I don't know the answer to that Cologne ...but he always creeped me out a bit

I'm more concerned that they aren't going to use this as another stick to beat the Beeb. There have been rumours for years mind.

There's been rumours about him for years,I too found him a bit creepy.

I read something Esther Rantzen was saying earlier. I don't know to be honest.

 

 

edit: in answer to you Cologne, it's important to hear what the accusers are saying.

I agree with every post here, but I still find it very sad that we don't seem to be able to rely on anybody being without an ulterior motive.

Esther Rantzen has spoken out about allegations of child abuse against Jimmy Savile.

Rantzen is convinced many personalities in British entertainment heard gossip suggesting Jimmy Savile abused children, but they chose to ignore the rumours.

Saville was one of the most popular presenters on the BBC, but now 10 women have claimed they were assaulted by him when they were girls, and four will appear in an explosive documentary about the star, who died last year.

 

Rantzen, who founded the charity Childline, told The Mail on Sunday: "I feel that we in television, in his world, in some way colluded with him as a child abuser - because I now believe that's what he was.

"We all blocked our ears. There was gossip, there were rumours."

Rantzen said no action was taken because Saville, who raised millions of pounds for charity, was such a huge star in British TV.

She added: "It's very distressing. We made him into the Jimmy Saville who was untouchable, who nobody could criticise. He was a sort of god-like figure.

"Everybody knew of the good that Jimmy did and what he did for children. And these children were powerless."

Rantzen said the testimony given by the women offers concrete evidence the allegations against Saville were true: "What these women say is so matter of fact, they corroborate each other. The style of the abuse and the attack on them was consistent one with each other.

"I'm afraid the jury isn't out any more and what upsets me so much is that not one of these children could ask for help. The abuse of power was as great as the sexual abuse."

Exposure: The Other Side Of Jimmy Savile will air on ITV on Wednesday.

Well, he wouldn't be the first to get away with outrageous, disgusting behaviour, purely because his victims were too afraid to speak out against someone who was admired, or were not believed for the same reason.

Exactly Blizzie,look at all the church scandals coming out now  with abusive priests/nuns/minsters etc.no one cared or believed victims  for decades,or if they did believe them they covered it up.

Just as in Victorian times and before it was then acceptable to send kids up chimneys and down the mines it seems like during the 70's it was acceptable in some instances to force young children into sex against their will as long as their was no 'violence' or malicious intent.

 

Pretty shocking IMO. I have said this before on here but I'll tell the story again. When my daughter was at Uni in Leeds - she had a PT job in a tea shop where JS was a regular. My daughter is very tiny and looks young for her age. I'm never quite sure what he said or did to her but she always maintained he was a disgusting old man. She couldn't look at him on the telly and preferred not to serve him leaving the 'older' ladies to take his order. She sensed something very nasty in him - I never liked him either TBH.

 

I've been a bit busy - has the programme been aired already? If so how do I catch up?

Soozy it's on ITV on Wednesday night 11.10pm.

 

Paul Gambaccini was speaking about this on Daybreak this morning and gave off the impression that people were aware of it but Jimmy pulled press stunts to keep it covered up.

On R2 now.

Cheers Cinds  Just saw a bit of this on This Morning.

I'm listening Joe.  

That was interesting.

Two women who were warned about him, before meeting him, and confirmed his creepiness and his 'friends' thinking his charity fund raising is all that matters and alleged victims should shut up. 

It was quite shocking wasn't it, the journalist who he told he wanted a 'little girl' in his stocking and the statement that TOTP was his 'hunting ground'.  

 

With reference to the charity fund raising, according to what Paul Gambaccini said on Daybreak this morning, Jimmy used that (specifically the millions he raised for Stoke Manderville) as a tool to blackmail newspapers in to not exposing him. 

No wonder he defended Gary Glitter, pair of dodgy feckers together....

I remember playing as a ringer for a cricket team in Leeds. We took a short cut through roundhay park and met him and his entourage jogging about the place. I wasn't ready for the abuse coming from a couple of team members. That's when I was first aware that some had a low opinion of him. Subsequently, and on various panel shows, heavy hints were dropped and he never sued. A bit too late for him now mind.

