I read somewhere it was the fella from Elderardo who played the uncle in the comic strip presents spoof of the famous 5 but I think thats clutching at straws abit but I do remember Len Fairclough ....
You may have read my post on DS (I sort of got carried away with my fantasies) The uncle in the comic strip was a big character in Crossroads - that's who I was alluding to on DS - I wish I hadn't though.
TBH - the BBC should either give a name or nothing at all - the speculation surrounding all the half clues is too easy, hurtful and potentially dangerous IMO.
..I agree, they could hint at 1 person but it could sound like 100....
The site of Jimmy Savile's grave at Woodlands Cemetery in Scarborough, after the removal of the headstone on 10 October. Photograph: Paul Ellis/AFP/Getty Images
Yesterday I was asked by a group of enthusiastic feminists if I would like to take part in a bit of direct action and help desecrate Jimmy Savile's grave. In my youth I did a fair bit of spray-painting and the like and, as a political activist against violence towards women and children, I am well aware that when all else fails, we do as the Suffragettes did and get our hands dirty.
However on this occasion I declined to take part, because a) I do not believe in disrespecting a space where grieving loved ones go for comfort, and b) it is a waste and time of energy. What we need the Savile legacy to be is a major rethink and overhaul of police and other criminal justice agencies responses to reports of child sexual abuse.
Since this story broke we have heard much about who is to blame for the fact that the rumours and allegations about Savile did not lead to action by the police and subsequently the courts. Why wait until he was dead, ask many. Why did the girls not report at the time? How come the tabloids did not publish what they "knew"? That would have not been possible at the time as the newspapers would be subject to libel laws that, rightly, prevent the publication of unsubstantiated rumours that would harm the reputation of the person involved.
The fact is, had the police and crown prosecution service acted robustly enough in 2007, when women who allege abuse by him at the Duncroft Approved School reported to Surrey police, those alleging abuse could have had their evidence tested in court, and justice may well have been done. But the allegations were investigated, and the CPS decided there was insufficient evidence to take any further action.
A year later, police in Sussex were contacted by another woman alleging that Savile had abused her as a child, and again, nothing happened. During the time Savile was still alive Jersey, Northamptonshire and West Yorkshire were all aware of allegations that had been made against him.
Why do we keep getting it so wrong when dealing with these crimes?
Ian Huntley, the man who murdered two 10-year-old girls in Soham in 2002 was accused of raping an 18-year-old as she walked home from a nightclub in 1998, but, although he was charged, the CPS decided not to proceed due to an "unrealistic prospect of a conviction". When Huntley was 21 he was accused of having unlawful sex with a 15-year-old. A year later he was accused again of sex with a different 15-year-old, and again nothing happened. Then came accusations of crimes against a 13-year-old, then an 11-year-old, and then of four rapes in 15 months. There was not one single court case throughout the time of the eight reported sexual assaults. He went on to murder the 10-year-old girls.
One of the victims of the recent Rochdale scandal has spoken of how, while she was disclosing the most serious sexual violence perpetrated against her by up to 20 men, the male detective interviewing her yawned loudly. He also made plain his bafflement that after being assaulted once, the girl had "allowed herself" to be sexually abused several more times by the main perpetrator and his cohort.
If police do not take children seriously when reporting heinous sexual crimes, it is no wonder that the CPS often makes the decision that the witness is "unreliable". And when the CPS does proceed, and the case gets to court, the jury and even judges can be awash with prejudice and a tendency to blame the victim. Earlier this year a man who had sexually assaulted 7-year-old girl was given a non-custodial sentence because the judge decided she had actually initiated sexual contact with the adult, claiming she had "flirted with him".
This is war, but it is not war against a dead man who can no longer do any harm, but against the police and the rest of the criminal justice system who appear to keep getting it wrong. I will be using my energy not to daub a headstone (if it were there any more) with slogans but to campaign against police complacency and poor decision-making by the CPS. It has to stop, and no amount of shouting at Savile's grave will bring justice to victims.
thread very long so i havent read it all, so this might have been mentioned already but i read that someone from CBB, galloway maybe? said it would all come out after savile had died
thread very long so i havent read it all, so this might have been mentioned already but i read that someone from CBB, galloway maybe? said it would all come out after savile had died
I do hope so. However I still suspect that someone somewhere is trying to throw a hat on this and in doing so attempting to restrict any investigations beyond Savile. Ever since I read the first rumours about Kincora and various other children's homes I've hoped that the truth will out.
