I expect there will be a spanner thrown in the works at some point between now and then..

agree with you!!

Oh without a doubt. Also, if Bea thinks she has been 100% accepted by Cruel and the Gang (sorry but I love that title ), then she needs to watch her back.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Oh without a doubt. Also, if Bea thinks she has been 100% accepted by Cruel and the Gang (sorry but I love that title ), then she needs to watch her back.

but she will deserve it imo

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Originally posted by mandala:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Oh without a doubt. Also, if Bea thinks she has been 100% accepted by Cruel and the Gang (sorry but I love that title ), then she needs to watch her back.

but she will deserve it imo

What do you mean?

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by mandala:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Oh without a doubt. Also, if Bea thinks she has been 100% accepted by Cruel and the Gang (sorry but I love that title ), then she needs to watch her back.

but she will deserve it imo

What do you mean?

the back stabbing back to her

Freddie Bea and Marcus targeted David from day one .. swings and roundabouts.

They brought it on themselves, they knew fully well that stupid rebellion would get them nominated

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
Freddie Bea and Marcus targeted David from day one .. swings and roundabouts.

That's because they were cocksure Lisa was toast... Lisa never went and she is stronger than ever, Bea jumped ship to save her butt ... Lisa doesnt trust Bea...

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Originally posted by squiggle:
If anybody thinks that Lisa and Co won't go straight for Siavash next then I think you're wrong. He will be the next target.

Absolutely Squiggle.

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
Freddie Bea and Marcus targeted David from day one .. swings and roundabouts.

I don't think Freddy targeted David at all. Bea was the one who started it and is now bezzie mates with David.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
Freddie Bea and Marcus targeted David from day one .. swings and roundabouts.

I don't think Freddy targeted David at all. Bea was the one who started it and is now bezzie mates with David.

Last week the arguement with David .. blaming him for taking food without proof .. etc ,yes and Bea but she cannot be blamed for everything he has done.

Bea will do to everyone what she done to david and freddie no one is safe from Bea.
sophie and Rod will get a taste of what shes like.
rod dont trust her and she will suss that out.

I agree Justafriend Bea is ruthless she will pick all of them off one by one.

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
Freddie Bea and Marcus targeted David from day one .. swings and roundabouts.

And Lisa and her gang targetted Freddie from day one, which is way back further than the day one you refer to.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
Freddie Bea and Marcus targeted David from day one .. swings and roundabouts.

And Lisa and her gang targetted Freddie from day one, which is way back further than the day one you refer to.

I know they did squiggle but Freddie went down the same road makes him no better .

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Originally posted by Marguerita:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
Freddie Bea and Marcus targeted David from day one .. swings and roundabouts.

And Lisa and her gang targetted Freddie from day one, which is way back further than the day one you refer to.

I know they did squiggle but Freddie went down the same road makes him no better .

We will have to differ on our interpretation of that one Marge

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Marguerita:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
Freddie Bea and Marcus targeted David from day one .. swings and roundabouts.

And Lisa and her gang targetted Freddie from day one, which is way back further than the day one you refer to.

I know they did squiggle but Freddie went down the same road makes him no better .

We will have to differ on our interpretation of that one Marge

Should have got rid of one of Team Lisa when we had the chance..

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Originally posted by squiggle:
If anybody thinks that Lisa and Co won't go straight for Siavash next then I think you're wrong. He will be the next target.

I think you are probably right Squiggle.... but I think he could probably survive eviction against most of them left in the house.

Freddie played the victim as he cottoned on it kept him for 5 evictions, Bea showed us the real Freddie, he is certainly no victim, I am finding him at the moment rather unpleasant

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Originally posted by Skylark24:
Freddie played the victim as he cottoned on it kept him for 5 evictions, Bea showed us the real Freddie, he is certainly no victim, I am finding him at the moment rather unpleasant

I have to agree Skylark.... but I think Bea was just the icing on the cake. As several other people have said, the rot set in when Freddy started to get smug about not being evicted... and we began to see a whole other side of him... IMO.

