Carry on reading, then!

Read it all and it just annoyed me...... Maybe I've got it wrong (a 2 year old sitting on my lap singing does that) but that whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth Joe. Parts like this did it.....

 

He once tried to get me to go to his hotel room. But many of the young girls who did go I’m afraid went willingly.’ (in reguards to JS)

 

Does that make it all ok then? because these kids were star struck and in awe, does it really take away from the fact they were too young to fully understand? To me that's like a pop star now a days sleeping with under age fans but saying 'oh it's ok they wanted it too'

 

the last bit got me too.....

 

If the Savile story – and the stories that constitute a hinterland at the BBC – turn out to involve a great conspiracy, it will be a conspiracy that the whole country had a part in.

 

Umm no,

Near enough yes! However, I think we can safely call it Tories 1-0 BBC at this juncture. You would have thought that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, but they have. Various people have dropped hints about Tory misdeeds, and even mentioned names, but no-one has picked up and run with it. The BBC have shown themselves to be spineless and for that alone they probably deserve to go under. Good luck to all those who will make s few bob out of their demise! Hope it was worth it.

ION mrs Jer informs me that I look like Gary Glitter. Urgent makeover required.

That's the thing that's just so wrong about it all Joe, they are all using this whole situation to try and get one over on whoever they are in competition with. Theres a link somewhere in this thread i read the other night. It was a list labour mp's and their connections with pedophilia now while i was shocked reading some of what they get away with i just thought 'oh that's nice, obviously  conservative enthusiast has put this together with the sole intention of tarring the labour party'.... pretty sad really.

That reminds me of my dad calling my Mom a Mira Hindley look alike! She was not impressed lol

That's what I thought too Jen, and it seemed to be saying with a nod and wink 'oh c'mon you knew about it too didn't you?' no I bl***y didn't

Police have been given the names of doctors  who are accused of being in league with Jimmy Savile.

One doctor allegedly ‘collaborated’ with the  BBC star in selecting child patients to rape at Leeds General  Infirmary.

Two others worked alongside him at Stoke  Mandeville, the Buckinghamshire hospital where nurses warned children to ‘pretend to be asleep’ when Savile toured the wards

Yesterday a child-abusing retired Stoke  Mandeville consultant, Dr Michael Salmon, was in hiding after a woman reported  him to police for allegedly groping her in 1982.

The woman, now 42, told the Mail that Dr  Salmon, who displayed a Jim’ll Fix It picture in his office, squeezed her breast  while pretending to check her heartbeat to treat her migraines. She said: ‘I was  only 12 but quite well endowed. I was so shocked.’

 

Eight years later, in 1990, the paediatrician  was jailed for indecently assaulting three other girls, two aged 13 and one of  17.

He served three years in prison and now lives  in retirement with his wife Mary, 70, in a £750,000 cottage in the heart of the  New Forest in Hampshire.

Salmon, 77, was ‘unavailable’ for comment,  said his wife, adding: ‘He is not here. He has gone away.’

A neighbour said Salmon had been keeping a  low profile recently, adding: ‘He has been trying to avoid journalists for the  past couple of weeks.’

Dr Raymond Brown, who worked as a consultant  paediatrician with Salmon, said the doctor would have known Savile because  everyone at Stoke Mandeville knew him.

The hospital has refused to answer a long  list of questions put by the Mail, including whether the £40million Savile  raised for it made him ‘untouchable’.

At Leeds General Infirmary, two former women  patients have come forward to name a doctor. He is accused of ‘brutal  rape’.

The National Association for  People  Abused in Childhood charity said: ‘One of the victims has  said Jimmy  and  this doctor used to collaborate in choosing girls and taking them  somewhere  else to abuse them.’

Leeds General Infirmary said it had ‘not been  passed any information about a  specific allegation or the name of an  individual, so understandably we  cannot say any more about this.’

Stoke Mandeville said it was ‘shocked and  saddened to hear of the very  serious allegations’ and was co-operating with  police inquiries.

A woman told yesterday how  she was  raped by Savile at Stoke Mandeville  while he wore a T-shirt that read: ‘Sex  Instructor, first  lesson free.’

Now 51, the woman said she was a 20-year-old  volunteer at the hospital when Savile lured her into his room and attacked  her.

She said: ‘I counted him as a friend as we  had worked together at the hospital for a long time and I trusted  him.

‘He was very strong and forceful when he  realised I was resisting him. After it happened he told me not to tell anyone  because he said no one would believe me.’

(Daily Mail)

Ere, its all going on over there in Blighty innit?

I haven't seen that one. I'm only sure about two Labour politicians, however I would rather they had caught 'em all while they were still alive, no matter of which political persuasion. It seems trans-political. In addition to Labour, there is the Jeremy Thorpe circle stuff which was hushed up, and the continuing Tory rumours.  I feel sure that in the event of a shoot-out the Tories have most to lose. 

However I remain convinced it's not going to happen. Well paid journalists who don't think twice about using any trick to investigate the mundane are running scared from this one.

The latest bit of gossip is that they would have to pay out millions in compo and this is deemed more important than detecting crime.

Yes, it's true that these things happen in all types of organisations and institutional set ups. But, Jimmy Savile gained fame and celebrity from the BBC, was cossetted and protected to an extent by them (in life and in death) and used the capitol of being a BBC man to run rogue and bold. 

