I would think that the police would start by believing anyone reporting a crime, before they start investigating. Someone reporting a break-in would not expect the police to start by questioning them as to whether they had left their front door open, at a cheeky angle, and were displaying their valuables in a provocative way! 

Or even dis believing that they'd been broken into at all. When someone reports something to the Police - why would they have to start by proving it? That's what a court case/enquiry is for.

A break in and an allegation cannot be seen as the same.

Its not a fair comparison.

Exactly. 

Is it just allegations of sexual assault that you feel should be doubted straight away?

Y'see Blizzy you deliberately misjudge me

No point . . .

I'm just disagreeing with you. I have every sympathy with people falsely accused, am against vigilantism and support the presumption of innocence. However, I also see the danger in not believing victims of sexual assaults from the outset and how justice is not served best by doing so. It is possible to serve alleged victims and alleged criminals with respect and to investigate properly, as long as the police are trained to do so.

Like i said - no point . . .

Well, you either believe them, don't believe them, or doubt them. Were you not saying that they should be doubted? 

No  -  but never mind . . .

There was a ch4 programme about the 9/11 survivor faker, that was disgusting too.

 

It's horrible that this kind of thing happens, but sadly there are liars out there that will want to get their name in lights or some kind of benefit out of these situations .

Of course there are liars out there - it's almost inevitable that some twisted individuals will fake a story to gain a bit of attention.

 

Let's just not forget though the biggest fraud and liar of them all was Jimmy Savile himself.

Hear hear to that.

Oh definitely Blizz, to doubt someone on such horrible accusations is a terrible thing. I was just saying if anyone is found to be trying to gain off of others pain with false claims (be it 'fame' or money) and is found out (without doubt) they should be made an example of. In my eyes that kind of people are doing harm to real victims and making it harder for them to be heard/come forward in future.

Bags of material in The Eye.

The inquiry into alleged child abuse by Jimmy Savile is now a formal criminal investigation involving people stiil living, Scotland Yard says.

 

Detectives have established there are lines of inquiry involving "living people that require formal investigation".

 

Scotland Yard said in the past two weeks officers have checked more than 400 lines of inquiry and have identified more than 200 potential victims.

 

A spokesman said: "As we have said from the outset, our work was never going to take us into a police investigation into Jimmy Savile.

 

"What we have established in the last two weeks is that there are lines of inquiry involving living people that require formal investigation."

 

Operation Yewtree was originally an "assessment" into claims against Savile, launched after a flood of allegations in the wake of an ITV documentary screened earlier this month.

 

Today the NSPCC said it is possible the former Top of the Pops presenter was "one of the most prolific sex offenders" the charity has ever come across.

 

It has also emerged that the BBC is aiming to rush a special edition of Panorama into its schedules looking into issues surrounding Jimmy Savile's years of abuse, which could be run on Monday.

http://news.sky.com/story/9998...riminal-investigaton

I had a break in many years ago and the first question the police asked was "are you sure all you're doors were locked?". I replied "definately". The second question they asked was "and you're positive of that?". I'm not saying they didn't believe me but they pointed out when I got a bit upset that they had to establish all the facts and the first of those was whether we had been careless.

 

Reading more about the JS case it seems there is no doubt about his actions. I'm not sure whether the press coverage of it is all good though. All sorts of weirdos are now chipping in and I have a feeling not all are genuine. Why did Kerry Katona get involved? She was an adult and we're talking about children.

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I can't listen to 25 minutes of David Icke, but bless his cotton socks for finally getting something right.

I think there's a fair few celebs cacking their pants  now.

It's civil war apparently.

I'm so hoping they are!!

Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but I've only just found out the full details:

 

The much-publicized Panorama special - "Jimmy Savile - What the BBC Knew" - will be broadcast at 10.35pm tonight on BBC1. It's an hour long.

It replaces the extended repeat of "Have I Got News for You". The scheduled episode of Panorama ("Gambling Nation") at 8.30 has been replaced with an episode of "Fake Britain".

 

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It appears that this is subject to regional variations: the Panorama Special is not being shown tonight in Scotland and Wales, for example. I think the replacement of the scheduled Panorama with Fake Britain is across the board, though.

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Gawd...   BBC Breakfast is even more tedious than ever this morning...    its all they have talked about... 

 

If only it could be revealed that Bill Turnbull was involved in it...    that would make me happy  

His great niece is on 'This Morning' now.

Breaking News 11.31

 

The Newsnight editor responsible for dropping a report into claims Sir Jimmy Savile sexually abused people "is stepping aside", the BBC says.

 

It said the move involving Peter Rippon was happening "with immediate effect".

 

Mr Rippon has denied he was pressured over his decision and says he dropped the report for editorial reasons.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20024904

 

 

something similar was published yesterday but then denied 

Can we really trust the BBC to give an unbiased report on this?  Surely if there was a mass cover-up inside the BBC this needs to be looked into by an independent source?

Eugene, I checked the BBC online tv schedules, it is being shown in Scotland and Wales tonight. 

It would appear so. The BBC seems beset with rivalry, jealousy, or fratricide, if you will. They deserve everything they get.

I suspect that the people who take all of the big decisions have decreed that the story stops with the Beeb.

Fascinating!

Meanwhile, the police, various VIPs who I daren't mention, Stoke Mandeville, Leeds General, and assorted childrens homes walk quietly away out the back door, hands behind their back, whistling...

I don't trust any organisation to conduct an enquiry into its own behaviour.  To coin a phrase, it's like putting Dracula in charge of the Blood Bank.

I think this should now be taken out of the hands of the (Money making) 'Media' and handed over to the official authorities.

I agree, I don't care where the ramifications will take us, and whoever it implicates, no matter how high up they are.  It's time for the truth to come out.  As a society if we pander to paedos then we are all tainted.

Doubt the authorities are to be any more trusted than the media. Possibly less.

All I can personally say is that I am getting fed up with what now seems to be newspapers, and other money making 'Media' filling the pages and screens with pictures and stories.....The crime/s have been put out there for any other victims to talk to the police about.....It should now (IMO) be left to the police to investigate...

Hi there erin   

 

I also agree with Syd and Squiggle. Fingers crossed.

So ..........................I'm of the opinion that it wasn't BBc management who got Rippon to pull the programme. I think someone else had a word in his ear. Anyone else think the same?

He used the expression (I think) "heat from above" I've never been a huge fan of conspiracy theories but there have been rumours circulating for several decades now. Time to get those Private Eye back issues out I fancy.