuse...Mind you on reflection I could be describing Hitler..Some of the most evil people are overflowing with charm and personable natures...

How anyone thought that he was anything but a dodgy f'er I'll never know Senora

I know Supes, For some unknown reason back when I was child, I couldn't stand him, and I always found him creepy, and that noise he used to make at the back of his throat, creeped me out too..

Everything about him always creeped me out Senora, but then I wasn't a vulnerable child or under his spell

FM
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Senora Reyes:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Senora Reyes:

The saddest thing whilst watching this show, is that he had such a way with people, but chose to harm, manipulate and abuse...Mind you on reflection I could be describing Hitler..Some of the most evil people are overflowing with charm and personable natures...

How anyone thought that he was anything but a dodgy f'er I'll never know Senora

I know Supes, For some unknown reason back when I was child, I couldn't stand him, and I always found him creepy, and that noise he used to make at the back of his throat, creeped me out too..

Everything about him always creeped me out Senora, but then I wasn't a vulnerable child or under his spell

or a vulnerable adult, the more I watch, the more sickened I feel. if I feel like this imagine his poor victims? Hope he burns in hell.

Senora Reyes
Originally Posted by Senora Reyes:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Senora Reyes:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Senora Reyes:

The saddest thing whilst watching this show, is that he had such a way with people, but chose to harm, manipulate and abuse...Mind you on reflection I could be describing Hitler..Some of the most evil people are overflowing with charm and personable natures...

How anyone thought that he was anything but a dodgy f'er I'll never know Senora

I know Supes, For some unknown reason back when I was child, I couldn't stand him, and I always found him creepy, and that noise he used to make at the back of his throat, creeped me out too..

Everything about him always creeped me out Senora, but then I wasn't a vulnerable child or under his spell

or a vulnerable adult, the more I watch, the more sickened I feel. if I feel like this imagine his poor victims? Hope he burns in hell.

Totally helpless, completely unable to raise their concerns or be heard by those who were supposed to be caring for and looking after them, because he had groomed them so well, (and that's me being v v generous, I want those f'rs done)

FM
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Oh, Mark, your intentions are honourable, (actually, I'm beginning to question that, are you just enjoying your own new found fame and the money you're earning from this: TV programmes; key note speaker at national conferences at x thousand pounds a shot). Will it happen again you ask? Of course it bloody will....this has, for some, hardened the culture of disbelief and minimisation. I fear that your campaign has completely backfired  and without doubt, you're v politically naive

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by ~Cosmopolitan~:
Originally Posted by Supes:

Rantzen on a damage limitation exercise

Too many people unwilling to admit negligence in their job/position.  Far more important to be important regardless of being an utterly crap human being. 

None of these people have humility Cos, none of them can really admit that they got it wrong, just quoting a script that their lawyers have written for them

FM

one thing I don't get is he reported suspicions of an IRA cell in Broadmoor, back then we had to hide our connections with Ireland, you'd lose count how many times you'd have to lie that you'd never been here or knew anyone here, so why did'nt Edwina report this and why did'nt the interviewer pull her up on this, he grilled the man who would'nt have JS on Children in need and tried to make out he'd done something wrong..no he did things right its the others who did things wrong....

stonks
Originally Posted by Supes:

Well, so much for me keeping out of this thread So, before I disappear from it, I will again draw attention to this

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2...-sexual-abuse-review

The themes are much the same, yet Nigel Leat was hardly a 'powerful' national figure

 the report said the concerns were not passed on to school governors or education authorities, and that each incident appeared to be treated in isolation.

 

Why weren't they passed on?

And if they were treated "in isolation" - whatever that means, who dealt with it?

 

If the sacked Headmaster, Chris Hood, was overseeing all of this then I'd like to know if any disciplinary action has been taken apart from sacking him, and also, if he's under investigation as a paedo suspect himself.  Surely to god he can't still be employed in education and/or with young people?

 

WTF is going on in this country? 

Cosmopolitan

I have no idea what checks you have to go through to foster - or how you'd ever know if something was amiss, but this story freaked me out today

 

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A Fife man has pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting young girls.

David Leggatt, 59, admitted raping one girl from the age of 11 and attempting to rape a three-year-old girl between May 2006 and November 2007 in Fife.

Leggatt, from Comrie, pleaded guilty to possessing more than 100,000 indecent photographs and videos of young girls.

Leggatt, who was a foster parent, had no previous convictions. At the High Court in Edinburgh, sentence was deferred for a social inquiry report.

He was remanded in custody.

Lord Bracadale continued the case to the High Court in Glasgow on 19 December and placed Leggatt on the sex offenders register.

The father of one of Leggatt's victims said after the court proceedings: "It has just been an absolute nightmare."

Kaffs

That is worrying Kaffy ......................it must be preferable to have kids living with a 'family' as opposed to a care home (especially in the light of recent revelations) but .................surely foster parents are (or should be) thoroughly checked out?

 

I guess it's not too hard to pull the wool over peoples eyes though. Then you hear about very caring people who could supply a loving and caring home who are refused for being the wrong colour/they smoke/are overweight etc.

 

 

Surely to God the whole system needs an overhaul.

Soozy Woo

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