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Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:

 

 

Read a fair bit about this today. What annoys me is people like Rantzen and Gambiccini are coming out now saying they had strong suspicions. Well, they should have spoken up earlier if that was the case or was their careers more important than the girls circumstances.

 

I kind of think that ER & PC should feel pretty bad about what they did not do.

I also find it odd that some are speaking out now.

 

I find it especially true for Rantzen given her work for childline.

 

 

I agree with you there over the Rantzen part, but at the time was she aware of it, it seems he disliked women so was she party to his goings on or did she hear about it after the fact.  Whereas Paul Gambaccini seemed quite knowledgable of the facts, so why didn't he speak out earlier?

Cinds

Mr Foster, from Goole, East Yorkshire, said he is not only concerned for Sir Jimmy's reputation and legacy but also for the damage the allegations could do to his charities.

"I just get so disgusted and disappointed by it. The guy hasn't been dead for a year yet and they're bringing these stories out. It could affect his legacy, his charity work, everything. I'm very sad and disgusted," he said.

"I just don't understand the motives behind this. 



How about good old fashioned 'justice' for starters...?

The "charities" must be feeling pretty pissed off to think this creep hid behind their respectable name.

 

If it didn't stink enough, now we've got Rantzen, Gambaccini and Nolan all coming out of the woodwork (and into the spotlight).  Have they not heard of police stations?  Did they get lost en route?

Is there any need at this stage of proceedings for them to be talking to the press?

 

Cosmopolitan
Originally Posted by ~Cosmopolitan~:

Mr Foster, from Goole, East Yorkshire, said he is not only concerned for Sir Jimmy's reputation and legacy but also for the damage the allegations could do to his charities.

"I just get so disgusted and disappointed by it. The guy hasn't been dead for a year yet and they're bringing these stories out. It could affect his legacy, his charity work, everything. I'm very sad and disgusted," he said.

"I just don't understand the motives behind this. 



How about good old fashioned 'justice' for starters...?

The "charities" must be feeling pretty pissed off to think this creep hid behind their respectable name.

 

If it didn't stink enough, now we've got Rantzen, Gambaccini and Nolan all coming out of the woodwork (and into the spotlight).  Have they not heard of police stations?  Did they get lost en route?

Is there any need at this stage of proceedings for them to be talking to the press?

 

When I saw Nolan

FM

He's neither IMO.

 

I dont trust these women that suddenly came forward to claim this, a year after he died and with the smell of possible compo money in the wind I think it's clear what these women are upto.

 

He might have been weird and had an odd manner with people but that doesn't make him a child abuser.

 

These women could have come forward with these claims years ago, while he was still alive, in the times we live in anyone who comes forward to say they were abused by someone is automaticly believed by most people, so it's not as if it's the 70s or 80s where claims such as this would have been laughed out of town, they could have taken him to court and got justice, rather than waiting till he's dead and cant answer these horrible claims.

Videostar
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:

Is that the same children's home that was mentioned in many internet forum/chats  when  a certain person who was on BB 6 was mentioned,I   wonder.CH4 wiped and banned anyone mentioning on the BB forum...

Who was that Katty?

I can't say the name..libel etc. however  a good  old goggle search etc....

kattymieoww
Originally Posted by Videostar:

He's neither IMO.

 

I dont trust these women that suddenly came forward to claim this, a year after he died and with the smell of possible compo money in the wind I think it's clear what these women are upto.

 

He might have been weird and had an odd manner with people but that doesn't make him a child abuser.

 

These women could have come forward with these claims years ago, while he was still alive, in the times we live in anyone who comes forward to say they were abused by someone is automaticly believed by most people, so it's not as if it's the 70s or 80s where claims such as this would have been laughed out of town, they could have taken him to court and got justice, rather than waiting till he's dead and cant answer these horrible claims.

"These Women"   really vids..have you not seen so many court cases when victims of abuse  come forward decades later even within  ordinary families because they now feel they may be believed instead of told to shut up etc.

kattymieoww
Originally Posted by Videostar:

He's neither IMO.

 

I dont trust these women that suddenly came forward to claim this, a year after he died and with the smell of possible compo money in the wind I think it's clear what these women are upto.

 

He might have been weird and had an odd manner with people but that doesn't make him a child abuser.

 

These women could have come forward with these claims years ago, while he was still alive, in the times we live in anyone who comes forward to say they were abused by someone is automaticly believed by most people, so it's not as if it's the 70s or 80s where claims such as this would have been laughed out of town, they could have taken him to court and got justice, rather than waiting till he's dead and cant answer these horrible claims.

 

 

These women came forward years ago and it was ignored 

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:
 
 

Who was that Katty?

I can't say the name..libel etc. however  a good  old goggle search etc....

 

 

Is it the one on a certain Island Katty, that he denied ever visiting and then photographic proof came to light? 

Is it a BB contestant that made accusations about Savile?

FM
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:
 
 

Who was that Katty?

I can't say the name..libel etc. however  a good  old goggle search etc....

 

 

Is it the one on a certain Island Katty, that he denied ever visiting and then photographic proof came to light? 

Is it a BB contestant that made accusations about Savile?

No.

kattymieoww
Originally Posted by Videostar:

He's neither IMO.

 

I dont trust these women that suddenly came forward to claim this, a year after he died and with the smell of possible compo money in the wind I think it's clear what these women are upto.

 

He might have been weird and had an odd manner with people but that doesn't make him a child abuser.

