Col I have no problem with you....its when someone comes into a civil discussion thats been going on for weeks and seems to get a kick out of antagonising others thats what gets my goat up but that has been resolved now..

seriously Stonks??!!!11!!!"onety!!!blahblah... 

how bluddy dare you accuse me of causing trouble in this thread. I have joined in the discussion in various places in here since it started more or less and if what I had/have to say didn't appeal to you then by all means ignore my huge waffly posts.. but don't have a go at me for joining in a discussion when, as a member of this forum, I am perfectly entitled to do. . but do be aware if you attack me I will defend my corner, as I am allowed to do..

If you fork out for a VIP badge you can actually block me so you don't ever have to read my stuff ever ever again.. or report me if you think I am a trouble maker

there's a lot of overreacting and emotions going on in here. .time to settle down and look at things in a logical and less emotional manner I think . .this whole JS and others thing is dreadful but you can't hang draw and quarter people without knowing all the facts.. .and that is for the Police to find out, not amateurs..

Blah blah blah....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...ml?ito=feeds-newsxml

Group  please everyone?

I enjoy reading Olly's posts... huge or not 

We shouldn't be arguing and falling out over this.

*hands out cookies to keep everyone's gobs shut momentarily*

I agree.

Yes please.

Just back OT briefly, radio5live are discussing the senior tory politician involved in child abuse and the voices asking for an investigation are getting louder. Apparantly he has been named on twitter tonight. I think if they want a conviction it's a bit previous to name someone. Jonathan Dimbleby  is shouting foul already about the bbc being made a flogged horse, before long, this whole thing will turn back and become muddied.

That gave me a 'bloody norah' moment too 

I'm having trouble keeping up with all of these revelations, hints and claims.

This has been doing the rounds on Twitter, Cologne.

Am just about to read it myself.

http://blog.scrapperduncan.com...nd-michael-portillo/

cosi I don't know if you watch 'This Week' on Thursdays after QT. One of those named has been a regular every week for years. They brought the subject up last week or the week before and he talked about it with disgust and 'find the culprit' and I sat there thinking - are you quaking in your boots or are you innocent (gay, but awkward about it).

I thought the same.

I've been meaning to comment on this over the weekend, but haven't been able to do anything until now. A couple of unrelated points:

Firstly - and rather bizarrely - I've been discussing "The Year of the Sex Olympics" over the last week on another forum for completely unrelated reasons. In writing it, Nigel Kneale predicted a lot of the concepts and controversies behind reality TV, including BB.

Secondly - and more seriously - I doubt I'm the only one annoyed at the way this story (and others) are being presented in the press.

Now I'm not seeking to defend Rossiter if the accusations are true, but he's not one of the three alleged rapists. So why is he the only person named by the Sun? Is it because he’s the only one involved who’s famous? Or is it because he’s the only one who’s dead and therefore unable to sue?

Whichever it is, I find the implications rather worrying…

I don't know what to make of it.  I know the rumours of him being gay have been rife over the years and frankly, who gives a toss about someone's sexuality.

It seems to be used as a thinly veiled weapon across the political parties though (which tells you enough about the ridiculousness of those in the House of Commons, in my humble...).  It also bothers me that it's looking more and more like a 'Tory Bashing' opportunity with every passing day.

I'm not interested in Tory vs Labour vs Lib Dem; it's more important than party politcal oneupmanship.

What's that saying about a lie going half way across the world before the truth has got out of bed...?  I worry that rumours, scaremongering, points scoring etc., will distract from getting to the bottom of this revolting paedo scandal.

http://cowanandthestupiddream....r-this-is-your-life/

Bruno was very  spooked when Starr came on.Then Savile dropping his trousers and another black and decker joke.Unbelievable...Bruno has his demons and I wonder why.

Father figure

I often wondered why Bruno was in that photo with JS and the Yorkshire Ripper, I wondered how he was friends with JS but looking at it now it seems JS, Freddie Starr and Bruno were like the 3 Amigo's of a very unlikely trio..its very strange....

Martin Rowson on the Jimmy Savile scandal - cartoon

• Martin Rowson
• The Guardian,          Sunday 14 October 2012 18.23 BST

© Martin Rowson 2012

 . Jonathan Dimbleby  is shouting foul already about the bbc being made a flogged horse, before long, this whole thing will turn back and become muddied.

I heard the whole piece and thought that he summed it up rather well.

However there is a great deal of obfuscation going on.

As a loyal Private Eye reader I've been following this subject for years. I think when we first heard the Savile business was going to raise it's head we all assumed that we would get answers to the NI, Wales, and Jersey questions, with a bit of the older "politico meets criminal"  business thrown in. That's all we wanted.

People like Icke and his useful idiot supporters are muddying the water and cheapening the subject.

Joe I was just listening to that, and it was harrowing.  Terrible. 

I can imagine, it was very difficult to listen to, so can't even imagine what it must be like living with it.  

who was on it Joe?..

It is now available to listen to, for anyone brave enough - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01nh8qj

I think it starts at about 1 hour 10 minutes.

Listening

thanks Blizz..

Sometimes a photo speaks volumes (stolen from twitter).

Jen it was just awful listening.  I was sat in the office having to hold it together. Horrible horrible horrible.

I've just listened to that

Absolutely heartbreaking ...............those poor, poor boys made even worse in the fact that they've not been listened to and justice has never been done.

I'm shell shocked TBH - I look at my ten year old grandson - Billy (the guy on the phone was 10 when it started) - how could people stand by and let this happen?

Heartbreaking...........................b***stards

I have e mailed my MP and Tom Watson - I just feel it mustn't go away until these childrens (now adults) voices are heard.

That poor man who explained what happened to him after he'd locked his door, you could really hear the pain in his voice

Another thing that got me Soozy was the fact that guy  took photos to the police and out him in the cells for breaking and entering to obtain them! tbh i don't think this will go away now.

I do find it horrible how the BBC have taken calls from people who were abused by children in care homes and really listened to them and offered support after the on air call but none from those 'supposedly' abused at the hands of BBC staff....

And this is the BBC's main failing Jen. On the surface being all understanding and transparent, but ultimately burying stories and making this in to much more of an issue against them as apposed to to the root cause and systemic failings of institutions nationwide. 

I don't know how true it is (it's coming from the Mirror newspaper so think what you will) but Jimmy Saville according to one of the cops at the time had him as a suspect 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/u...per-suspect-1420344#

Found this while reading that Pengy http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/u...-vivian-dies-1421340

Poor bloke is another victim of Savile imo

Do you know that's really funny but I have seen somewhere about Peter S being a fall guy for the real Ripper for whatever reason.  

I remember one of the Yorkshire Rippers victims being found outside JS's house....

As a little aside.  Has anyone ever read the book written by the son of the Rippers first victim to die?  Richard McCann 'Just a Boy'.  It's an amazing but very sad read.