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Originally posted by Skylark24:
Freddie played the victim as he cottoned on it kept him for 5 evictions, Bea showed us the real Freddie, he is certainly no victim, I am finding him at the moment rather unpleasant

You are entitled to your opinion Skylark24. I too have seen the real Freddie and he is the most supportive, gentlest person in there. A little naive certainly and makes mistakes (don't we all) but if I had to pick anyone in there to be a friend of mine I would pick Freddie and count myself lucky to have a friend like that. He was supportive of Siavash, Marcus and in fact most of them from time to time but people have short memories and would sooner heap all the blame at his doorstep than remember the shortcomings of their particular chosen favourite. He even supported Lisa (who openly hated him from the moment she saw him and did her level best to kick him out) during the eating of the horrible food task but funnily enough not one person on this forum other than me seems to have mentioned that.

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Originally posted by squiggle:
If anybody thinks that Lisa and Co won't go straight for Siavash next then I think you're wrong. He will be the next target.

Yep.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Skylark24:
Freddie played the victim as he cottoned on it kept him for 5 evictions, Bea showed us the real Freddie, he is certainly no victim, I am finding him at the moment rather unpleasant

You are entitled to your opinion Skylark24. I too have seen the real Freddie and he is the most supportive, gentlest person in there. A little naive certainly and makes mistakes (don't we all) but if I had to pick anyone in there to be a friend of mine I would pick Freddie and count myself lucky to have a friend like that. He was supportive of Siavash, Marcus and in fact most of them from time to time but people have short memories and would sooner heap all the blame at his doorstep than remember the shortcomings of their particular chosen favourite. He even supported Lisa (who openly hated him from the moment she saw him and did her level best to kick him out) during the eating of the horrible food task but funnily enough not one person on this forum other than me seems to have mentioned that.

And then he did his level best, with his pals to be punished and losing the food they tried so hard to get, and wasnt even sorry that he helped lose the luxury food. Maybe staying away from Marcus would bring the nicer Freddie back

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Originally posted by Skylark24:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Skylark24:
Freddie played the victim as he cottoned on it kept him for 5 evictions, Bea showed us the real Freddie, he is certainly no victim, I am finding him at the moment rather unpleasant

You are entitled to your opinion Skylark24. I too have seen the real Freddie and he is the most supportive, gentlest person in there. A little naive certainly and makes mistakes (don't we all) but if I had to pick anyone in there to be a friend of mine I would pick Freddie and count myself lucky to have a friend like that. He was supportive of Siavash, Marcus and in fact most of them from time to time but people have short memories and would sooner heap all the blame at his doorstep than remember the shortcomings of their particular chosen favourite. He even supported Lisa (who openly hated him from the moment she saw him and did her level best to kick him out) during the eating of the horrible food task but funnily enough not one person on this forum other than me seems to have mentioned that.

And then he did his level best, with his pals to be punished and losing the food they tried so hard to get, and wasnt even sorry that he helped lose the luxury food. Maybe staying away from Marcus would bring the nicer Freddie back

So would you prefer that they all 'respect the house' like Rodrigo? Or sit and smoke all the time (in between the very infrequent) tasks? It is supposed to be the BB house and high jinks are expected.

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Originally posted by tupps:
Should have got rid of one of Team Lisa when we had the chance..

Ain't THAT the truth

Plus it would have stopped Bea from conveniently shifting her allegiances in such a brutal way. She has been an absolute Grade A fecker from hell in the way she handled that Doing things quietly and subtly is not in the Bea instruction manual.

Unless some MAJOR twists are planned, this is heading for the worst final line-up in BB history............