 

These women could have come forward with these claims years ago, while he was still alive, in the times we live in anyone who comes forward to say they were abused by someone is automaticly believed by most people, so it's not as if it's the 70s or 80s where claims such as this would have been laughed out of town, they could have taken him to court and got justice, rather than waiting till he's dead and cant answer these horrible claims.

Sorry, but I really don't agree with you on this grumpy. It's well testamented that women have kept these things for years because they thought nobody would believe them or maybe because they felt guilty for letting him do something they had no real idea what it was. I was sexually assaulted by somebody in the middle of Cologne when I was on my first ever outing alone to buy schoolbooks (13). I went around a corner with this guy because he promised me a bracelet, but I had no idea what he was doing. He was holding my wrist while w*nking off, in hindsight I think he may have been gay. I never spoke about that for 30 years.

cologne 1
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:
 
 

Who was that Katty?

I can't say the name..libel etc. however  a good  old goggle search etc....

 

 

Is it the one on a certain Island Katty, that he denied ever visiting and then photographic proof came to light? 

Is it a BB contestant that made accusations about Savile?

 

 

Not sure Erin...but google Childrens home and his name 

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:

 

 

Erin, think Bergerac!

I googled all BB6 contestant and where they came from ...no Bergerac.

I will need to be put out of my misery.

 

I don't think that one had any thing to do with a BB contestant Erin... I remember something being said on BB that was cut, but for the life of me can't think what it was 

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

He's neither IMO.

 

I dont trust these women that suddenly came forward to claim this, a year after he died and with the smell of possible compo money in the wind I think it's clear what these women are upto.

 

He might have been weird and had an odd manner with people but that doesn't make him a child abuser.

 

These women could have come forward with these claims years ago, while he was still alive, in the times we live in anyone who comes forward to say they were abused by someone is automaticly believed by most people, so it's not as if it's the 70s or 80s where claims such as this would have been laughed out of town, they could have taken him to court and got justice, rather than waiting till he's dead and cant answer these horrible claims.

Sorry, but I really don't agree with you on this grumpy. It's well testamented that women have kept these things for years because they thought nobody would believe them or maybe because they felt guilty for letting him do something they had no real idea what it was. I was sexually assaulted by somebody in the middle of Cologne when I was on my first ever outing alone to buy schoolbooks (13). I went around a corner with this guy because he promised me a bracelet, but I had no idea what he was doing. He was holding my wrist while w*nking off, in hindsight I think he may have been gay. I never spoke about that for 30 years.

Im sorry to hear what happened to you.

 

We'll have to wait till the programme to see what evidence they have, but it's sad but true that some people do lie about these things.

Videostar

Was Jimmy Saville 'untouchable' as Rantzen claims?  I recall, in his later years, Saville being ridiculed and insinuations made consistently, "Dear, Jimmy, you sad man" and endless jibes about his unconventional relationship with his late mother. 

 

I don't think anyone's untouchable with our salacious sleazy press so I'm not totally convinced why these allegations had to wait until he was dead.

 

Rantzen loves a bit of publicity and chance to turn on the waterworks, doesn't she?

Carnelian
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:

Cologne that's what these creeps rely on,the shock and  innocence of their victims,they know/hope  that they won't speak about it due to confusion and shame(misplaced) They are predators.

All of that, plus I felt guilty about asking for the bracelet and he looked at me as though I was dirt on his shoes, so I felt dirty. Thankfully, I managed to put it into a corner and didn't let it vandalise the rest of my life.

cologne 1
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

He's neither IMO.

 

I dont trust these women that suddenly came forward to claim this, a year after he died and with the smell of possible compo money in the wind I think it's clear what these women are upto.

 

He might have been weird and had an odd manner with people but that doesn't make him a child abuser.

 

These women could have come forward with these claims years ago, while he was still alive, in the times we live in anyone who comes forward to say they were abused by someone is automaticly believed by most people, so it's not as if it's the 70s or 80s where claims such as this would have been laughed out of town, they could have taken him to court and got justice, rather than waiting till he's dead and cant answer these horrible claims.

 

 

These women came forward years ago and it was ignored 

From what I heard on the radio about this today, the police did look into it but found nothing to back up their claims so dropped the investigation.

Videostar
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

Was Jimmy Saville 'untouchable' as Rantzen claims?  I recall Saville being ridiculed consistently, "Dear, Jimmy, you sad man" and endless jibes about his unconventional relationship with his late mother. 

 

I don't think anyone's untouchable with our salacious sleazy press and not totally convinced why these allegations had to wait until he was dead.

Some are.  For as long as it suits.

Cosmopolitan
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:

Cologne that's what these creeps rely on,the shock and  innocence of their victims,they know/hope  that they won't speak about it due to confusion and shame(misplaced) They are predators.

All of that, plus I felt guilty about asking for the bracelet and he looked at me as though I was dirt on his shoes, so I felt dirty. Thankfully, I managed to put it into a corner and didn't let it vandalise the rest of my life.

 

Cologne..

kattymieoww
Originally Posted by ~Cosmopolitan~:

 

 

I've followed this for years Cosi and that documentary was shelved a few years ago...these are not new allegations, and its pissing me off to say some are coming forward now he's dead...no, they bloody came forward before he died and no one took a blind bit of notice, or if they did it was buried before it became public.  

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by ~Cosmopolitan~:

 

 

I've followed this for years Cosi and that documentary was shelved a few years ago...these are not new allegations, and its pissing me off to say some are coming forward now he's dead...no, they bloody came forward before he died and no one took a blind bit of notice, or if they did it was buried before it became public.  

 

Well it took 'em long enough to nab Jonathan King so I'm not surprised that nothing is as it seems in public 

Cosmopolitan

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