However it seems so serious and far reaching that I suspect I will be long departed by the time it is investigated.
thread very long so i havent read it all, so this might have been mentioned already but i read that someone from CBB, galloway maybe? said it would all come out after savile had died
thread very long so i havent read it all, so this might have been mentioned already but i read that someone from CBB, galloway maybe? said it would all come out after savile had died
thread very long so i havent read it all, so this might have been mentioned already but i read that someone from CBB, galloway maybe? said it would all come out after savile had died
I thought that was in really bad taste. Comparing an alleged paedophile (although the host missed the word "alleged") with the Yorkshire Ripper and making out he was a better person isn't right. Also comparing him to a terrorist...all in the name of comedy. If it was a serious news programme then maybe I'd take their words seriously but just to get a few laughs. I wasn't laughing. I bet the alleged victims weren't either.
most blokes looks at a young girl.. (older teenager)
thinks 'if only i was younger..'
but looking at a vunerable child and taking advantage is f*cking bang out of order, wrong, and downright f*cking pervy
I had hoped that Bruno would have punched Sutcliffe not shock his hand.
This is seriously weird. A photo that's apparently been doing the rounds for three years: Jimmy Savile and Frank Bruno, visiting Broadmoor secure hospital to meet Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper, in 1991. Apparently Savile had his own keys to the place.
I don't know what to say about this at all. Savile, according to The Sun, befriended Sutcliffe during his many visits to Broadmoor. (The Mail quotes a former patient there who says "He could access any of the girls' bedrooms.") Bruno was there opening a gym. I'm not even sure what I'm putting this in a blog post for, except that I find it profoundly
I thought that was in really bad taste. Comparing an alleged paedophile (although the host missed the word "alleged") with the Yorkshire Ripper and making out he was a better person isn't right. Also comparing him to a terrorist...all in the name of comedy. If it was a serious news programme then maybe I'd take their words seriously but just to get a few laughs. I wasn't laughing. I bet the alleged victims weren't either.
thirteen police force investigating and you're still using alleged he was a dirty creepy t*at...I would not have let him within a mile of my kids and that was in the 80's.
I thought that was in really bad taste. Comparing an alleged paedophile (although the host missed the word "alleged") with the Yorkshire Ripper and making out he was a better person isn't right. Also comparing him to a terrorist...all in the name of comedy. If it was a serious news programme then maybe I'd take their words seriously but just to get a few laughs. I wasn't laughing. I bet the alleged victims weren't either.
It was very strange. Those "jokes" seemed completely at odds with what preceded it - a quite serious discussion of the JS story, which then moved into an attack on the hypocrisy of the press - especially the Daily Mail. [For those with some time on their hands and who don't mind going onto the Daily Mail Online site, try doing a search for "all grown up" - quite unbelievable,]
All in all, it was a jaw-dropping episode: as well as the JS story, there was Clare Balding telling a 9/11 "joke" about Abu Hamza (I wish I was kidding), then a domestic abuse "joke" about Justin Lee Colins and then refusing to cover the Lawerence Armstrong story because "he's a cheat". The notorious "tub of lard" episode suddenly seems very tame...
I thought that was in really bad taste. Comparing an alleged paedophile (although the host missed the word "alleged") with the Yorkshire Ripper and making out he was a better person isn't right. Also comparing him to a terrorist...all in the name of comedy. If it was a serious news programme then maybe I'd take their words seriously but just to get a few laughs. I wasn't laughing. I bet the alleged victims weren't either.
thirteen police force investigating and you're still using alleged he was a dirty creepy t*at...I would not have let him within a mile of my kids and that was in the 80's.