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Skylark24:
Freddie played the victim as he cottoned on it kept him for 5 evictions, Bea showed us the real Freddie, he is certainly no victim, I am finding him at the moment rather unpleasant

You are entitled to your opinion Skylark24. I too have seen the real Freddie and he is the most supportive, gentlest person in there. A little naive certainly and makes mistakes (don't we all) but if I had to pick anyone in there to be a friend of mine I would pick Freddie and count myself lucky to have a friend like that. He was supportive of Siavash, Marcus and in fact most of them from time to time but people have short memories and would sooner heap all the blame at his doorstep than remember the shortcomings of their particular chosen favourite. He even supported Lisa (who openly hated him from the moment she saw him and did her level best to kick him out) during the eating of the horrible food task but funnily enough not one person on this forum other than me seems to have mentioned that.

His actions, his mind, his fallout.. .

I am wondering how people can support a HM so vociferously, in a lot of cases extremely blind to some of his faults and blame the latest turn of events not on said HM but on another HM influencing said HM..

I seem to recall that Freddie decided to go on the attack and expose the people he saw as wolves ansd sheep and all other animals in there a LONG time ago.. (with Marcus as his sidekick)... by exposing them he then puts them up for scrutiny by the other HM's. . for scrutiny read potenial nominees.. ie he plotted and schemed to get his enemies up and as we saw revelled in glee when the final one, Lisa, went up last week..

ie THAT was HIS game plan.. no harm in a game plan in a game..

What I am fed up of tho is of him being sold to us by some supporters as some poor social dimwit who can't make a decision if his lower brain is doing the making .. and tis almost an 'awwww pity him the poor guy' call to arms..

He's a twonk.. they are all twonks in there, they are on the chaviest gamesshow in the land fgs.. . .

Freddie has no more a moral high ground to sit on than any of them in there..

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Skylark24:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Skylark24:
Freddie played the victim as he cottoned on it kept him for 5 evictions, Bea showed us the real Freddie, he is certainly no victim, I am finding him at the moment rather unpleasant

You are entitled to your opinion Skylark24. I too have seen the real Freddie and he is the most supportive, gentlest person in there. A little naive certainly and makes mistakes (don't we all) but if I had to pick anyone in there to be a friend of mine I would pick Freddie and count myself lucky to have a friend like that. He was supportive of Siavash, Marcus and in fact most of them from time to time but people have short memories and would sooner heap all the blame at his doorstep than remember the shortcomings of their particular chosen favourite. He even supported Lisa (who openly hated him from the moment she saw him and did her level best to kick him out) during the eating of the horrible food task but funnily enough not one person on this forum other than me seems to have mentioned that.

And then he did his level best, with his pals to be punished and losing the food they tried so hard to get, and wasnt even sorry that he helped lose the luxury food. Maybe staying away from Marcus would bring the nicer Freddie back

So would you prefer that they all 'respect the house' like Rodrigo? Or sit and smoke all the time (in between the very infrequent) tasks? It is supposed to be the BB house and high jinks are expected.

no of course not, i wish there was more fun in the house, there is far too much over analizing going on with them all

.[/QUOTE]His actions, his mind, his fallout.. .

I am wondering how people can support a HM so vociferously, in a lot of cases extremely blind to some of his faults and blame the latest turn of events not on said HM but on another HM influencing said HM..

I seem to recall that Freddie decided to go on the attack and expose the people he saw as wolves ansd sheep and all other animals in there a LONG time ago.. (with Marcus as his sidekick)... by exposing them he then puts them up for scrutiny by the other HM's. . for scrutiny read potenial nominees.. ie he plotted and schemed to get his enemies up and as we saw revelled in glee when the final one, Lisa, went up last week..

ie THAT was HIS game plan.. no harm in a game plan in a game..

What I am fed up of tho is of him being sold to us by some supporters as some poor social dimwit who can't make a decision if his lower brain is doing the making .. and tis almost an awwww pity him the poor guy call to arms..

He's a twonk.. they are all twonks in there, they are on the chaviest gamesshow in the land fgs.. . .

Freddie has no more a moral high ground to sit on than any of them in there.. [/QUOTE]

Well said... I totally agree

So are you saying Mount Olympus that it is worse for someone like Freddie to think out loud how he sees the people in the house, wolves, sheep, and inviduals than for people like Lisa to keep her counsel and in an underhand manner get her 'group' to block vote someone out? They did vote the same week after week after week. At least Freddie spoke his thoughts out loud and I do not accept that it was his game plan.

