Sadly at this point, nothing about that man would surprise me.

How and why?

despite the overwhelming evidence he cannot be convicted in a court of law, surely he cannot be sued either as he cannot defend himself. I am very wary of people jumping on the bandwagon and putting in "claims", there are distracting to the fact he has been accused of being a paedophile. If it is possible to take his estate then it should be given to relevant children's charity.

I am not condoning sexual abuse or harrassment in 16+ year olds but think it is more important to address the victims who are/were children

No idea Machel - I just heard it on the radio this morning.. in anticipation of damages claims.     Whilst I have no doubt he's as guilty as sin, I'm also sure that  announcing that on the news is inviting someone to make up a story. 

 

I'm just glad I'm not a lawyer.

Man in his 60's arrested-breaking news!

Freddie Starr according to our news.

I don't think anyone should benefit financially from this unless a perpetrator is still alive and even then they wouldn't normally get compensation. .the only people I can think who could get some money are those who actually reported it to the police and where they took the complaints no further.. they may have a claim against the Police or CPS who turned the case down as not likely to be proven in court.. the evidence since then seems to point to the allegations made while he was still alive having more truth than lies to them..

 

I don't know why Freddie Starr has been arrested unless to check out his side as he wanted to tell it. .I kinda get the feeling with him he was just a stupid young person who played around with women groupies at the height of his fame and got caught out with a underage one rather than chased them young on purpose .. same as a lot of pop groups did and still do and occasionally get caught out as well with a young un... guys under the influence of drink and drugs tend to think they can grope women. .I know I've slapped the odd bottom and breast pincher in my time.. I may be wrong tho. . he doesn't seem to feature in any of the other articles hinting at the 'others' in Savilles peodo group.. I don't like the bloke but somehow can't see him as being just a stoopid young lad at the time going over the top on fame.. not acceptable behaviour but not in the same league as peodo rings..

Tend to agree with all your post there Olly.  Can't stand Freddie Starr and think he comes across like a sleaze, but didn't think he was into kids.

 

then again, I suppose I thought the same about Jimmy Savile

Starr has definitely been involved in what many would consider "kinky" sexual activities - he's admitted this in interviews - but until the Savile scandal broke, I'd never heard suggestions of anything that didn't involve consenting adults.

However, the reports of his arrest refer to "sexual offences", so unless I'm being overly pedantic here, the suggestion is that there's more behind this than the one accusation we already know about...

Yes you may be right Eugene. I know he has practically been begging to talk to the Police, maybe there is more to this.......It certainly is a right old mess

JS's assets were frozen back in July before all this started, they were frozen cos of claims of an illegitimate daughter....

Apparently Newsnight are currently showing tonight's episode to m'learned friends. They may be about to move this subject into the political arena. **rushes off to Ladbrokes**

WOW. Wonder if they'll really get to the bottom of it (pardon the pun) - I have my doubts but little steps and all that.

I'm sure most people know what the score is or think that they know! it's such heavy stuff that goes beyond paedophiles that the authorities probably need to manage the news to avoid a revolution. Or maybe there may be lots of libel and slander material? Who knows?

I'm sure there are a few sitting sweating buckets at the moment. One card out and the whole tower could topple. I'm not confident the BBC will get this through the lawyers - there is good reason that this has never come to light in spite of it being 'commonish knowledge'. 

http://www.standard.co.uk/news...wsnight-8277282.html

Well it appears the Newsnight team have been thwarted. Anyone surprised?

Not really!

 

This 'stoopid young lad' was 31 at the time of his alleged sexual assault on a 14 year old school girl. He'd just been on a TV show aimed at young teenagers and would have been in no doubt that some, or all, of the youngsters on the show were underage. Besides all that, her allegation is that he decided that he did not need her consent, before touching her in a sexual manner, and humiliated her 'horribly' when she rebuffed him. She was just a piece of meat for him to help himself to and, whatever her age, consent didn't come into it.  

I'm not saying it was ok Bliz. .I fended off a lot of gropers in my younger yrs and am sure plenty of the women here have and usually from one guy in a group of others egging them on so they do it to show what a 'man' they are. .

 

I have no doubt he was out of order but I don't get the peodo vibe off him, more the 'I am a bloke and a star to boot and I'll grab this young bit off stuff just cos I can and probably call her a lesbo if she rebuffs me' vibe.. that being the usual response from guys who are told to take their hands off or wonder why they had their face slapped cos all they did was a 'harmless' grope and got short shrift for their efforts..

Most of the offences I've heard about, certainly surrounding Savile and his 'showbizz friends', would not be strictly defined as 'paedophilia'. The police enquiry should not be limited to even under-age sex, but every attack on anyone of any age. You weren't sure why Freddie Starr had been arrested, but a woman has claimed that he assaulted her and whether it was common in those days, or common in those circles, or he was drunk, on drugs, or not sure of her age, it is an arrestable offence and deserves investigation, surely?

I get what you're saying Blizz.. but I think it depends on how you define 'attack'. I'm not talking about Freddie Starr here, but in general, should every guy who has wandering hands be the subject of a police investigation?  Seriously?   Who's going to pay for that... they'd need a squad of police arresting every second bloke coming out of a nightclub.. and some women too.    that said, if it's proved that Freddie was touching up a minor, that's a totally different scenario.

