Aye.
We're probably fecked for the next fifteen years.
An ounce of Labour responsibility.
No.
Wise up. It wisnae all bread and roses.
It was here. You can't beat what the East Germans called "The old certainties!" Thatcher by a long tatie field was the worst thing ever to happen to this area.
And is Labour the only football team in town?
They are all pish.
They are in mine!
I think what this exciting debate shows is that I'm in a minority. I feel that that Thatcherism, not making and selling things, relying on abstract market principles, investing money in things with no real worth, not paying tax, that sort of thing, has been a complete failure.
The rest of you have never had it so good.
You're not in a minority. It's just that Socialism has been so bastardised (for want of a better word) that it's hard to think of anything to say to promote it sometimes.
That bit in bold makes it seem like you feel completely separated from anyone else who doesn't share your opinion, and that you personally have an advantage of suffering more as a result of the market economy.
Aye.
We're probably fecked for the next fifteen years.
An ounce of Labour responsibility.
No.
Wise up. It wisnae all bread and roses.
It was here. You can't beat what the East Germans called "The old certainties!" Thatcher by a long tatie field was the worst thing ever to happen to this area.
I've seen you quote the old certainties thing loads on here. Those need to include the Stasi and an old guard of privileged Communist Party overlords.
And is Labour the only football team in town?
They are all pish.
They are in mine!
I think what this exciting debate shows is that I'm in a minority. I feel that that Thatcherism, not making and selling things, relying on abstract market principles, investing money in things with no real worth, not paying tax, that sort of thing, has been a complete failure.
The rest of you have never had it so good.
You're not in a minority. It's just that Socialism has been so bastardised (for want of a better word) that it's hard to think of anything to say to promote it sometimes.
That bit in bold makes it seem like you feel completely separated from anyone else who doesn't share your opinion, and that you personally have an advantage of suffering more as a result of the market economy.
Maybe a minority on this forum, but indeed not Suzy. Another fine example of world class sarcasm on my part.
I haven't suffered at all since I've called it all correctly since the late seventies, I have been very lucky, and am grateful for that.
Many people though seem surprised at the collapse of the western economy and lash out at anyone rather than the originators.
(sorry I'm in a rush to get sorted before the footie-I'm sure we'll return to this!!)
Aye.
We're probably fecked for the next fifteen years.
An ounce of Labour responsibility.
No.
Wise up. It wisnae all bread and roses.
It was here. You can't beat what the East Germans called "The old certainties!" Thatcher by a long tatie field was the worst thing ever to happen to this area.
I've seen you quote the old certainties thing loads on here. Those need to include the Stasi and an old guard of privileged Communist Party overlords.
No they don't!! It's the certainty part I'm using. I did a dissitation on the Stasi and the panoptic state, and have visited the exhibitions at the postal museum and elsewhere. You don't need to tell me etc.
Joe.
What did you drive in the seventies?
Was it a pile of BL shite?
Cos my mums was.
Aye.
We're probably fecked for the next fifteen years.
An ounce of Labour responsibility.
No.
Wise up. It wisnae all bread and roses.
It was here. You can't beat what the East Germans called "The old certainties!" Thatcher by a long tatie field was the worst thing ever to happen to this area.
I've seen you quote the old certainties thing loads on here. Those need to include the Stasi and an old guard of privileged Communist Party overlords.
No they don't!! It's the certainty part I'm using. I did a dissitation on the Stasi and the panoptic state, and have visited the exhibitions at the postal museum and elsewhere. You don't need to tell me etc.
I'm not telling you! I have some old certainties of my own too, and I believe that the rest is important to the whole.
He's a champagne socialist suzy.
And he cannae admit it.
It's a thin disguise.
Probs a poster of Joe Gormley and Arthur Scargill in the water closet.
He's a champagne socialist suzy.
And he cannae admit it.
Oh. I don't know Velvet. I do get Joe. Perhaps it's my problem and aversion to anything I perceive as dogmatic or preachy.
i've said it before, but i find it impossible to name a politician that has integrity, conviction(not the criminal kind) or decency and who isn't it for themselves.
everything is run by the greedy bastards mob, which numbers politicians, corporate bosses, bankers etc. it's a private club made to ensure they get richer, and guess what? you aren't invited.
the sooner we stop thinking we can change anything by voting for the other mob to govern by doing it slightly differently, the better.
they are all corupt, they are all greedy and i've been told off as being naive in thinking anything good will come of a revolution, but all the time our politicians are as they are, then we only have to look to the upsurge of racial hatred and the success of the rightin europe, to understand that when the greedy, grasping bastards, keep it all for themselves then the have nots cast around for some one to blame for their plight, and currently that seems to be anyone else that isn't them...
I'm with JB & Kaytee.
We're not short of a few bob and have paid the higher rate of tax for a long time.
Not got a problem with that. Never dodged a tax bill in our lives and have paid our way. But what I do resent is the insinuation or suspicion that everyone who's a top end earner must be dodgy or bunging their money away elsewhere.
I'm also sick of people thinking that every CEO sits on his arse all day doing diddly-squat.
Cosi.
Grand Cayman.
Cosi.
Grand Cayman.
Bit of a long commute innit 
I'm glad you didn't take it the wrong way Cosi 
I know you're claiming benefit for the eight kids 
I'm glad you didn't take it the wrong way Cosi
I know you're claiming benefit for the eight kids
You know me Velvet
And besides, you make me gigglesnort far too often!
I'm upping the ante to 9. These Pot Noodles don't grow on trees y'know..!
i giggled snorted too.
course i giggle cos i don't undesrstand anything and only read comics.
course i giggle cos i don't undesrstand anything and only read comics.
Do your lips move too (like mine?) 
yours only move cos you are distracted by 8 kids.
I knew Barlow was a good for nothing son of a Ooo Eee Ooo Ee Ooo
You might be kidding us..
...and kidding yourself.
is todays equivalent of a champagne socialist an anti capilalist costa coffee drinkin drinking camper?
tamils under the jack boot of imperialism
I've never wasted my money on a car in my life!
They've all been the loves of my life..! 
i would't let you touch mine anyways...
broken orange pekoe is the best.
Taylors Yorkshire for me. Semi skimmed and a splodge of sugar.
Made in a proper tea pot, natch.
broken orange pekoe is the best.
Taylors Yorkshire for me. Semi skimmed and a splodge of sugar.
Made in a proper tea pot, natch.
I'm too common for this forum. I'm off to chuck a Tetley's bag straight in the mug.
Good, you're back! Just want to say sorry if it looked like I was throwing the dogma tag at you. I do get what you say, but sometimes get confused when you appear to laud the Fatherland (as you call it), which has the one of the most sophisticated market driven economies in the West.
And I agree with you about Hislop. The world could do with more of his type!
can't beat punjana.
lovely stuff
earl grey is wimp's tea - perfumey icky weak nasty stuff 
broken orange pekoe is the best.
Taylors Yorkshire for me. Semi skimmed and a splodge of sugar.
Made in a proper tea pot, natch.
I'm too common for this forum. I'm off to chuck a Tetley's bag straight in the mug.
If you place it rather than 'chuck' it then you'd be a refined kind of gal.
And don't forget to lift your pinkie!
Never drunk tea in my life so can't add anything.
Never drunk tea in my life so can't add anything.
Never? 
Trust me, I'm the only one talking tea sense in here, Suzy
Never drunk tea in my life so can't add anything.
Never?
Trust me, I'm the only one talking tea sense in here, Suzy
don't listen to her, suzy
Nothing wrong with Tetley (although I quite enjoyed the free sample of Clipper that came with my shopping last week)
