I find this a little unsettling, so he alleges that he goes to the bbc who did nothing but not the police? he is not so traumatised that he can't complain?

My only worry is that we are moving away from js and the paedophilia and becoming a witch hunt for the dead or obvious (gg).  I want to see criminal action taken against the perpatrators and not any bandwagon jumping

How can all this have be happeneing and nothing was exposed.

Not once, from anyone - ever?

The 80's were a time of reporting all sorts of sleaze but not one person ever said a thing!!

By that i mean came into the public domain.

Not convinced.

We'll see.

you've summed up exactly what I'm thinking Machel although to be fair the Police should and must investigate every report no matter how long that takes irrespective of how many complaints they've received. 

*waits for more john leslie allegations*

or was he on ITV

or

doesnt it matter what side he was on?

Blizzie, it sounds like you have already decided he is guilty. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, the man hasn't even been charged with anything yet?

I'm no fan of Freddie Starr but all of this smacks of trial by media.

http://www.onlinepublishingcom...fault/active_id/1809

living ones here..

this woman makes me feel violent towards her....

http://www.irishtimes.com/news...1103/breaking21.html

“If they didn’t tell me about Jimmy Savile, they deserve all they get. They should’ve reported him. They knew if they reported him to me I’d report him to the police. And I have reported people to the police.” 

One said she reported it and was locked in a room for three days...arse covering or what? No wonder no-one went to her, the unsympathetic old cow 

she talked to one of her old employee's this week..getting their stories straight I bet..

I think I feel sick.

I think its deeper and more depraved than any of us could ever imagine and would'nt want too....

So true, and because of that I doubt we will see many  or any brought to justice.

Exactly, they'd just other up a scape goat..

In all honesty, I have to take that one with a big pinch of salt. I cannot for the life of me see Brown or Blair as sex offenders (or some of the others) although some names, while surprising and disappointing me, have some feeling of possibility.

Edit: If all those names turned out to be guilty, I don't know how this country can move on because if we trust nobody, we can't be governed.

I tend to agree cologne.

it is stuff like that which has been getting on my norks about this whole thing. . written by someone who doesn't want to be named and absolutely nothing to back up all the stories, as in I was there or I spoke to loads of people who confirmed this etc.. there may be truth in some of it but the author of the story has done nothing to help, more hinder I think..  the article is very amateurish too which strikes me more of a vendetta type article than a real researched piece of work. .. 

Well .....................it has bothered me too - so much so that I have e mailed my MP (Conservative) - I have asked him to express my support of Tom Watson in his demands for an enquiry. I have also asked him to put questions about two individuals in particular.

Now I know not much is gonna happen re this e mail but I do think if a significant number of like minded people did the same it's a start. What else can we do?

Very telling that Tom Watson talks of 'threats' - a brave man IMO - he deserves the public support.

I did mention 'alleged' and 'her allegation', but I must admit that I found her interview and her allegations compelling. Hopefully the police will find witnesses, who could either confirm her story, or maybe show that she is mistaken. I don't want anyone innocent to be damaged by these stories, but I do want victims to be taken seriously, which is why I found it strange that Olly couldn't understand why he had been arrested.

So just cos someone is'nt very well educated that makes them a liar or someone with a vendetta..this is'nt the only thing out there on the net pointing to these people....

Blizz... I said I couldn't understand why he was arrested by the people looking into the Jimmy Saville paedo allegations not why he was arrested at all..  as soon as the peado investigators arrest him loads jump up and point and say oooooh  he was one too... . it is not right at all and now forever labels him, and anybody else arrested by the paedo investigators as a paedo cos half the people don't bother to read or listen to the reasons...  all this has been done without a court case just a media and or blog trial ..

I also think there really needs to be a separation between the two enquiries. . one for the paedo stuff and one for those who committed adult sexual offences. .  the lines are getting too blurry and some may escape because of that as focus is put on the wrong areas..and to make it clear I am not saying any of the two cases are any less worthy of prosecution just that there needs to be two different enquiry lines, [in case someone thinks I am saying oh that was ok...]

back when a lot of this happened there wasn't anybody like the sleeze that is Max Clifford or the sexual offence stories with adults would have been sold and publicised in the red tops, as they are nowadays.. 

sadly the kids would still have kept schtum as the few that did try to complain and report people got shut down..

We need to find the paedo ring and disband it and prosecute those that are still alive,  and we need to find the enablers and prosecute those of them that are still alive... and we also need to punish those who were general molesters and those who were habitual rapers and molesters and so on.. at the moment everyone is being lumped in together and focus is going as it becomes a full on murky muddle of sex crimes with no focus on charges..

I will say again so there can be no doubt.. I am not belittling one crime for another nor whitewashing over any 'type' of crime  I just want some clarity and am sick of the dodgy articles [where I suspect ulterior motives other than protecting the abused] with no background story or proof and the whole thing being played out in public rather than a court of law..

The End

oh for crying out loud I wasn't saying they were liars I was saying if people are reading stuff like that and taking it as read and forming opinions based  on these sorts of pieces with no back up, that is very wrong in my opinion.. partly cos it gives people with ulterior motives chances to plant seeds about people who may have had nowt to do with any of it and all done on the back of a very serious crime(s) that has/have been committed which is actually getting lost in all of this... don't tell me that sort of thing never happens. .and if they are writing articles anonymously I am not going to put any faith in that as they don't appear to be a victim just a gatherer and repeater of stories already out there with a few embellishments of their own yet won;t put their name to their words....