I use the word alleged because with him being dead there can hardly be a fair trial and without that how can there be a conviction? Ok there are numerous stories from famous people about how they knew but is there hard evidence? Don't get me wrong....with so many people coming forward and so many people involved I don't doubt there is truth in it but words should be chosen carefully. Especially on programmes like this. They (and by they I mean the host) were very matter of fact. Whether I choose to use the word alleged or not doesn't take away from the fact that using the circumstances as a way of entertainment....to get a few laughs and to boost ratings is in very bad taste. We can't pick and choose on matters like this. It's either disgusting or it's not. Is it disgusting enough to wipe him from the BBC archives, remove all memorials etc but not disgusting enough that we can still laugh at jokes about it?
For those that can be bothered this is really interesting stuff. I was pretty much blown away by some of the stuff - recommend that you fast forward to an hour in.
Who is that Bill Mahoney bloke? He claims to be a heavy hitting activist against child abuse, from what I gather of that interview. .yet none of what he is talking about has been revealed before. . that I know of... I think he's a bandwagon jumper or a pretty crap activist if he knew about all that stuff all along and did nothing about it..
So JS was into necrophilia too.. according to him. .no mention of where he gets his info from ... next he'll say JS was Osama bin Laden in his spare time
Oh and Bill, re the Israeli prime minister.. it is pronounced baygin not beggin..
I saw a headline on Yahoo news today saying that those fiddled with are now going to sue the BBC and NHS.. seriously???? how can they do that when anyone can come out of the woodwork and jump on the bandwagon.. any of those should be offered counselling for free.. . that's about it I reckon, unless they can prove without a doubt that those who were supposed to be looking after them didn't do their job properly..
the whole thing is an almighty mess and dreadful to think of how wide the peodo circle might be and those affected by it.. .if it helps get reviews in place about how things get brushed under the carpet for' the greater good' sometimes and that changes, fine. . but the witch hunt of all sorts of people is getting a tad out of hand I think.. they need to be talking to those that had the brush and those that lifted the carpet to brush the mess under..
People like Esther Rantzen make me sick now. If what she says is true she knew about it, set up a help line for children in those circumstances and yet hid his actions from the world. Could she have put a stop to it back then? Probably. Did she? Did she hell. Her career and extra marital affairs were more important. She was a huge public figure and could have made him face the accusations while he was alive. I remember her from years ago appealing to kids NOT to suffer in silence. The joke in my house was "I'm gonna phone childline". She's the joke now. Her credability has gone right out the window.
Who is that Bill Mahoney bloke? He claims to be a heavy hitting activist against child abuse, from what I gather of that interview. .yet none of what he is talking about has been revealed before. . that I know of... I think he's a bandwagon jumper or a pretty crap activist if he knew about all that stuff all along and did nothing about it..
So JS was into necrophilia too.. according to him. .no mention of where he gets his info from ... next he'll say JS was Osama bin Laden in his spare time
Oh and Bill, re the Israeli prime minister.. it is pronounced baygin not beggin..
I saw a headline on Yahoo news today saying that those fiddled with are now going to sue the BBC and NHS.. seriously???? how can they do that when anyone can come out of the woodwork and jump on the bandwagon.. any of those should be offered counselling for free.. . that's about it I reckon, unless they can prove without a doubt that those who were supposed to be looking after them didn't do their job properly..
the whole thing is an almighty mess and dreadful to think of how wide the peodo circle might be and those affected by it.. .if it helps get reviews in place about how things get brushed under the carpet for' the greater good' sometimes and that changes, fine. . but the witch hunt of all sorts of people is getting a tad out of hand I think.. they need to be talking to those that had the brush and those that lifted the carpet to brush the mess under..
Well he's been campaigning on behalf of victims of child abuse for many years as he himself was a victim of institutionalised child abuse for . He's made a number of films and been around for a long time. I really wouldn't call him a band wagon jumper.
Personally I think he doesn't get listened to because of his 'accent' - he does come across as a bit thuggish I'll give you that.
I find the stuff he's saying very convincing and believable TBH. You don't make stuff like that up IMO.
I listened to about 15 mins of stuff from an hour in. .his accent has nowt to do with my assumption it was what he was saying with nothing offered to back it up. .plus the fact I'd not heard of him so he can't be that well known.. tho that just means he's not well known to me..