The BBC should not be immune from criticism in this matter, they have a lot to answer for, and any talk of 'well it wasn't just them' and 'challenging them means you seek their destruction...so good luck with that when they go and you'll be sorry then' is doing my head in almost as much as the endless chatter of 'this ones at it and this one was notorious for it'.

It's a fair point and I know exactly what you mean, however ......... Don't forget when this story was first hinted at, last year, or the year before, it was based on children's homes and we were heading in the direction of Kincora, north Wales and so on. No members of the press seemed interested until they had a BBC angle. Make no mistake there are people out there who want to shut it down. The BBC centric approach is purely lazy journalism.

That's kinda how I read it too Jen. It was Joan 'thinking man's crumpet' Bakewell who was quoted (I think, I read it yesterday or the day before). I thought oh how urbane and smart of her not to fall for his patter (considering he wasn't her cerebral type anyway) but point out that there were many willing naive mini groupies desperate or stupid enough to.

I know that, and it's not new. But, on this point the BBC has been extremely lacking and almost in denial until the ITV picked this up and ran with it. That latest article, which was a very good and sometimes insightful piece, almost takes the defensive stance that the BBC was caught in the blurred transition between sexual repression and liberation that allowed Savile, Uncle Mac, Gilbert Harding (I had to ask my father about those) and that other guy to operate in varying degrees of openness. It was almost as if the victims were collateral damage for greater sexual freedom to come...perhaps they can all take solace for that.

 

My Mum still has her official Uncle Mac membership card signed by him! He was all the rage when I was a kid.

Seems to me they were collateral damage for a succesful BBC. 

 Afterall, Savile got the ratings....and he raised a lot for charideee

Is it the platforms and silver onesie?

That seems to be it in a nutshell Suzy, screw the kids (literally) Jimmy was great for the BBC. 

I've been wearing the same hat as he had in the photo as he left the police station. Added to that, same sorta glasses and white facial hair.

Are you guys seriously saying that the BBC (on purpose) turned a blind eye to JS's abuse of children because he was big ratings for the network?

 

Im sorry but IMO that is crazy nonsense.

Every new piece of news points to just that.

No one knew for certain what JS was doing, it was all rumours,  if only at least one of the abused victims told the police or someone at the beeb AT THE TIME, and not 30 years later, maybe he would have been delt with.

 

 

He was banned from Children in Need years ago

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20120302

I think it has become quite clear that many at the BBC knew exactly what he was like.  It said on the BBC news today that it was decided years ago that JS would no longer be involved with the Children in Need annual appeal because there were suspicions about him.  There will be politicians from both sides who are guilty, many in show business but there is no way you can try and ring fence the BBC as being free from blame.

Yes, it's a shame he wasn't dealt with then.  But it seems it was brushed under the carpet for whatever reasons, not just by the BBC, but by other establishments he was linked to.  A sorry state of affairs all round.

Trust me: you're well out of it...

I think someone posted still pics of this... here's the vid and her story  Titled something like "Jimmy Savile molested me live on TV"

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/ho...s/article4612576.ece

http://www.yorkshireeveningpos...mmy-savile-1-5072056

Yeah, it's completely nuts isn't it? A bit like his own sister dismissing her own grand-daughter (his great-niece) with her disclosure that he'd assaulted her because it would rock the boat and affect the lifestyle with which she'd become accustomed to, but writ LARGE.

Thats not the same as the BBC bosses turning a blind eye (on mass) to protect their big star....it's very unlikely.

But I dont think anyone knew, for certain, that he did anything to this level, the only rumours around were that he like young women, not children.

 

And lets not forget, in those days this kind of thing wasn't looked for or thought much about.

 

 

so why was he banned from Children in Need? I'm not just blaming the BBC, there's Stoke, Leeds and a whole rake of them should be questioning themselves!

 

I'm not sure why the BBC seems to be taking all the flak, but there are some in the BBC that should be hanging their heads. 

I agree, there are some at the BBC that saw things, but did nothing, like that woman producer that walked in on JS with his hand up a 14 year olds skirt in his dressing room, and she just apologised and walked back out of the room, without even reporting it.

 

BUT im certain that if they knew just how awful this guy was they would never have protected him.

 

Well done to the guy who ran the Children In Need charity that didn't want JS anywhere near their show, however, who did he tell at the time about his worries about JS? 

That's if you believe him ,convenient to say this when some are saying the BBC should not be running Children in Need and the charities that gain from the monies pledge are sick with worry tht the BBC 's reputation is so tarnished that fewer pledges will be made.

 

 

well by all accounts, rumours were rife throughout the Beeb and everywhere else for that matter  that should have been enough to stop him fronting the likes of Clunk Click and Jim'll Fix It. Or allowed bloody his caravan on the grounds of homes for troubled kids, his own quarters at Stoke and Broadmoor with his own set of keys. Bloody madness 

 

to be honest Erin, it would not stop me giving to Children in Need, and to worry about pledges  Surely any money is better than no money! 

Welcome to the weird world of the 70s.

That would be an awful shame if this charity is effected by this mess.

 

I think bloody MPs are to blame for whipping this up into a BBC scandal rather than what it should be about, JIMMY SAVILE.

You say unlikely but I say highly possible. That's why loads of people, even remotely involved are singing like canaries now. 

Exactly Dame, that's the madness. He became a sodding campaigner for road safety, the sick and the vulnerable that he bloody well preyed on all because of his celebrity.