 Think I need to leave this thread now.. I am getting a tad narked..

I just looked back.. .

I defo need to leave the thread... I am in fully on venty waffle mode

Alls I've done is add to this thread, not once have I defended an alleged paedo and not once have I argued with anyone and I'm not going to start now..you believe what you want to believe and let those who want to believe their stuff let them believe....

fair enough Stonks but if commenting on a post of mine do me a favour and read it properly first.. that's all I ask .. don't accuse me of saying something I didn't say ie calling people liars, when all I am doing in giving my own opinion on an article I read..

ta ta

well said olly, i have tried to say the same  ^^^^^^^ but not as eloquently

^^^^We can agree on that.

My original reply was to your post saying that you didn't know why he'd been arrested. I didn't realise that you meant that the under-age offences should be separated from other sexual offences, as you seemed to be implying that he was probably just a young, silly lad (of 31) who'd been 'caught out' with an under-age girl.

I agree with you that all offenders should be found and prosecuted, and I hope that the police actually do the job properly this time, but if Freddie Starr committed an offence while in the company of Savile, in his dressing room, after appearing on his show, then I have no problem with him being lumped in with 'Savile and others', under the three categories the police have chosen to use for new information coming from alleged victims.

I must admit that the first post of yours, that I answered, did come across as excusing Freddie Starr's alleged crime, in a similar way Liz MacKean said that Peter Rippon tried to kill the Newsnight story by saying "well, it was 40 years ago … the girls were teenagers, not too young … they weren't the worst kind of sexual offences etc."

Sorry if that narks you, but that's how it came across, to me.

Oh I took this->*there may be truth in some of it* as meaning you thought there must be lies but typical you only picked up on the one word....

Well hopefully if you read the rest of my waffly posts where I have tried to elaborate a bit more, tho clearly unsuccessfully,  you'll see that wasn't what I was actually trying to say ...

tho I did mention in one of my waffles that in current times   adults being abused by someone in authority or famous tends to end up on the likes of Max Cliffords desk and in some red tosp before actually ending on the desk of a Police Detective.. not all but a lot... especially if a footballer is involved...  the arrest often comes after the story has been sold...  in that there is a huge difference and also in the fact that younger people feel more able to report abuse nowadays than they did back then, which is really great, when it wasn't a topic even talked about much..

anyway this isn't a competition for who can support the victims the best, which it feels like it is becoming, so I will bow out.. .I am just annoyed at some of these blog/'journo' writers who seem to have appeared out of nowhere all quoting each others stories and adding more of their own and all no doubt doing damage to any potential court cases in the future.....

lets stop the media enquiry and get down to actually charging those involved in the paedophilia or adult sexual offences..

ok if we are going to be pedantic here... my original post on this article was quoting Colognes and agreeing with her assessment that she was taking that article with a pinch of salt. .into which I presume you read we are both saying the author is a liar. .  when in fact I felt [and said this in a round about way ie waffle] that it was lacking in body and evidence and cohesion to be taken seriously as a well researched article, hence taking it with a pinch of salt..  so how come you only accused me of saying it was lies then then?

this is becoming a farce really..

That wasn't my intention, at all. 

I haven't commented on most of the blog allegations, as I have no idea how much of it is true, but I do hope that every single allegation is investigated thoroughly, instead of being covered up/swept under the carpet, as has obviously happened in the past. I can't say that I blame people for outing people who they say abused them, on the internet, considering how the 'establishment' seems to have managed to silence them for so long, allowing further victims to be abused.

Bliz you and I want the same thing. . I also have no problem with victims outing their abusers . .

what I do have a problem with is the bandwagon jumper onners like the so called 'investigative journo's'  some who are annon, as in the latest article which I happened to read (most I ignore)... they were not a victim or they would have said so, they are just regurgitating stuff they probably found on various articles thru googling..

I've read a few other articles but gave up cos I found I was getting a tad narked at the trial by media of possible offenders that is also going on and could ultimately harm any criminal proceedings to come ..  and what I did read wasn't articles by victims it was 'journo' types trying to get their 15 mins of fame no doubt.. ok I may be over exaggerating there but it is becoming a bit of a circus with 'oooh I can come up with an even more unlikely suspect and I have proof cos I googled it' type of thing now ..  again I am over exaggerating but that is what is feels like to me now... the focus of the main points is diluting with all this speculation all over the place..

leonard rossiter .... blimey ..... who ever next

such a huge cover up at the BBC .... why did so many keep shtum ?

and I loved Rigsby too

Twas only you that mentioned my name, this has been a discussion for weeks but it seems you are the only one who wants to come in here arguing..in future I will probably ignore all your huge posts before I lose the will to live....

I agree Olly. If I say I take David Icke's talk with a pinch of salt, I'm not calling him a liar, I just don't think he's right, just as this piece doesn't seem well researched, no evidence etc, so the blogger might be talking about his believes, but they may not be true in fact.

Stonks I think it all just a bit of protactedness (is that a word ).  Group hug please; you too Blizzie.