I found myself going eh? where's all or even a little bit of the evidence for this increasing amount of newer and unsubstantiated gossip I'm hearing from him.. and making the loosest of connections between some things at times.. I gave up listening and instead ended up thinking he's just a conspiracy theorist, cos that's how he was coming across to me..
to be honest now it is all coming out I want a proper official and open enquiry to all the charges made against JS and all the others.. I don't want people making half assed guesses or linking totally unconnected things without double or triple checking their info..
If you think you have heard some shocking things so far, then this will absolutely shock you. I am reeling from what this man Bill Maloney is saying.Bill is talking 36 mins into the programme.
If you think you have heard some shocking things so far, then this will absolutely shock you. I am reeling from what this man Bill Maloney is saying.Bill is talking 36 mins into the programme.
i posted the link up there sezit^^^^ I was gobsmacked - some astonishing stuff there. I think possibly some of it may be over egged but basically I'm believing a lot of the stuff. Shocking IMO.
Soozy. Sorry I didn't see your link. I am so shocked I can't put it into words. The thing is, Bill Maloney is not only talking about dead people who can't libel him, he is also talking about very much alive people. I said on another forum right at the beginning of all of this when people were disbelieving of "Saint Jim" that mark my words it will go all the way to the very very top of our society, including royalty, the police, the judiciary, politicians etc etc........
It does, but as far as I can see there are D Notices and Injunctions in place.
I thought here might be Joe. That is why Bill ismore or less saying that the press are being given a bone of Showbiz names in the hope that the big nobs will be shielded by them.
'I kicked sleazy Jimmy Savile off cruise ship': Captain acted over claims he assaulted girl, 14
Two passengers on the P&O fleet flagship told an officer Savile had behaved inappropriately with their daughter
Shady: Jimmy Savile aboard The SS Canberra
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TV star Jimmy Savile was locked in his cabin then booted off the ship over claims he assaulted a 14-year-old.
This picture was taken in 1978 while Savile was a VIP guest on the luxury liner SS Canberra.
Two passengers on the P&O fleet flagship told an officer Savile had behaved inappropriately with their daughter.
After listening to the distraught couple, the captain summoned the DJ and grilled him.
The skipper, who has asked not to be named, said: âThe more I quizzed him, the more convinced I became that he was lying.
"He was a shifty sort of chap whose eyes darted all over the place.
âThe parents, who were not travelling first class, were very decent, ordinary people who were scandalised by Savileâs unwanted attention to their daughter.
"I told him he disgusted me and I wanted him off my ship when we reached Gibraltar.â
Luxury: SS Canberra at sea
âI told an officer to make sure he remained in his cabin until we reached the Rock.
âHe was to take all his meals in his cabin and was not allowed to leave it under any circumstances short of shipwreck.â
Savile always travelled first class and for free on cruises around the world.
He would boast to fellow passengers that he was so famous the QE2 couldnât sail without him.
He refused to dress for dinner and wore his multi-coloured polyester shellsuits.
He would often be seen smoking one of his Havana cigars sitting on a mocked-up throne.
Meanwhile former beauty queen said yesterday Jimmy Savile forced himself on her in his mobile home on BBC premises.
The woman, called Sandy, also claims she was raped by one of Savileâs colleagues.
Sandy was 23 in 1970 when she was invited into the Radio 1 DJâs vehicle, which was in a BBC car park in West London.
She said: âHe locked the door then semi laid down on the bed. He kissed me and I remember not wanting to go any further.
âBut he was quite a strong man and I let him continue, which was over quickly.â
Sandy, 66, also told the police a BBC employee was his accomplice.
She claimed the pair took her to see a film and Savile disappeared before the other man forced her into a cupboard and raped her.
Savile was banned from a council-run childrenâs home in Leeds in the 1970s for molesting a girl of 12, a whistle-blower claimed yesterday.
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) The uncle in the comic strip was a big character in Crossroads - that's who I was alluding to on DS - I wish I hadn't though.
..I agree, they could hint at 1 person but it could sound like 100....
he was a dirty creepy t*at...I would not have let him within a mile of my kids and that was in the 80's. 
