Rebeckah mentioned it on her first BotS appearance. Details are thin on the ground, as Emma shut Rebeckah up very quickly, but apparently it was why she nominated Jay. However, BB prevented her from giving it as a reason, so she had to come up with something blander and more "acceptable". The assumpion is that it was a story Jay told in the house, rather than an actual "act". This in turn would fit with what we've heard Jay say previously about having his "hoop" licked, etc...

The problem with Rebeckah's story at the time was that she's told so many "porkie-pies" in the house that she's now treated as the boy who cried wolf (or should that be "girl who cried wolf-pack"?   ) No one trust a word she says now, and after her "watersports" revelation on day 1, you have to wonder at her taking the moral high ground on this...

But now we have Heaven saying something similar - and you wouldn't expect those two to lie to back each other up...

I was a PHI for a few years in the seventies and we never assumed anything!

You'd be surprised at the things ah seen, when I'm inspecting kitchens.

This link has got a family filter on and is clearly not suitable for work but it is the interview that Eugene's is referring to:

Jay's Indiscretions

ahhhh ok.

well... tbh, I was quite amused by the "hoop licking" comment.    And without any details then I can't judge whether it was a fisting outrage, or a good time was had by all kinda thing 

I think that's fair comment, TBH: especially if it really was a story as is the general assumption. As I said, it did seem to be a bit off of Rebeckah to take the "moral outrage" stance as she's admitted being paid to do similar things...

What this is all really about, though - particularly following Heaven's comments - is what we're being allowed to see; what BB's keeping from us; and why...

There's a thread somewhere about the 'fisting' somewhere.

Come on.... He's game for a laugh.

Everything about Jay makes me feel ill. 

I struggle to even look at him... never mind listen to his filthy mouth. 

You volunteering to eat the food he did it on then Velvet?

No Fluffs!  

Are you all sure somebody didn't say there is " Jack shite in the freezer"?

Me too.

Not when it's said he did it for a dare!

He`s the pits Soozy.

I don`t know how any woman could have anything to do with him. 

Do we know if he actually did it directly into the freezer, or if he did it elsewhere & then transferred it (I imagine him laying it lovingly in the freezer )

It is gross...    but a bit of gross is what BB is all about innit

Me three. What a horrible person, and if all this is true he should be chucked out.............*shudders*

Right that's it, I'm phoning OFCOM to demand a "Shite enquiry"........C5 have a lot to answer for, we need to see this stuff LIVE! 

Does it make any difference? It's pretty disgusting either way - I think this should be a boot out of the door TBH .................Nick got kicked out for writing names on paper, Emily for the N word, Dennis for spitting in someones face (truly vile) but ...................shitting in the freezer where all the HM's food is stored....................DISGUSTING and not in the least funny. Lack of LF not only ensures we didn't see it but we also didn't see the HM's reactions. TBH - I personally could have nothing to do with someone who had the sick mentality to do that.

Was he actually nominated? Could Heaven have made this up?

well this is it isn't it?

I know they can ensure the edited bits we see on the hour show don't include freezer poo talk...  but the other hm's are still all talking to him...    he still seems fairly popular in the house..   

This has been at the heart of a lot of the discussion on DS.

The thing is that although Heaven has come out with some pretty mad things, she has - AFAWK - never actually lied. Everything she's said has has a grain of truth in it. Then there's the way Jamie/BotS handled her revelation: if this story was news to Jamie, then he would have reacted to it (he's discussed some pretty outrageous behaviour with HMs in the past); If it never happened, then it would have been extremely easy for BB to say so, but instead they appear to have tried to hush it up.

Then there's the way it fits with what Rebeckah said about the fisting story: she tried to nominate Jay, but BB forced her to change her reason.

We still don't know what really happened, but I think it's clear that something did, and BB are desperately trying to cover it up...

The thing I heard about it was BEFORE the eviction....I think!

Definitely before her interview with Jamie on BBBotS. which I didn't actually see.

This twitter discussion with "Mr Holy Moly" (Jamie) has just been posted on DS:

https://twitter.com/#!/martinjpb

It just seems completely unbelieveable that

(a) a media journalist working in BB wouldn't be interested in the truth behind Heaven's claim, and;

(b) BB wouldn't just deny it if it were untrue.

It really does look like Jamie knows exactly what happened, but is under orders from his employers to stay schtum...

Just read it Eugene.

Does make Jamie's behaviour seem very suspicious!

I just can't see Heaven making up something like that...... she never struck me as malicious..... whereas I can believe that Jay might do something like that...... and think it was funny.... given they way he talks and carries on.......

I may regret asking but what is fisting? 

Eugene, thanks for all this info.

Whilst I know Heaven was a bit of a fruitloop and not exactly bang on with the facts many times, I don't think she'd LIE.  As it is, if she is WRONG then why don't they bring it out into the open and say so?

Hushing it up smacks of trying to pretend it didn't happen when in fact it did.

Please don't make me be the one to tell you!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisting

i wish i'd never asked now  this is daughters laptop i need too clear the history quick 

I was going to suggest that this entire thread be marked "NSFW", but in the end I felt the title might be a clue...

Oh God, I never thought of that..!  Really sorry, Aimee but I just couldn't face typing it up to explain.

That's pretty-much how I'm seeing it at the moment.

I could well believe that Heaven saw or heard something, and got the wrong end of the stick. There has been a lot of discussion on DS as to how this might have happened, and it's essentially what I believe lies behind some of the bizarre things she came out with in the house (e.g. melanin-powered spaceships).

However: if that really was what happened in this case, why doesn't BB just say so? Why did they remove her comments from the BotS repeat?  Why is Jamie (and everyone-else involved in BB) refusing to discuss it?

don't be daft, she probably knows what it means  i'm getting too old and out of the loop 

I could well believe that Heaven saw or heard something, and got the wrong end of the stick

Exactly.  It's crossed my mind too and there is always that possibility but......

However: if that really was what happened in this case, why doesn't BB just say so? Why did they remove her comments from the BotS repeat?  Why is Jamie (and everyone-else involved in BB) refusing to discuss it?

This is where Heaven's claims gain much weight.

I even thought of a double bluff on Ch 5's part - but I don't believe that it is.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories but this just smacks of a hush-up to me.

Oh yeah!   (To the first bit - I'm not agreeing that you're too old!)

Well, the expression was very famous for a spell 18 years ago:

I have no idea if he did or not, but there's a bit about it on http://www.dailymotion.com/vid...e-freezer_shortfilms

Website's appropriately named!