Leonard Rossiter named

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/ho...d-Reggie-Perrin.html

I am getting pissed off that the dead sex offenders are being named and the LIVING are being protected

 

Oh dear...........one of my favs too, just love Rigsby
Who next i wonder.... 

I'm on my phone so cannot quote. But with reference to Freddie Starr the allegations he is being questioned about is rape.

Bliz when I said I wasn't sure why he was arrested I meant as part of the Jimmy Saville child abuse police investigation..  yes he allegedly abused that girl.. I saw the vid of her, she didn't look 14 but do accept he was an older man surrounded by teenagers which can mean anything from 13 - 19 . .

 

still it's no excuse but seems any old dirty groper is getting lumped in with paedophiles. . that is what I am questioning. .  . Freddie Starr himself said he welcomed being questioned... I doubt he welcomes being questioned under the peodo label tho cos he wandered his hands without checking ID first.. ,  I am not being an apologist for him at all I am not liking the fact they are not appearing to separate out the different crimes.. both of which I feel need to be dealt with in different ways cos paedos can't be cured, it is their inbuilt sexual proclivity, the same as there are straight, gay and bisexual, their sexual brains are truly broken... . dirty old gropers can learn a lesson and may be less likely to re-offend, paedos, not so much...  

 

oh I dunno what I am trying to say just that some of this stuff is leaving a nasty taste in my mouth in a' they are doing too much too wrongly a tad too late.. trying to make up for not doing anything before' kinda way. . I dunno :shrugs:

I agree Kaffy...  tho it boils down, to me anyway, to if Freddie Starr  'knowingly' touched up minors then that would be a different scenario as opposed to general, pathetic and unthinking groping .

ah right  .... the woman girl that was, on the JS show that was in the media, talked about inappropriate groping.. .this must be a different one so obviously not a one off then. .

me too - where's these arrests that were due to be made in days over a week ago?

I bet there is an awful lot of crawling back under stones being done.

I found Max Cliffords comments, made recently rather interesting. He said around 13/14 people in the media/music industry etc, had contacted him worried about if they would be mentioned in the press. If you are innocent, why worry? Plus if there was and is paedophilia still going on, surely he has a moral obligation to "out" those involved? 

Well, it is a criminal offence, so anyone who complains about being groped should be taken seriously. Maybe thirty years down the line we'll be discussing how it was 'just part of the culture' in these days and people were just expected to put up with it!

 

Anyway, I'm just hoping that every victim who comes forward has their complaint taken seriously and I'm glad that the police aren't limiting it to attacks on minors. The best thing about this is victims finally feeling that they can come forward, whether they are connected to Savile, or not. I hope this is a watershed moment and we don't ruin it by implying that some of it wasn't that bad. 

I agree Blizz, and understand where you are coming from 

I don't think anybody is doing that are they? I know I was talking about different types of sexual offenders.,  non any greater or lesser than the other but different non the less

 

I hope every victim is listened to and looked after and I really hope there are no bandwagon jumper onners either just cos there may be of a whiff of potential compensation,   those are the ones that make any cause step back yrs.

 

As for being groped the cops do take it seriously. .back in the 80's I was groped on my way home from work while queuing for a coffee at St Pancras Station. .the bloke that did it, not a minor pinch a real sexual feel type grope, just stood there as if he'd done nothing wrong. .I was kinda shocked and started to walk away then thought nah he can't do that and get away with it and as he was still there I asked the people at the coffee stand [pre coffee shops] to call the station police.. they came and arrested him and it went to court but it didn't get far cos he'd skipped the country. .

 

on the other hand there was a bloke used to get the same train as me and my mates of a morning and if he sat next to us we got up and moved cos throughout the journey you'd feel your skirt moving sorta or a weid tickling sensation on the side of your thigh but you could never be sure he was trying anything or you weren't imagining it cos his coat was always over his lap and it was jsut a weird sensation you could place... that one we never reported tho cos of lack of proof.. just made sure our briefcase fell on his head a few times when we took them out of the overhead racks

 

anyway my head is mashed with it all ..maybe I should step out of the discussion, I've not read all the stuff so am not fully informed anyway about the ins and outs of everything 

When this is tolerated in today's society are we surprised people feel unable to speak out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...onate-girls-gay.html

I don't think Max Clifford 'does' morals Skylark.

 

There was an article about the former headmistress of that approved school and got on my nerves, especially the comment she made about girls being pretty bad to be sent to an approved school in the first place

I've been doing far too much googling and reading over the last few weeks - my head is truly 

 

I just hope that this isn't swept under the carpet and the likes of Tom Watson and Michael Willams Thomas keep chipping away at it. It's pretty scary what might (or might not) come out. 

 

In all honesty I think we'll only skim the surface - if the whole lot came out I don't think British society would ever be the same TBH - it'd be life changing.

 

Perhaps I've been reading too much 

latest Tom Watson blog

 

http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/20...-that-shook-my-world

I can only sigh in despair .. plus i know the feeling Soozy..