No wonder they concreted him in, feck all to do with cash for gold, probably more to do with DNA....

And his nephew is still trying to do so - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...d-nothing-wrong.html

 

Mr Foster, from Goole, East Yorkshire, said he is not only concerned for Sir Jimmy's reputation and legacy but also for the damage the allegations could do to his charities.

"I just get so disgusted and disappointed by it. The guy hasn't been dead for a year yet and they're bringing these stories out. It could affect his legacy, his charity work, everything. I'm very sad and disgusted," he said.

"I just don't understand the motives behind this. I just think it's very, very sad you can say these things after someone's died and the law says you can't defend yourself when you're dead."

 

People were saying these things before he died.

The law says you can't or the fact your dead makes it really difficult.

 

That's just it Joe, these things were being said a long time before he died.  I'm sure I read somewhere before he died that girls had come forward with complaints of sexual abuse but were ignored and not taken seriously.

I thought that was nature rather the law?

 

And as for not understanding motives.... well that's because there aren't any! It's not about personal gain (i hope) and more about telling the truth.

 

Personally I'm happy its come after his death as apposed to just before he died. As if all this was going on when he was old, frail and ill i think it would have been harder on the victims.

 

Yes, rather a stupid thing to say. 

So it seems. 

 

I think most women will have met creepy blokes who push the boundaries, and those who admire them, or think it is just their eccentricity, or unusual personality, will admonish anyone who voices their concern. All this crap being spouted about young women 'throwing' themselves at famous personalities like Mr Saville, is making my blood boil, tbh. 

LOOSE Women star has chosen to speak out now because she feels it is important people listen to women who say they were abused by telly icon.

 Jimmy Savile was questioned in 2007 on suspicion of indecent assault.
Surrey Police have confirmed that the DJ and presenter, who died last year, was interviewed under caution for alleged offences dating back to the 1970s at a children's home in Staines.

Fookin' pervert!

One of the most mind boggling things I've read over the last few days was that he was permitted to park his caravan and have access to the pupils from the Duncroft Approved School ‘for intelligent, emotionally disturbed’ girls near Staines in Surrey. I mean, what the actual???

 

 

Read a fair bit about this today. What annoys me is people like Rantzen and Gambiccini are coming out now saying they had strong suspicions. Well, they should have spoken up earlier if that was the case or was their careers more important than the girls circumstances.

 

I kind of think that ER & PC should feel pretty bad about what they did not do.

I also find it odd that some are speaking out now.

 

I find it especially true for Rantzen given her work for childline.

 

 

Not a single word on the BBC news at 6pm.

 

They are running the story on Look North - Yorkshire.

Edit: Top story.

 

Rantzen says she feel she colluded. Prosecute her then.

ITV news stating he was interviewed under caution in 2007 but not enough evidence to prosecute.

Yep. Does the BBC think that this policy of sticking their heads in the sand will make it all go away?

 

Maybe at a national level, but the BBC don't have their heads in the sand at a local (Yorkshire) level. The story was quite long with interviews.

I dont know what can be done now that the man in question is dead,it's all hearsay and rumour.There are no facts or evidence so the man remains innocent until proved guilty ,and how do you prove the mans guilty.

Should there be "celebrities" who could have proved his guilt at the time but did nothing shame on them.

 

Not sure that we can blame other 'celebs', unless they actually had proof of wrongdoing, or saw it with their own eyes and did nothing. For all they knew, the rumours could have been false.

 

It's the ones who refused to believe the girls, or suspected it, but allowed him access to them, that should be hanging their heads in shame.

Suzy I read that today and thought the same thing.  But it was the 70's and things were under wraps so the school probably just thought he was there to help himself to the girls and didn't think anything of it.  (OR was the school run by Priests?)

 

I can't remember where I read it, but I know I have in the last 12 months, read something about there being a few BBC employees in Jimmy Saviles ring (not the giant gold one), but it was all hushed up.