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Originally posted by Skylark24:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Skylark24:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Skylark24:
Freddie played the victim as he cottoned on it kept him for 5 evictions, Bea showed us the real Freddie, he is certainly no victim, I am finding him at the moment rather unpleasant

You are entitled to your opinion Skylark24. I too have seen the real Freddie and he is the most supportive, gentlest person in there. A little naive certainly and makes mistakes (don't we all) but if I had to pick anyone in there to be a friend of mine I would pick Freddie and count myself lucky to have a friend like that. He was supportive of Siavash, Marcus and in fact most of them from time to time but people have short memories and would sooner heap all the blame at his doorstep than remember the shortcomings of their particular chosen favourite. He even supported Lisa (who openly hated him from the moment she saw him and did her level best to kick him out) during the eating of the horrible food task but funnily enough not one person on this forum other than me seems to have mentioned that.

And then he did his level best, with his pals to be punished and losing the food they tried so hard to get, and wasnt even sorry that he helped lose the luxury food. Maybe staying away from Marcus would bring the nicer Freddie back

So would you prefer that they all 'respect the house' like Rodrigo? Or sit and smoke all the time (in between the very infrequent) tasks? It is supposed to be the BB house and high jinks are expected.

no of course not, i wish there was more fun in the house, there is far too much over analizing going on with them all

Well if you vote out the Three Musketeers you are going to end up with precious little fun in the house apart from Charlie and Rodrigo's infantile pranks.

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Originally posted by squiggle:
So are you saying Mount Olympus that it is worse for someone like Freddie to think out loud how he sees the people in the house, wolves, sheep, and inviduals than for people like Lisa to keep her counsel and in an underhand manner get her 'group' to block vote someone out? They did vote the same week after week after week. At least Freddie spoke his thoughts out loud and I do not accept that it was his game plan.

No what I AM saying is he has HIS game plan. . others have THEIRS..

it's a game... simples

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by squiggle:
So are you saying Mount Olympus that it is worse for someone like Freddie to think out loud how he sees the people in the house, wolves, sheep, and inviduals than for people like Lisa to keep her counsel and in an underhand manner get her 'group' to block vote someone out? They did vote the same week after week after week. At least Freddie spoke his thoughts out loud and I do not accept that it was his game plan.

No what I AM saying is he has HIS game plan. . others have THEIRS..

it's a game... simples

Your opinion, with which I disagree. No-one,for all their going on about Freddie's game plan, has ever been able to show what Freddie's game plan IS. Lisa's was quite obvious, get everyone except her gang out first and then (reluctantly) start on her own people. Charlie is aiming to be a lovable Geordie lad, Bea is to target absolutely everyone. What exactly is Freddie's game plan supposed to be ?

Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.

I shoudl add that Freddie being the 'intellectual' he is, he should also by default then know that by voicing his opinions out loud about HM's to an audience could potentially influence said audience..

Him and his cronies sitting at the soft seats in the lving area talking about the others is no different to the others sitting at the bus stop voicing their opinions of a HM and potentially influencung whomeever is around to hear.

the Only difference is the level of verbal intelligence used in both groups voicing said opinions. .the outcome is still the same. .they are all bitching about each other

Freddie is not as clever as he thinks he is, Bea was right, he accuses others of doing the very same thing as he was doing all along ..

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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.

His game plan is to suss out all the other game plans and get rid of all with a game plan.. whilst denying he has a game plan at all

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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.

And what do you think Freddie's gameplan is?

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Originally posted by Mount Olympus:

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Originally posted by tupps:
Ohhh Freddie so has a gameplan. He's bliddy obsessed with 'gameplans'.

His game plan is to suss out all the other game plans and get rid of all with a game plan.. whilst denying he has a game plan at all

Exactly..... *I think*